Does Flickr Censor User Content Over Blatantly Fake DMCA Notices?


Update: When adding an extra letter to last name that Alkhateeb had provided me, I was able to pull up what appears to be another artist who would appear to be claiming the Joker/Obama image as his own creation. The details are still fuzzy and am just basing this update on some Google searches that I've found with the new name. I have contacted this artist and am trying to determine if he in fact is the person who filed a DMCA takedown notice with Flickr over this image and if he is claiming the Obama/Joker creation as his own in contrast to previous reports from Alkhateeb and the Los Angeles Times that Alkhateeb is the image's creator. I've also contacted Alkhateeb to discuss the claims of this individual. I will report back when I learn more.


For the past week or so I've been reporting on the Flickr Censorship case involving Firas Alkhateeb and his popular Joker/Obama Time Magazine cover. You'll recall that Alkhateeb had posted his image to his Flickr account, garnered over 20,000 views, along with many comments on the image, saw the image subsequently used with the word "socialism" printed underneath it in Los Angeles and various other cities as street art... and then Flickr nuked his image and all the comments that went along with it.


Many bloggers and news outlets accused Flickr of censorship and political bias in the removal of what was seen by many as a clear fair use parody image critical of the President. The case made the national press and with an EFF attorney adding that Alkhateeb indeed had a very strong fair use defense. After a substantial amount of critical press over the image, Flickr Community Manager Heather Champ finally came out defending Flickr over the issue saying that Alkhateeb's image had been removed from Flickr due to a "a complete Notice of Infringement as outlined by the DMCA (Digitial Millenium Copyright Act)" In the same breath Champ accused the press and blogosphere of being "makey uppey." Shortly afterwards, the thread where Flickr users were complaining about this image deletion was shut down by Flickr staff.


Later that day in reporting on the issue The Los Angeles Times asked Champ who had issued the DMCA takedown request and Champ replied that Flickr was not able to give that information out. "I don't know how this crazy game of telephone got started," Champ wrote. "I'm not sure how complying with the law has led to the idea that we (the Flickr team) have a particular political agenda."


Yesterday I reported on PDN's efforts to get to the bottom of this takedown request. PDN contacted the logical parties who might have objected to this image. Time Magazine (whose logo was incorporated in the image), DC Comics (who would own the rights to the famous Joker image used on the Obama photo) and Platon (the photographer who had taken the original image used by Time). All three parties denied having filed a DMCA takedown notice with Flickr, which lead people to wonder all the more just who the hell *did* file the takedown notice.


While Alkhateeb originally stated that flickr had not told him who filed the request, after looking more closely at the email sent by Flickr he realized that they did in fact list the name of the person who had filed it. At first the way that it was presented was confusing to Alkhateeb and he thought the name that they gave him was a Yahoo representative's name and not the person filing the report.


So who filed the report?


Well because Alkhateeb is currently working with lawyers on the case he asked me not to publish the name flickr provided him, but Alkhateeb has shared the name with me and after having seen the name, what I can say is that it wasn't Time, DC Comics or Platon, or any other party with any possible plausible IP interest in this image. In fact, the name that was given is very likely a totally bogus made up name entirely. A google search for the odd name turns up zero results and even a google search for the last name alone turns up zero results for that surname. It's like someone just typed random characters on a keyboard to make up the name used in the DMCA takedown notice.


The fact that the name filing the DMCA takedown notice would appear to be totally fake leaves one to wonder. Does Flickr just blindly pull down any content when any DMCA request is presented? If so that's not very reassuring. If, for instance, "Donald Duck" or "Bob Xjibtstruytubopluy" claimed copyright over images in President Obama's stream, would they simply remove these images as well? Somehow I doubt they would. Or was Flickr staff aware that the takedown request was bogus and instead decided to use it as cover to remove an image that offended their own clear personal and political sensibilities? A few months earlier Flickr nuked an entire account of a user who wrote critical remarks on President Obama's photostream.


Whatever the case, I do think it is disingenuous at best for flickr to try and hide behind a clearly bogus DMCA notice when dealing with criticism over their decision to remove this image. Many people last week were led to believe by statements by Champ in Flickr's Help Forum and in the press that Time or DC or the photographer had complained to flickr about the image and Flickr never bothered to clarify about the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the stated notice.


Transparency, fairness and a willingness to communicate openly with your community ought to be the hallmark traits of a site that is dependent upon their users for their content. By hiding the illegitimacy of this complaint, Flickr has shown themselves yet again trying to sweep their actions under the rug dismissing negative criticism with half truths. It is ironic that they would accuse the press and blogosphere of being "makey uppey" while in the same breath hiding behind a clearly bogus DMCA request on their own.


So what should Flickr do at this point?


Well, given that the DMCA takedown notice was bogus (and even had it been by an actual interested party Alkhateeb would have had a legitimate fair use to the image) they should apologize to Alkhateeb and restore his image and all of the comments that they nuked along with it.


