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    This made me feel physically ill and incredibly angry. The disrespect of putting an apple into a corpse's mouth is just unfathomable. I don't think I'll be going into Dean and Deluca again; every time I do, I see the most disgusting displays of human cruelty. (Apologies to anyone offended by the image, I know it's horrible.)

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    1. The Cassandra Project 66 months ago | reply

      why do you think we will disappear as a species if we abandon livestock keeping? we don't need any animal products to survive or even thrive.
      (i agree about the dogs left alone in small apartments, yep and goldfish.)

    2. Pleroma 66 months ago | reply

      They, not us, will probably disappear if they are no longer raised for economic reasons . . . . Where in the developed world would swine and cattle hang out in peace? National parks?

    3. The Cassandra Project 66 months ago | reply

      i seriously suspect that many of these basically human-made species would have no chance of survival at all, even under ideal conditions. if we hadn't made them they wouldn't or couldn't exist. it's an entirely synthetic industry that breeds and murders - what is it? - 70 billion animals every year.

    4. Pleroma 66 months ago | reply

      'An entirely synthetic industry' . . . yes, that started around 10,000 years ago when humans diversified away from being hunter-gatherers (scavengers?) and began domesticating plants and animals - which gave rise to what became today's agriculture. To reverse that development, even if it were practical, may not be desirable. But altering it seems essential.

      I was reading this a few hours ago:

      www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/eco-terrorism-...

      In Helsingin Sanomat, the Finnish daily newspaper, a journalist wrote recently that the problem of global warming and environmental degradation starts in the bedroom: if you really want to do something about it don't have kids. There are just far too many humans - with all the rapacious demands they place on the planet - already. I agree that the global population should be scaled down but genocide is not the way to achieve this. What would be required is a wholesale revaluation of values on a global scale: we would have to fundamentally adjust our our thoughts about how as a species we conduct ourselves. A tall order but not necessarily an impossible one: if we dodge it life for humans on this planet is unlikely to be viable for much longer.

    5. The Cassandra Project 66 months ago | reply

      are you saying that we haven't learnt anything in 10'000 years? (i don't think we have, and i think it's about bloody time we started learning fast). and the planet is only overpopulated if we continue with the kind of agriculture we have become used to. don't look at vegans if you're looking for terrorists, by the way. apart from that, we don't need extremists to thin our herd. big business will do a much better job any day of the week. if you want us to survive, we all have to reduce the resources we consume, and the biggest of the low-hanging fruits is livestock. stop that and we buy ourselves a lot more time.

    6. Pleroma 66 months ago | reply

      No, we've certainly learned things in the last 10,000 years. Many things indeed. Evidence is all around. I think however that we've chosen to avoid addressing really fundamental questions about how to live, and that as a result there is now some reckoning to do. We need to grow up and behave responsibly if life for our own species - let alone the others - is to be viable here in the future. However, I suspect that the demand that we make of ourselves (speaking personally here) to change may be too great in the vast majority of cases: we just do not want to face it because changing habits of thought and behavior appear just so inconvenient and too much hard work. Having said that though, I have been surprised by the success of various lobbies: due to suppression of tobacco smoking rates of lung cancer and heart disease have dropped sharply in the West. Recyling awareness has made great in-roads into consciousness and is actually changing consumer culture. A black man will become the next US President. None of this looked remotely likely 30 years ago. There is hope. Perhaps these movements need just to gain critical mass and reach a tipping point before widespread adoption of "new" ethics occurs?

      Perhaps this is more the province, though not exclusively so, of radicalized student activists? I certainly agree with your last two sentences, Herbi. Awareness of what effect our smallest choices have in the grand scheme of things - like what it means and whether or not to buy meat, eggs and dairy products - would be the way to go. I don't agree with hurling violent abuse at the unenlightened; that seems completely counter effective.

    7. The Cassandra Project 66 months ago | reply

      :o)

      I think the radical stance needs to be taken, although not necessarily by all of us.

    8. arimoore 66 months ago | reply

      An atheist "amen" to that! :)

    9. Pleroma 65 months ago | reply

      www.independent.co.uk/news/science/elephants-kept-in-zoos...

      I'm glad some attention is being given to this: I've seen distressed animals in captivity and it is quite obviously 'wrong' to keep them incarcerated in small spaces simply for entertainment or on spurious "educational" grounds. The keeping of animals in captivity for entertainment - or as pets - bothers me far more than raising, killing and eating animals for food.

    10. The Cassandra Project 65 months ago | reply

      such a difference in lifespan is very stark and shocking isn't it? at the end of the day, though, any exploitation is wrong, whatever form it takes.

    11. Pleroma 65 months ago | reply

      Exploitation of other species becomes very hard indeed to justify when examined objectively, without self-serving fiction:

      'And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle of all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."' Genesis 1.26

      It's taken hundreds of thousands of years for humans to reach the point where they are capable of questioning the justification and acceptability of exploitation. Human development has depended on this exploitation, using "draught animals" to pull plows or carry burdens. Would this development have been possible in any other way? Is this development even desirable? Many aspects of it look like a total mess: so-called development has come at a mighty high price in terms of degradation of the biosphere/environment. What is development?

    12. The Cassandra Project 65 months ago | reply

      i've always interpreted that scripture as a duty of care. i guess i'm a bit naive...

    13. Pleroma 65 months ago | reply

      I think dominion means a bit more than a duty of care: "the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority." It amounts - as a justification in the minds of many - to the right to interfere freely with other species. A license from the Almighty to exploit every creeping thing - from silkworms to elephants - that creepeth upon the earth?

    14. arimoore 65 months ago | reply

      Read Matthew Scully's "Dominion" for a Christian perspective into animal rights. Scully believes that dominion can be more usefully and accurately understood to mean "custodianship" or "guardianship." After all, doesn't God hear every sparrow fall?
      books.google.com/books?id=_iT2MmSr5j4C&dq=dominion+ma...

      I'm not Christian, but I talk with a lot of them. This book was very useful for me in understanding Christian arguments for compassion.

    15. Pleroma 65 months ago | reply

      Thanks for the tip!

      (I'll put that in my Amazon Wish List for someday when . . . I have two large plastic containers FULL of books-to-be-read: this year has been far too busy for reading time but still I've been buying . . . This is almost criminality on my part: over-consumption. It's got to stop!)

    16. static416 50 months ago | reply

      Hey, I used this shot in my blog post here:
      laconicreply.com/2010/03/15/aspirationally-vegan/

      In keeping with creative commons I linked to this page, and your profile for accreditation.

      Let me know if that's cool, or if you'd like it removed.

      Thanks
      Eric

    17. Pipo Wintter 42 months ago | reply

      Sick. As if it wasn't sad enough to eat them...

    18. veggy 17 months ago | reply

      i hope your a veggy!

    19. loupiote (Old Skool) pro 17 months ago | reply

      good thing that the carcass is that of a pig. i have a series os similar photos involving dogs (in parts of asia, they are farmed, slaughtered and eaten as meat, just like pigs), and those photos raise a much bigger can of worms because of speciesism ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism ), in addition to veganism and animal exploitation issues.

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