annie o'frankly

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    1. doylesaylor 82 months ago | reply

      The Kaffiyeh reference is not real strong. The color on the right is gorgeous. Anne looks joyous in the scarf. I think the political here recedes to the aesthetic. And I think giggie you do the shot in the best political tradition of Balzac. This is a real strong piece of expressive photography.

    2. giggie larue 82 months ago | reply

      thanks so kindly doylesaylor!

      you know, as i saw the sticker from afar, i was very aware of context, thinking of the neighborhood i was in, the particular business' there, the alleys, who would live around there etc.

      and i could find no apparent connections between the politics of the sticker and the placement (other than the potential/subliminal "warning" message of the traffic horses in the background).

      so in that way the aesthetics did indeed take the fore for me.

    3. Blindspot1330 82 months ago | reply

      doyle/giggie...i agree with the asthetics angle. i just wondered if others were aware of the political side. giggie has done a great job of showing how even the most provocative "statements" can become secondary when artistic issues override. this is almost like a guerrilla benneton ad.

    4. giggie larue 82 months ago | reply

      ack! that's so in accord with much of what's happening socio-culturally here in SF! i.e. the diminishment of things of importance and substance by consumerism, "popular culture", name brand-ishment etc. (there are a fuck-lot of "monied peoples" coming in/out again and doing the gentrification-gyration to the detriment of the un-monied.)

      frankly (pun absolutely intended), i would bet a great number of people (esp. under a certain age) wouldn't know who this was. and might indeed think it to be part of some ad or a "celebrity" or some such!

    5. FW18 82 months ago | reply

      i actually find this to be in poor taste. i'm not sure what the artist was going for.

    6. giggie larue 82 months ago | reply

      @feelsweird - is it the art/representation itself you find in poor taste, or my photograph of it?

      it's very rare that i know what an artist is intending by their work. i can make reasonable conclusions based on taking in all the cues/clues, and using common sense. but i never assume unless i hear it directly from them (if they themselves even articulate it, which people often seem to refrain from).

      and it's also rare that i'll forego depicting what i witness because i don't know what's being "said", or i'm afraid it will be offensive. there have been some i've passed over for one reason or another. but if someone responds to me directly with any obvious points of contention, i can't reply - it's not my creation.

      (i have a shot of anti-army poster in here, which a military flickr-ite asked a confrontive question about. i simply didn't answer. it was obvious it was anti-war, and obvious that he was taking offense and wanted to dialogue about it.)

    7. doylesaylor 82 months ago | reply

      I think the political side of the image is undermined by the Flickr world. Here is how I think that, Anne Frank is a great historical figure representing the greatest single ethnic cleansing ever. At the same time what our contemporary culture does is use up and forget consumer items. As giggie says young people don't know history well. And what supplants that is doing something with the image as a sort of re-interpetation through the artists eyes. Which I think is much more powerful way of making pictures that making an icon as Anne Frank was made. Then the living reference to events crops up like blindspot1330 shows us by his historical sense of cultural depth. And it's the living part of all of us that counts. That to me is the real political as opposed to devices like icons put out to tell us what has happened. giggie has done what I think song writers/singers have done taken something and added touches to re-enliven something that would have otherwise gone further and further into fading from memory. Which is the most powerful single thing an artist can do. That is why Rennaissance painters using perspective and oil paint could re-invigor European culture concerning ancient Roman, Greek, and Christian cultures impact upon their present lives.

    8. FW18 82 months ago | reply

      giggie, i'm not against you taking a picture! snap away! i like your photos.

      doyle, i can't figure out what you're talking about. i'm not sure how the "political recedes to the aesthetic." this is ANNE FRANK!

      i think the "annie o'frankly" is in poor taste. it's a cutesy street art sticker with a cutesy name. and it's an image of a girl who was massacred and represents a massive genicide.
      Not something i feel is a great subject for a cutesy sticker. thus, i find it tacky.

      i think the artist is trying to make some kind of political statement about palestinians experiencing what jews experienced in the holocaust (yes, that is a controversial statement to say the least). but i don't know, it's not a clear sticker.

    9. doylesaylor 82 months ago | reply

      FeelsWierd writes,
      doyle, i can't figure out what you're talking about. i'm not sure how the "political recedes to the aesthetic." this is ANNE FRANK!

