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    He's 1 1/2 years old. Not a speck of tartar.
    It seriously makes me shake my head when I think that I brushed Judah's teeth. I think it's a necessity if you feed kibble ... but completely pointless if you raw feed whole prey items. I never feed anything ground up.
    It's stupid to think that dogs and wolves in the wild stop to brush their teeth twice a day and floss, too. WTF. Their teeth are their livelihood! They wouldn't be able to hunt, eat, or survive without their teeth.
    And don't tell me THOSE teeth right there were ever made to eat vegetables.

    kia's r kid, ad ease, radio sweetheart, and 3 other people added this photo to their favorites.

    1. illona ages ago | reply

      check it out. SIX YEARS OLD!!
      cats 099

      tooth brush? what tooth brush? ;)

    2. MarciaDogs ages ago | reply

      I have a question about the raw feeding: what about chicken bones? I've always heard that they are harmful to dog because they too thin and could puncture dog's stomach (?) or intestines. Do you give them normal chicken, I mean, the same ones we bought at the smkt for us? Do you give them a whole chicken?

    3. illona ages ago | reply

      chicken bones, turkey bones, rabbit bones, pig bones, lamb bones ... pigeon bones were matea's fare last night (or rather, the whole pigeon). you won't see a wolf spitting the bones out. :)

      i don't feed matea turkey or chicken simply because she has an intolerance to those proteins, but chicken is a staple in most raw feeders' diets. it's one of the cheapest sources and they're nice soft bones that are easily digested.

      the source of the fear-mongering that circles raw feeding, marcia, stems from COOKED bones. cooked chicken bones - or ANY cooked bones, including those nasty roasted or basted bones you buy at the pet store - are nasty and dangerous for your dog. (a) they're hard on their teeth, and (b) when consumed, they cannot be broken down by the dog's enzymes. once cooked, the chemical makeup of the bone is altered ... they are MUCH harder ... and the enzymes in the dog's digestive tract simply can't touch it. they aren't broken down and will tumble through your dog's digestive system all ragged and sharp. still, a lot of dogs have consumed a LOT of cooked bones and survived. it's the luck of the draw on cooked bones.

      but with raw bones, dogs - like wolves - possess the proper enzymes to actually break down, digest, and BENEFIT from the nutrients in these bones. bones are a very necessary component of their diet, their main source of calcium and phosphorous. when feeding a raw diet, it's important to have the proper ratio of bones to meat to organs.

      softer bones like chicken bones are easily digested. harder bones like the vertebrae of lambs take longer. i also feed small roaster pigs ... 10 weeks old, 35 lbs. they are so young that even the denser leg bones (which often are too dense for the stomach to break down) are easily digested by matea because the animal is so immature and the bone is still quite soft and undeveloped. if the pig was 6 months or older, matea could not digest the leg bones. ... but these are the things you learn as you go, and they are the kinds of aspects that are unique to each dog. morley is my iron gut and can pretty much digest anything.

      oh, and no, i don't feed "normal" chicken from the supermarket. i go to a farm that raises them free-range and chemical-free. :) only the best for my morley. i buy whole breasts, cut the breast meat off for us, do a delibeately lousy job so that he gets tons of meat on the bone. he also gets chicken necks. oh, and i do buy him whole cornish hens. he loves those. :) ...more his size.

    4. This Year's Love ages ago | reply

      Ditto what illona said.
      My dogs HAVE eaten cooked chicken bones because stupid me ate chicken wings, put the bones in the garbage and sure enough the dumbass Israel ate them all. Nothing bad happened--but I'm not doing it every day or risking it!

      My dad is always asking me "Can Kailo eat this? You're sure? It's not too sharp!?!?" and I just have to tell him to trust Kailo and whatever can't fit in that little jerk's mouth won't get eaten. He can eat a lot more variety than my dogs can simply because he won't gulp it down. The sharp bones on some pork cuts wouldn't even be an issue for him because his muzzle is so narrow. Meanwhile Israel can and has swallowed a pound's worth of chicken leg quarter WHOLE. He's a psycho.

