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    Blue = *Friendly*, Green = *Host* Nation, Orange = Civilians, Grey = Enemies.
    First one is function of sum, second one is function of time, or how you can dilute the media impact of a massacre by killing a few people each day for 6 years. Just remember that host nation + civilian + enemies = mostly Iraqis.
    Used the cleaned dump from The Guardian.

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    1. tillyman10 42 months ago | reply

      The striking thing to me - how many "enemies" were killed in the first quarter of the graph compared to how many "enemies" have been killed since... the bottom 3/4 is almost all orange.

    2. Matthew Foldenauer 42 months ago | reply

      The striking thing to me is how this graph doesn't say what specific time period we're looking at, nor does it specify the cause of death. You know, darwin has probably killed far more iraqi civilians than any war in the history of their nation. Not exactly a country full of electrical and septic engineers, from what I saw. When Saddam was removed from power, they went around and stole all the copper wire out of every thing. I actually sat and watched a village take apart an entire factory brick by brick to sell as scrap. They ripped it apart down to the foundation. I think this is what a "jump to conclusions mat" would look like if it really existed.

    3. dan.eklund 42 months ago | reply

      The graph on the right needs to indicate which way time is moving. Is it from the top left to the right?

    4. ThisIsTimO 42 months ago | reply

      Would it be possible to look at similar data from another war -- say WWII? It'd be an interesting graphic to compare the results of "war" and "this war" to see if the trend is local or macro.

    5. JobyOne 42 months ago | reply

      You say "darwin," I say "poverty." Poverty imposed by US economic sanctions. I'm no Saddam apologist, but we've done AT LEAST as much damage to the Iraqi people as he ever did.

    6. jim.windle 42 months ago | reply

      I really like the graph on the right, what software did you use to make it.

    7. mihoda 42 months ago | reply

      You need a time direction for the graph on the right.

    8. melkaone 42 months ago | reply

      jim : done using processing
      mihoda : time is going from top/left to bottom/right

    9. thyve 42 months ago | reply

      Are there any adjustments regarding source of killings?

    10. zienth 42 months ago | reply

      But how many of those deaths are due to "friendly" forces, how many are due to insurgents, and how many are faction vs. faction? I suspect more Iraqis have been killed by Iraqis than by coalition forces. It would also be interesting to see what the graphic would look like if it included time before the invasion (not that there is accurate data for how many people Sadam was killing).

    11. postalswi 42 months ago | reply

      Looks like what Epidemiologists call a Lasagna Plot.

    12. nlnnet 42 months ago | reply

      I would be interested in knowing the sources of the data

    13. melkaone 42 months ago | reply

      ninnet : the data come from The Guardian
      everyone : i'm working only with the data I have, this means the SigActs released by wikileaks. if you want more infos on those datas, just check those links.

    14. huntster 42 months ago | reply

      I admit I'm not sure I understand the difference between "Host nation" and "Civilians". Is Host nation Iraqi soldiers?

      Very interesting graphic; the right-hand version is especially fascinating. I must say I agree with zeinth that those civilian deaths are in vast majority due to insurgent attacks and faction in-fighting. That's not to say the U.S. and Coalition hasn't been responsible for some terrible things, but I suspect this graph may not represent the truth of responsibility. That said, I know trying to break things down to such a level would require a whole separate graphic, but it may be something to consider.

    15. Kaid Presus 36 months ago | reply

      I'd recommend regraphing the time series as a Hilbert curve (or other space-filling curve)

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