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    1. califdweller [deleted] 87 months ago | reply

      Excellent : Gets straight to the point and is non-confusing....

    2. www.williamhackerphoto.com [deleted] 74 months ago | reply

      are all you women and liberals trying to make yourself as idiotic and ignorant as possible??!!?! at least have some class

    3. stepherw 74 months ago | reply

      "all you women?"

      WTF.

    4. www.williamhackerphoto.com [deleted] 74 months ago | reply

      I appologize for the comment all women, i should have stated all pro-choice individuals

    5. www.williamhackerphoto.com [deleted] 74 months ago | reply

      apologize*

    6. monkeytime | brachiator 74 months ago | reply

      William Hacker, as a "pro-choice individual" I feel confident in replying for myself and many other "pro-choice individuals" that the answer to your question is "No." I also feel confident in replying for at least some "pro-choice aggregate" that approval of and delight in this button in no way diminishes our "class."

      Please explain yourself, if you wish to be taken seriously.

    7. www.williamhackerphoto.com [deleted] 74 months ago | reply

      All im saying is if you choose to be pro-choice then that is your decision. But to flaunt in such a manner as "fucking pro choice" is absolutely ridiculous and it completely diminishes any respectable qualities of pro-choice individuals. IF you cannot see that then there is something seriously wrong with your life and i suggest you do something about it. It is saying "i fucking love killing babies". how immature and pathetic can one be?

    8. monkeytime | brachiator 73 months ago | reply

      "Flaunt"? You make it sound like there's something shameful in being pro-choice. There is not. Neither is there anything shameful about having an abortion, for that matter. To the contrary, having, taking and exercising control over one's own body and reproductive system should be a point of pride – especially when so many other people are trying to seize control of them.

      What are the "respectable qualities of pro-choice individuals," as you see them? It certainly sounds like you don't think we have any. Let's not pretend that you have any regard for us if you really don't.

      Assuming that you do think we have any "respectable qualities," how does expressing the strength of our conviction that each woman should herself have control of her uterus diminish those qualities? I don't see at all that it is "ridiculous" – either absolutely or partially. You really need to explain how expressing the position emphatically is "ridiculous" – or not... But it just won't do to drop these vague insults and wriggle out without explaining by further insulting us that there's "something seriously wrong with your life" if we don't agree with you.

      Saying "Pro-Fucking-Choice" is absolutely not saying "I fucking love killing babies." In fact, it's not even saying "I fucking love killing fetuses," "I fucking love killing zygotes," "I fucking love killing embryoes" or "I fucking love killing blastocysts." I expect that you have some theological basis for believing that even a fertilized egg is worthy of not only full human rights but greater human rights than the woman in which it dwells. Nevertheless, that's entirely beside the point.

      The point is that you seem to be so insecure in your beliefs and their strength that you falsely equate an interest in personal control of one's body with a "love" for "killing" anyone. This is obvious nonsense. It is no more valid than saying that policemen in general "love" killing "people" because in the course of their duties protecting the community they occasionally (or frequently) have to shoot suspects. This sort of hyperbole makes it appear that you have no regard for the truth of people's lives and that you are interested only in manipulating them and controlling them (and their uteruses).

      In fact, you prove the point being made by the button. Here you come into the thread virtually commanding women to be quiet and demure about their personal and political positions – about their own bodies! Even if you don't support stripping women of their rights to bodily autonomy, you exemplify the problem: that women have to submit to your will or, if they dare disobey, at least carry on their lives in scorn and shame and silence.

      No. Absolutely not. We tried that for thousands of years and the result was an enormous pile of enslaved, mutilated, broken and dead women – real live women, full human beings, not just fetuses or fertilized eggs. That's the reason for expressing the position more strongly than you are comfortable with. Go back to those dark ages? On your say so? No. Pro-fucking-choice.

    9. www.williamhackerphoto.com [deleted] 73 months ago | reply

      I love how you all write these page long comments and still basically get no valid arguments out of any of it. The only reason you write this much is because you dont have valid arguments or facts on the case. I want you to tell me the exact instant that a embryo becomes living? Do you really believe a mere human like yourself has the power to end life? Are you really that confident of your existence and self worth? Take a look at stories of your beloved women who had abortions and are now on brink of suicide and depression because of it. And you should be entirely shamed of yourself for being pro-choice. You are just a woman who is obviously ignorant and lacks morals and self worth. I pity you greatly but hope that one day you will understand. So go on and write another 500 word essay of nonsense that will make you feel better about yourself.

    10. monkeytime | brachiator 73 months ago | reply

      Quoth William Hacker:

      I want you to tell me the exact instant that a embryo becomes living?

      When an embryo becomes "living" is not at issue. The question is when it becomes a "human being" worthy of rights equal or superior to the woman who bears it.

      I am not certain about when the latter occurs, and neither are you. I do not have to answer it, however. You do, and you must offer compelling proof. After all, I am not the one attempting to take control of the body of a woman who is indisputably a full-blown human being. You are.

      Do you really believe a mere human like yourself has the power to end life?

      I don't understand the point of this question. Are you saying that I cannot end (a) life? Obviously, I can, as can any person. And, I thought the whole point of the forced-pregnancy movement was that abortion is "ending a life..." So, what are you getting at?

      And what do you mean by "mere human"? Are you some sort of super-human? Do you mean to contrast me to non-human animals? What are you on about here?

      Take a look at stories of your beloved women

      Well, there it is, isn't it? My "beloved" women? Such sarcasm and scorn! Usually I don't go so far as to think that forced-pregnancy types are specifically misogynist, but you certainly sound like you are.

      women who had abortions and are now on brink of suicide and depression because of it.

      Have you never heard of post-partum depression? Do you know what the mortality and suicide rate is arising from pregnancy and childbirth? It's astronomical. Pregnancy and childbirth are enormously dangerous and difficult (as the Christian myth of the Fall itself suggests). So the psychological risks of abortion are at most a wash compared to childbirth and pregnancy, and probably less significant, especially when you factor in the physical risks of the latter.

      And you should be entirely shamed of yourself for being pro-choice.

      And yet, I'm so, so not ashamed. I'm proud of being pro-choice.

      You are just a woman who is obviously ignorant and lacks morals and self worth.

      Uh... yeah. Well, I'm not a woman. I'm a man. (Read my profile, look at my stream, look at my selfies!)

      "Just a woman", though? What's that about? Again, your scorn seems to indicate some sort of negative attitude toward women. That hardly makes you the type of person I'd want controlling women's bodies, mate.

      Let's turn, then, to your quite ironic accusation of ignorance. Of what, specifically, am I ignorant? Developmental biology? Psychology? Ontology? Political philosophy? Moral philosophy? Theology? Please explain.

      I pity you greatly but hope that one day you will understand. So go on and write another 500 word essay of nonsense that will make you feel better about yourself.

      Well, I certainly will never understand if you don't respond to my points or questions.

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