    5. This Year's Love ages ago | reply

      illona oh, and more than likely the stupid vet at Banfield (who chuckled and said "Dogs are omnivores" when I told her I was switching Judah to raw and asked what kinds of veggies my cats were eating...) would tell you Matea has some tarter on her teeth. She sees things that aren't there.
      My FAVORITE!!!! comment was from one of the techs when I said I switched Judah and she was more open to the idea and then said, "But you should still feed her some kibble because it's hard and will scrape the tarter off her teeth."
      I looked at her with this look of "are you serious!?" on my face and said, "No, most dogs have periodontal disease because of kibble, it sits on the teeth and can't be cleaned off. Raw bones scrape the teeth clean."
      Her response? "Oh."
      Can you say BRAINWASHED?!

      You only have to look at any dog who's just eaten conventional dog food and see all of the crud sitting on their teeth! I know I always found stuff in Judah's mouth. It was nasty.
      There's never anything leftover to sit in their mouths when they eat raw--they eat every scrap and don't have to chew it too much to get it to go down. But you know this already!

    6. MarciaDogs ages ago | reply

      Thanks Illona and Rebekah! Now it all makes sense. I haven't thought about the cooked bones. That's it! The vet-dentist who works at the vet clinic where I take Rafa and Alice told me that we should never give those bones that are sold in petshops; that thet cab broke dogs' teeth, but she never explained me (OK, I didn't ask her either, but I'm not sure if she would know why).
      I've been thinking of switching Rafa and Alice to raw food. I don't know anybody who raw feeds dogs or cats in Brazil but all that I've read in your (Rebekah, Illona and Tori) flickr's comments made me think about my pets health. I had a standard daschund who died when he was 16 yo and he never ate kibble. On the early 70 there was no such thing as dog food. He used to eat our table leftovers plus some food specialy cooked for him (meat, chicken, carrots, rice). Also he used to eat lots of cooked chicken bones (we didn't know they were dangerous) but never had a problem with them. Also, we used to get him some ox bones at the local butcher. When he was 11 he was diagnosed with some heart disease but he happily lived for 5 more years under medicines. By that time, when he was 11 he had a lot of tartar in his teeth, and star losing them. Now I know that the periodontal disease led to the cardiac disease. Despite not being a "kibble fed dog" he used to eat cooked food that also sticks to dogs' teeth.
      How should I do to switch from kibble to raw? I guess it can't be an abruptely change, right? I want to seriously study the subject and start this process with my dogs. Thanks for all your assistance! You gals are great!

    7. This Year's Love ages ago | reply

      MarciaDogs, dog food is seriously all about money for the corporations behind the labels and nothing to do with actually wanting to provide the animal with proper nutrition. They can say all they want about their "research", but it always has to equal "our food is best for your dog, please give us all your money and your dog's well-being to flush down the toilet."

      It isn't easy to switch to raw--not when you have other people giving you weird looks, making comments, calling you crazy...
      Luckily my parents didn't care really and my dad knows how to shop for cheap meats so he's always on the look out for good deals. He tried to say he was going to feed Kailo kibble and I nipped that in the bud really fast. I would take Kailo away if he fed him kibble! My dad now packages up Kailo's food every few weeks so we just have to grab a baggy out of the freezer, let it thaw out over night, and then feed over the course of the day. That's the easiest way with the puppies and to do portion control/make sure they get enough. The big dogs...I eyeball most of it and toss it out into the yard and let them go at it.

      Whenever I finally move out and have my freezer space all to myself I'm going to work on preparing meals ahead of time to save myself the fight of trying to thaw something out at midnight when I get home from work!

      After reading and rereading everything I could find about raw feeding, it finally came down to just doing it. Once you get comfortable feeding raw, it becomes completely normal. I'm very happy to say I've had several people I know ask me about raw feeding AND switch their animals over to it because of me. I never thought that'd happen!
      I switched all of the dogs cold turkey, no pun intended. Some dogs can be picky, but then there are the dogs like all of my pits who will eat ANYTHING you throw at them--Judah will not eat beef (she can't handle it for some reason and will always throw it up) or fish but she loves turkey.
      the good thing is that you can withhold food from dogs for a few days if they're stubborn--a healthy dog will not starve itself and will grudgingly give in to what you're offering them. Cats, on the other hand, can't go 24 hours without eating which is why my older cat still eats kibble because she refuses to eat anything raw no matter how I disguise it and I can't just wait until she's hungry enough to eat anything. I think she would starve to death out of spite.

