Osama Bin Laden and Zbigniew Brzezinski

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    President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski visiting 'his boy', Osama Bin Laden, in training with the Pakistan Army, 1981.Photo originally scanned from the New York Village Voice. Photo credited to the Sygma/Corbis Agency, Paris.

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    1. David Ian Wilson 94 months ago | reply

      DeLares Said:
      "It's very unlikely that bin-Laden would wear a Pakistani army uniform"

      er...why? It's called 'hiding in plain sight'. If he was doing a spot of basic military training before heading into Afghanistan, the uniform would be the best way to prevent him standing out like a sore thumb and getting noticed

      "There is no evidence whatsoever that the stout Afghan-looking man is the gaunt, lanky Bin Laden."

      Stout? ha.. if that guy's 'stout' then I'm a sumo wrestler...

      "and would tower at 6 foot 6 inches over Brzensnski."

      Its a low angle, wide angle shot (the camera is down at crotch level) and Brzensnski is closest to the camera - of course Bin Laden isnt going to 'tower' over Brzensnski in a shot set up like that. But from the angle of Bin Ladens head it does look to me like he's looking down at Brzensnski not the other way around.

    2. DeLares (Eliud Martinez) 94 months ago | reply

      David...it's not what I'm saying, it's what WIKPEDIA is saying......and by the way, ask yourself: who writes school history textbooks, who writes entries into WIKPEDIA .......How much of what we "read" is factually "correct".....not just politically "correct"?

      I'm a believer that dis-information, propaganda and the so-called mass media are propagators of "information-sickness". This is a malady easily recognized by its many symptoms: ignorance, polarization, cynicism, hopelessnes, apathy, hate, fear, fundamentalism....not to mention chaos, confusion and inscrutability.

      I try to remember that: the "truth" is often a "story" about what is supposedly happening.....not nessesarily the ultimate reality of what is actually going on. The masters of propaganda are playing all of us like violins..............

      Yes, these virtuosos are "hidden in plain sight" Shame on us, ...why? Because in order for the "big lies" or a "cons" to work, it requires that we collude by allowing the pupeteers to tap into our unexamined reservoirs of "larceny". What do I mean by that, you ask? By "larceny" I mean that we hold on to the magical belief that there isa "free lunch" out there. Let's face it, our "personal freedom of choice" in the grand scheme of things means that our excessive and disproportionate use of the world's limited resources has a price. A price that cannot be endlessly subsidized on the backs of poor countries who are being ripped off by American multinationals. In the end, if it's not about Bin Laden, it'll be about some other "freedom fighter" some will call a "terrorist"

      Another example, we are sold on is the idea by some campaigning politicians that we should not be required to pay high taxes (another "free lunch"), while the petroleum giants are also not being required to pay the American public their fair of royalties (another "free lunch") for pumping American oil that belongs to all of us......"the people"....so guess who's really paying? Not the corporations and protected trust funds....not to the outsourced and off-shore accounts. Whom then?....THE PEOPLE (us chickens) that's who!!!

      If you follow my drift, it's not about how tall Bin Laden really is or what uniform he wore.......in America, it's not even about the distractions of same sex marriage or flag burning ammendments to the constitution........

      We need to work for world peace and interdependence without lying to ourselves about the effort and costs involved. Namaste, Eliud

    3. DeLares (Eliud Martinez) 94 months ago | reply

      Hey there David, you've been bloged: synap-tic-burps.blogspot.com/

    4. Jer*ry 93 months ago | reply

      We may never know what we're really seeing here. Still, it would provide a good topic for questioning ZB. He still shows up quite regularly on the interview circuit, including a good point/counterpoint matchup the other day on "All Things Considered."

    5. Armughan- 92 months ago | reply

      Guys, that person's wearing a "paratrooper" badge -- nowhere as it been documented that OBL can do that. In 1981 he was still a spoilt wealthy arab shiekh....not every lanky bloke with a beard from that part of the world is OBL!

    6. WMDs aka DanishKhan 90 months ago | reply

      you guys seriously belive this is Bin Laden. wow.

    7. buzzzgordon 81 months ago | reply

      That Arab dude doesnt look like OBL to me. OBL is left handed too, that guy is holding the rifle like a right hander

    8. Bbbbeee [deleted] 77 months ago | reply

      Wow, have you ever heard of photo comparison. Find a real pic of bin Laden and compare to this Pakistani. First of all there are physical differences between men from Indian/Pakistanian descent...and Arabs such as bin Laden. Take a closer look and you'll find that is not bin Laden.

    9. citron_smurf 65 months ago | reply

      That looks nothing like him...

      .. probably propogated by the same people who tried to convince america that the president of Iran was in the pc of the 1979 hostage takers (cough cough foxnews bullshit cough cough)

    10. papis1 64 months ago | reply

      no it's not him

    11. E. A. Smith 61 months ago | reply

      Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Historical Moments, and we'd love to have this added to the group!

    12. MaSteRKuSH010 49 months ago | reply

      I love all the professional "opinions" here .. LOL !!

      It is a photo of NWO Zbigniew Brzezinski and Osama Bin Laden...
      There is another photo from the same event....
      Get over yourselves.... War is peace remember!

      I trust Brzezinski yea!! Try reading his own book: The Grand Chessboard.... Self confessed NWO scum.

      That's right ... you shall always be self appointed guardians of the status quo!?! Brzezinski is trust worthy i must have just forgot.....?

    13. imran.akram 48 months ago | reply

      The guy with Brzezinski is wearing a Pakistani uniform - probably a Frontier Corps (FC) officer - FC are the paramilitary forces on the Afghan frontier and are led by Army officers. He is wearing a Pakistan Army parachute qualification wing - I know it because my father served in FC in the mid 80s and he had a parachute wing too. Certainly not Mr. OBL!

    14. Lari1997 45 months ago | reply

      President Carter rejected Osama Bin Laden as the United States operative in Afghanistan, preferring Massoud. (A native Afghani, murdered by Osama Bin Laden on Sept 10, 2001)
      It was President Reagan who changed that decision, and provided funds, and arms to Osama Bin Laden, and the Taliban to oppose the Soviet Invasion.

    15. Tjeerd Paul Jacobs 44 months ago | reply

      Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

      But please give up all your freedom, or else the terrorists win...

    16. Tjeerd Paul Jacobs 40 months ago | reply

      'Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word Al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.'


    17. ladycoop 36 months ago | reply

      NOT Osama bin Laden, the guy is too short and his beard isn't the same as bin Laden's. And here's a link to a photo in the series:
      "Zbigniew Brzezinksi Inspecting Gun"
      Original caption: Kyber Pass, Pakistan: United States Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski looks into Afghanistan through the sights of a machine gun at a Pakistan Army outpost here on the border 2/3. Brzezinski toured the area and then continued talks with the Pakistan delegation in regards to an aid package.
      © Bettmann/CORBIS
      February 03, 1980
      Kyber, Pass, Pakistan

    18. beguiled99 32 months ago | reply

      lol@left handed holding a right handed gun, ever get hit in the face with an ejecting cartridge? Obviously once too often!

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