Flickr Sometimes Deletes Your Content Even Though They Don't Have To

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I think this has helped to open up the channels of communication. I don't know how long it'll take but I do think they now want to make changes. Blogged.

 

  • Eric Lowenbach 3y

    Another nail in the coffin that contains my good will about Flickr.
  • yorksgalSue pain is a pain 3y

    Do you still have the original on a memory card anywhere? If so can you do anything to either of them with that?
    Bunch of knobs.
  • j u 5 3y

    Dave Gorman well good luck Dave. hopefully this whole fiasco will bag you a few more followers, more comments and views:)
  • Dave Gorman 3y

    j u 5 Actually I'd far rather it persuaded flickr to change their policy. Seeing as how it's unnecessary and bad for their users.
  • Stephen Small 3y

    Dave Gorman And that's the whole point - this is unnecessary and will only serve to drive people away. This is completely avoidable...
  • Stephen Small 3y

    What percentage of flickr's userbase is non-US?
  • Stephen Small 3y

    Oh, it's 75%... From Yahoo's own info, 20m individual US users and 80m worldwide... advertising.yahoo.com/article/flickr.html That's a lot of people who fall outside the policy they stand behind...
  • Dave Gorman 3y

    Stephen Small Even the 25% of US users get screwed over if the notice of infringement comes from outside the US. It's not as if this can't happen to the American flickr users... it absolutely can.
  • Chris Hester 3y

    They should primarily be catering for the 75% (being the majority) and not just the 25% (as appears to be their focus here).
  • Dave Gorman 3y

    @Chris Hester: They should be catering to 100%. The 25% of users based in America aren't well served by this either. If they get a Notice of Infringement from outside the USA their content is gone too.
  • Christopher Thompson 3y

    Crazy!
  • Seluma 3y

    I've been following this in the HF, and I find it scary. Very scary, indeed.

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    Seen on your photo stream. (?)
  • Craig Warhurst 3y

    This is only about public images. People who upload images as Private, or at least Friends and Family, have no need to worry. For images you do want to share you could upload a duplicate set marked as private so you at least have a copy of your images available if you do become victim to this outrageous behaviour. Flickr is such a good tool for accessing your images across devices - there are some brilliant iPad apps that use it, for example. If there were any decent alternatives we could all flee but there aren't that I know of (Picasa is rubbish). It reminds me of the Dropbox security fiasco last year - I would have liked to have moved to one of the other cloud services but Dropbox gets supported by the majority of iPad apps whereas the others don't. So we have to wait for these bumbling giants to get their act together -- which could be a while --- or try to find workarounds and live with it.
  • Dave Gorman 3y

    Craig Warhurst The thing is, it's not just about storage. If it were, we'd all have harddrives full of images and nothing online. The difference between storing your images (on Dropbox, on a harddrive or wherever) and putting them on flickr, is that flickr is supposed to be a community.

    That's why there are sets and groups and comments and favourites etc etc. Those things are what flickr offers that storage doesn't. And it's those precise things that they've deleted. Comments/faves/bookmarks/links. It would be one thing if they had to for some peculiar reason. They don't. It's their choice to do so. It's a pretty shitty choice.
  • rmtx 3y

    What a disgrace.
  • dididumm 3y

    First let me say that I really admire your patience and dedication. I hope it will help change a few things arounnd here. I think the problem is another one though:
    once these internet companies are too big, they can't just be replaced by some other service, and thus become kind of a pure monopoly (take a look at Craig Warhurst 's comment: "If there were any decent alternatives we could all flee but there aren't that I know of (Picasa is rubbish)." This goes for flickr, but also for many other internet companies - I think everyone knows them, so I won't drop names. Once they have this god-like status, they can do whatever they want. Literally.

    I don't have a solution. In the end it's us, the customers, who must go and look for alternatives - alternatives create competition, and competition always means better customer service, too (the company who doesn't care about their customers will be gone in no time).
  • Austen Haines 3y

    Im glad that it sounds as if Flickr are finally going to change their policy on this (from what you said in the help forum). And thanks for pushing this through, as it seems it really could happen to any of us. :-)
  • Jeffrey Nonken 3y

    Time for me to close my account, then. I don't really have anything of particular worth or interest anyway; I can either use another service, or just put them into my own photo gallery (I have Gallery v1 running on my hosting service).

    Yahoo is dying, and instead of trying to stay alive they're thrashing around and trying to take as many with them as they can.

    Thanks for posting this. I've been following this story in techdirt, FWIW.
  • Dave Gorman 3y

    For what it's worth, I don't think anyone should delete their account. I think links are important. I think that if someone has linked to one of your photos that link should, if at all possible, still point to your photo.

    That doesn't mean you have to maintain your account. Until late yesterday it was my intention to stop paying for flickr and migrate elsewhere leaving things unattended here, rather than to delete things.

    I've explained in the Help Forum and with a blog post the developments of last night.

    In brief, while the policy is bad as it stands, I think they now accept that and that there is the will to change it.
  • Mr. Evil Cheese Scientist 3y

    Stirling work Dave, thanks for all the effort you put in on highlighting this.
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