      I hope you do decide to switch them over, I know how much you love Alice and Rafael, which is the main reason why I decided to switch Judah! I can't even imagine what Israel would look like if he wasn't raw fed--not nearly as healthy!
      It will be interesting to see how Simona does being raised entirely on raw--pitbull mama switched her pack to raw and Simona's litter started on raw at the same time!--she's scrawny now but you can see how her body decides where the nutrition is going to go. Some weeks it's her muscles, the other weeks it's her bones! right now she's getting so long and tall she looks ridiculous!

    8. sas* ages ago | reply

      so true - about a bone:

      once cooked

      "(a) they're hard on their teeth, and (b) when consumed, they cannot be broken down by the dog's enzymes. once cooked, the chemical makeup of the bone is altered ... they are MUCH harder ..."

      a note:
      to some of you that feed raw food an know of intolerances to different meat...I discovered; it depends at my dog at least; what kind of food was feed to the animals...If it is mix grains with wheat in dog gets to eat, then he gets a reaction (he smells bad) and itching all over..after a while....if there is just the dried grass, fresh grass and corn(or sweet corn)...he's perfectly fine and can have it!

    9. Thruhike98 ages ago | reply

      I feel a little self conscious posting to this pic when I don't have a paragraph to contribute. ;) Thank you all for sharing your experience with raw feeding. We recently adopted a new dog after loosing one at only six years old. That makes us want to do everything in our power to help keep our girl as healthy as possible.

      I've read some mention of lamb and beef vertebrae. I've never seen these. I'm interested in getting something that is not as hard on the dog's teeth as a leg bone. For now, this is just in addition to her current food, EVO, for the teeth-cleaning benefits and to give her a treat.

      * Are the vertebrae bones that the dogs eat whole like chicken necks, or do they just strip them of meat like a leg (marrow/soup) bone?

      * Do you usually get them joined in the whole column, or are they individual vertebrae? (I'm guessing this depends on your butcher.)

    10. sas* ages ago | reply

      so here a glance of how it should look like...I always try to get BIG chunks...big enough to give him work for hours..and that's for the rest of the day all

      I feed heads or half heads lamb/goat, legs with less meat sometime...neck with all the meat there is...beef, the tails just, ribbs if I get any that big...the short one, he swalows in it has to be big....and I need to ask the local butcher to let them in one if he wants to sell..

      I do not feed pork, then he smells afterwards owfull! (and would not fit into his diet...)

      another positive side in feeding barf is, this breed im summer gets a lot of slobber, dogs on barf not so!

      ps: at this case of head feeding only the part of jaw the teeth are in...will be left over...everything else dissapears...

      more info in picture: see BARF group

    11. This Year's Love ages ago | reply

      Thruhike 98 Most beef bones should be avoided as the animal is so large and there's so much pressure on the bones that they are incredibly dense and will usually chip/break/wear teeth down before the dog can ever actually consume it! Lamb is a bit different, it's going to be soft. Chicken necks are too small for most dogs to provide any teeth cleaning benefits--they can be swallowed whole no problem. meanwhile my cats benefit from them since their mouths are so small.
      If you can find raw knuckle bones I would choose that for a treat and to clean teeth. They're soft enough while still giving lots of teeth-cleaning power and will keep dogs busy for hours. Trust me, my pits can destroy just about anything in two seconds flat but they couldn't get through a beef knuckle in less than a couple days!

    12. wikipediaipuser ages ago | reply

      Hi, thanks for changing the license for this photo. It's now up on the raw feeding entry on Wikipedia. Clicking on the thumbnail will bring you to another page where the photo credit will be.

    13. jordan_spiva ages ago | reply

      I saw your photo on wikipedia! I like that you submited it.

    14. jeveuxlesoleil ages ago | reply

      BARF was tried on my dogs and they both got pretty sick... though their teeth have always been white, I think it's in the breeding, 'cause they're on Eukanuba.

      Great to see it's working out for your dog, though! :)

    15. auzzies_rock ages ago | reply

      Beautiful teeth! Haha, now I should get some photos of my guys' teeth, since they're both raw fed and have wonderful pearly whites. ;)

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