      Doyle;
      And so is Jesus head of the Church. If Jesus is an icon, a figure with a halo on the church wall, then gradually the image loses it's meaning. An icon dies a death of ignorance. A good artist takes an image that is draining of lived meaning and re-invests it with life and meaning. Giggie made a beautiful image whose aesthetics lives beyond the iconicism of the Anne Frank image itself.

      Poor taste? Let's take Rembrandt as the gold standard of poor taste. His work is full of the wrong person in the wrong role. I wouldn't have thought twice about the image pasted somewhere on the streets, but giggie has found a rich image to meditate upon.

      What I am talking about is that on Flickr the conversation over powers icons. A good image and giggie's is a good image richly infuses aesthetic meaning over and above what content might have been there. But Flickr goes further, it adds community thinking to an image that otherwise sits silently observed endlessly until memory falls silent.

    10. giggie larue 82 months ago | reply

      @feelsweird - "i think the "annie o'frankly" is in poor taste. it's a cutesy street art sticker with a cutesy name. and it's an image of a girl who was massacred and represents a massive genicide."

      i hear you, i can see that take - good point.

      here's the reasoning for my titling. when i first saw the sticker from a distance, the scarf struck me as a western bandana. so my first impression was:

      "hmm, anne frank wearing a western bandana, looking like annie oakley." of course when i got up closer i recognized the scarf as a kaffiyeh. but that first impression of anne frank connected to annie oakley was imprinted for me, NOT as cutesy, but rather as a rep. of powerful females, independent and resourceful women in times/situations when that was dangerous and even rare.

      i'm also big on "plays on words", and i tend to overuse the word "frankly". and one of my alter's last name is "o'funk".

      hence the title.

    11. kafkan 82 months ago | reply

      Crazy cool.

      I'm not so offended by your title. What gets me in an uproar pretty fast is when people compare (even super evil) modern persons to Hitler or a Nazi.

      You simply shouldn't compare say Saddam Husein to Hitler. They simply are not in the same ball park. To make the comparison lessens the things that Hitler did and is only aimed at a knee jerk response.

      But it sure is a lively debate you stirred up with this photo and title.


      Her chances of holding him back?

      Life is better seen in HIGH metaphoric CONTRAST!

    12. Jeff Duncan Brecht [deleted] 82 months ago | reply

      It's poor taste. Not cute. Not clever.

    13. Rhett Redelings 82 months ago | reply

      But it is art. How can I tell? Because it's sparked this long debate. Art is supposed to challenge us and make us feel and question and argue and, did I mention feel?

    14. FW18 82 months ago | reply

      everyone else, thanks for the comments. i thought the street artist had picked the name Annie O'Frankly, i didn't know that gigs had picked that as the title.

      rhett: no one is trying to make a "debate" about what is art. that's f-ing boring. it doesn't matter what is considered art. i have never once had someone challenge me about whether street art and graffiti was art. if they did, i'd yawn and keep making stuff and let the stuffed shirts yap away in obscurity, like:
      o'doyle:
      the loser artnerd talk adds no clarification and you don't speak to the sticker itself . i don't care about "the good image" on flickr. i'm talkin bout that one sticker.

      ciao

    15. giggie larue 82 months ago | reply

      ooo, this dialogue got me all worked up now wanting to talk to whoever created that sticker, wanting to have them read this thread!

    16. doylesaylor 82 months ago | reply

      FeelsWieird writes;
      you don't speak to the sticker itself . i don't care about "the good image" on flickr. i'm talkin bout that one sticker.

      Doyle;
      Well when this gets into personal attacks, then this shifts things a bit. As far as I am concerned your point about poor taste no longer makes any sense. I'm glad giggie posted this photo. Good work giggie, keep it up.

    17. giggie larue 82 months ago | reply

      yes, discussion has shifted. put it to bed.
      thanks all.

    18. mattyu.ca 77 months ago | reply

      i know this is months later, but did anyone bother to check out the artist's site? The piece is called Banned Frank. Flipping through the pictures on the site shows an interesting dialog right on the street.

    19. giggie larue 77 months ago | reply

      well now, this is embarrassing! you're right. and i'm actually surprised none of us did so, which is usually the case amongst people i know. somehow it slipped by our reasoning this time.

      thanks so much for the link, appreciate it!

    20. mattyu.ca 77 months ago | reply

      you're very welcome!

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