Of course it is worth pointing out that even though former Flickr Founder and Flickr Chief Stewart Butterfield called it a "mistake" for Flickr not to have a mechanism to restore staff deleted content over two years ago that still today Flickr has not built (and is not working on) the ability to restore staff deleted content. So even if Flickr wanted to at this point they couldn't put Alkhateeb's image back. While Alkhateeb may be allowed to reupload the image in the future, his original image (along with all of the comments to the image and all of the links to his now dead deleted image) is pretty likely gone for good.


And that's too bad.

  • Pierre Honeyman 6y

    Yikes. It'll be interesting to see what the name is if it ever gets published.

    "I, Qwert Uiop, do solemnly swear..."

  • Blake Caldwell PRO 6y

    Pretty funny that Flickr took down a parody photo because of a parody complaint.
  • Bobby Boullianne 6y

    Posting these two (1 & 2) Google searches for comparison = pure genius. Very telling.
  • Bobby Boullianne 6y

    I wonder if Qwert Uiop is equally offended (and filling out some NOIs) for these parody images.

    The Republican Party Seal by Dave Ward Photography

    Little Bushie Nutty Bars by ⓅⒶⓎⓅⒶⓊⓁ

    Stephen King Novel by AZRainman

    Cast Away by Aliwood Studios

    Blowback on Brokeback Mountain
    Greenspan Oil War by AZRainman

    The Flickr A-Team (not used with permission) should look into it.
  • Alfonso Pompo Bresciani PRO 6y

    boscbo wow...
  • sir_watkyn PRO 6y

    Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Creative Imagery (Fave 1, Comment 1), and we'd love to have this added to the group!

    We need to get the word out on this.
  • sir_watkyn PRO 6y

    Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Flickr's Masterpieces (Post 1, Comment on 2), and we'd love to have this added to the group!
  • sir_watkyn PRO 6y

    Hi, I'm an admin for a group called ART OR SOMETHING NEW (post 1/Comnt 2), and we'd love to have this added to the group!
  • Kimberly McKinnis PRO 6y

    This is really disappointing. I've been a Flickr user for a long time, well before Y! purchased them, and it's gone downhill due to the heavy handed administration on some things, and total lack of administration on others. We pay for premium access, which I can appreciate going to hosting and bandwidth, etc, but come on... if they're short handed, then raise the price, but don't cut corners by wiping accounts every time there's a minor question.
  • John Rav 6y

    news flash, bloggers keep other bloggers busy circle jerking google ads, for profit... story about a story with a link to another story which confirms the story and shows how important the story is. not.

    Thomas, I understand you are trying to fight 'teh honorable fight' vs. censorship. Problem is, Flickr can do and will do whatever they want under the context that they are a PRIVATE company. Right or wrong, they are not held to any other standard. I am sure they have told you this numerous times, and am frankly quite surprised they continue to entertain your posts, although I can that the possible threat of your 'rath' see why they do.

    On a lighter note, no matter what anyone posts about BO, does-not-matter, he's srs bsns and is good-at-interwebs!
  • Thomas Hawk PRO 6y

    Thomas, I understand you are trying to fight 'teh honorable fight' vs. censorship. Problem is, Flickr can do and will do whatever they want under the context that they are a PRIVATE company. Right or wrong, they are not held to any other standard. I am sure they have told you this numerous times, and am frankly quite surprised they continue to entertain your posts, although I can that the possible threat of your 'rath' see why they do.

    Where did I ever say that Flickr cannot do whatever they want as a private company?
  • Blake Caldwell PRO 6y

    boscbo's google searches are interesting... Let's just say for sake of argument that everyone at flickr hated bush and likes obama. I don't see that as unrealistic given my assumed demographic of people working at a web company.

    Are we saying they should have publicly bashed Bush in their blog? Or just not mention Obama?
  • Pierre Honeyman 6y

    I wonder about the propriety of fawning over a politician of any stripe on the main "Gee whiz this is neat" vehicle for a media site. It's kind of like enlisting all Flickr users in some kind of pro-Obama Flickr PAC.

  • Alfonso Pompo Bresciani PRO 6y

    Thomas Hawk

    Thomas never did say they shouldn't be allowed to, they are private and I agree, they can do whatever they want, but they should have the balls to say what they are doing instead of hiding behind bogus DMCAs excuses...Of course if they did that they will lose a lot of revenues so they're trying to have both the wife drunk and the bottle full so to speak.
  • Thomas Hawk PRO 6y


    socialism is the new communist threat.

    i guess you could say its flickr's party and theyll censor if they want to.

    So instead it's The Flickr Party?
    Flickr needs a remote control perhaps.

    I'm an equal opportunity parodist.
    Browse through them all.

    Parody is protected by the first amendment but there's way too much of TIME magazine here possibly for the lawyers at that publication to ignore.
  • Bobby Boullianne 6y

    Blake Caldwell Just to clarify: I didn't do those Google searches. TH (and possibly Andertho? I saw the same links in Andertho's post in a Flickr Help forum) did. TH has them listed in his blog up above. I was merely saying that posting those in his blog was a good idea. So I guess what I'm saying is: I'm not that clever. Dang!
  • opacity PRO 6y

    I'll be curious about how the "other artist" thing pans out.

    (and, as usual, agree that the image should be restored, especially if the takedown was bogus.)
  • rose_peacock PRO 6y

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