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    1. julian- 105 months ago | reply

      Am I the only one who is getting really tired of the whole "Microsoft are stealing everything from us!" thing?

    2. nex 105 months ago | reply

      no. even if it was true, the way in which they're getting that point across is too childish.

    3. scampercom 105 months ago | reply

      Except... oh yeah, it *is* true.

    4. DouglaBryan 105 months ago | reply

      Julian & Nex, um...those are developer's conference banners, not an ad campaign. Lighten up.

    5. angelday 105 months ago | reply

      I don't like this kind of communication either. Plain cheap.

    6. dasgenie 105 months ago | reply

      Yeah, true as it may, pointing out is okay, but dedicating all the banner space to that isn't very mature or interesting. Why not focus on the issues left with Mac OS X? Finder, Samba, the Trash, Spotlight, etc. I get the impression they are way to confident at the moment...

    7. Gordon 105 months ago | reply

      Having seen some of the features of Leopard they have a point, but then it's not like Apple didn't ever copy anything.

      Ohh and the whole "create a To do from a note" thing... Microsoft OneNote anyone?

      But hey, if they can't do this at a dev conf, where can they! ;-)

    8. grubi 105 months ago | reply

      Ohh and the whole "create a To do from a note" thing... Microsoft OneNote anyone?

      OneNote? No. Outlook, sure. But Mail is going, a bit at a time, from a small mail app (like an Outlook Express or Thunderbird) to a more robust full-fledged mail client (like Outlook).

      OneNote ain't got crap to do with it.

    9. auteuil, encore plus fort 105 months ago | reply

      Consenting. And there's is another point regarding comparing: me, for one, I dont want to have any vista, neither 1.0, 2.0, or whatever.

      And I hope all the "Top Secret"-stuff spells "Finder", spells "GUI" (the stripes must go! brushed-metal must go!)

    10. jough [formerly jough] 105 months ago | reply

      It's not like half of Leopard's announced features haven't been available in any good Linux distro for years. Spaces? You could have had quad desktops in KDE ten years ago (or more). Search features that actually work have been around for even longer.

      I don't think Apple is (or should be) averse to poaching good ideas if those ideas make their products better.

      It's really too bad that they didn't say anything about fixing things that weren't working right already (like say, Finder) and instead focused on the whiz-bang new features at WWDC, which puts then about on par with Vista in terms of adding sexy new features at the expense of not fixing real problems with the product.

      No mention yet of UI changes but hopefully they'll overhaul Leopard to look better than Vista when its Aqua... I mean, Aero, comes out.

      So obviously Vista is Leopard's chief competitor, since it'll likely launch just before 10.5 now, but to call it a copycat and then announce features you've copied from other OSes at the same conference seems a little hypocritical. I wouldn't have thought Apple was the Pot.

    11. scandar 105 months ago | reply

      For a Developers' Conference it makes sense I suppose. It's not like this is their public ad campaign.

    12. a_cib708 105 months ago | reply

      I think Apple's going the right way, i mean, just look at this video (*PLEASE!*) (LINK;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-EqLgSkegU) it just explains how Vista is a really cheap copy of Tiger.
      So picture this. You are Steve Jobs (or any important manager, chief, whatever) of Apple and suddenly you look around and the competitor has made an exact copy of your ideas (not just one,as apple i think has already copied, but ALL) How'd you feel?

    13. TheQ! 105 months ago | reply

      this is awesome... and I live in Redmond! :)

    14. etalk 105 months ago | reply

      This reminds me of something Apple did in the late '90's with there "Been There, Done That" campaign. Then too, they tried to expand upon the fact that Microsoft copied the Mac. It didn't work then, it won't work now. People care about what the technology can do for them, and how easy will it be for them to master it. They don't care where it was invented.

    15. jsnell 105 months ago | reply

      "Spaces? You could have had quad desktops in KDE ten years ago (or more)."

      If you think Spaces will be no easier to use, no simpler for regular users to understand, than desktop-switching in KDE, you will be sorely mistaken. What Apple brings to the party is an understanding of how to make that feature work for more than 0.01% of users.

      (By the way, Spaces has more than four desktops.)

    16. Steve Lacey 105 months ago | reply

      jough: X11 had virtual desktops in vtwm and swm back in 1991, i.e. 15 years ago. This spaces concept definitely ain't new...

    17. p.m.h. 105 months ago | reply

      Jason Snell got it right.
      To all the naysayers: it's not about the features, it's about the implementation. The level of refinement that Apple puts into the user experience is second to none.
      You can carry a knife, a screwdriver, a corkscrew, a pair of scissors, a bottle opener, tweezers, and a magnifier glass in a plastic bag; or you can pack a swiss army knife. Same functionality, different levels of functionalism.

    18. julian- 105 months ago | reply

      Ah, like the refinement of the Spotlight privacy panel that gives everyone a nice, central location to go to find all your bank records/secret stuff/porn for example? ;)

    19. Grovberg 102 months ago | reply

      Yeah, it would make a lot of sense for them to spend time and money developing banners to highlight their faults.

      Seriously people, while this isn't mass marketing per se, it's still marketing. Marketing targeted at developers with the intention of making those developers feel like they made the right decision to make Mac apps instead of Windows apps. And in that light I think it's a fine choice.

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