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[Closed] Censorship & Free Speech at Flickr

666isMONEY ☮ ♥ & ☠ PRO says:

There was a long article in the New York Times Magazine, Sunday, Nov. 30th in regards to censorship at Google.

The article mentioned how Google allows searches of "Holocaust Denial" at Google's search engine but censors it in Germany where H-denial is against the law.

(The article did not mention how Google tweeked their algorithems to hide an "offensive" site, which came up first when U Google the word "Jew," . . . there was an article about that somewhere too.)

My question is: How much Free Speech does flickr allow?

Other popular blogs (not to say flickr is a blog but can be used as one) allow ppl to post pics, not their own (i.e., "Fair Use") with comments. I see that here at flickr too, especially in current events Groups, ppl will grab a pic off the internet to illustrate their spin on a story.

I was recently deleted for unknown reasons . . . coulda been a number of things. I'd spend, sometimes more than an hour writing stories for pics, either pics I took or for a few internet pics. All with proper credit and what I believed to be "Fair Use."

Seems flickr didn't like a Group I started called "The Rahm Emanuel Fan Club," where I borrowed three pics (with proper credit, one was in the public domain as an official Government pic), photoshopped them a bit and wrote extensive articles about Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff. One of the pics was photoshopped with a Jewish Hexagram with a swastika cleverly drawn in by a cult called "Raelian."

I'm not sure if that was the reason I was deleted or not . . . fickr never answered.

So, before I start investing more time and effort in my new flickr account, I'd like to know how far I can express myself here with what I truely believe, which might offend ppl but is NOT against the law.

I mean, if flickr is meant to be a family-friendly place to share ur vacation pics, they should let us know up-front before we waste any more of our effort here.
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zyrcster PRO says:

Flickr does let you know right up front that this site is meant for you to host your own photos that you yourself have created:
www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne

Do upload content that you have created.
Respect the copyright of others. This means don't steal photos or videos that other people have shared and pass them off as your own. (That’s what favorites are for.)

Don’t upload anything that isn't yours.
This includes other people's photos, video and/or stuff you've collected from around the Internet. Accounts that consist primarily of such collections may be terminated at any time.

It has nothing to do with censorship or free speech or even Fair Use -- these are all legal terms.

Flickr has a rule: only upload your own photos or images that you made.
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The Searcher PRO says:

Flickr doesn't concern itself with any license agreements you may have made, which includes fair-use and/or public domain images. It very simply just requires you to only display content that you created.

"if flickr is meant to be a family-friendly place to share ur vacation pics, they should let us know up-front before we waste any more of our effort here."

It is very important that you read the guidelines before continuing, so you don't break any of their rules again. Yes you can be deleted for posting content that you didn't create, so that is very likely what happened to you.

Flickr doesn't have to be "family-friendly", as with properly moderated content (which you seem to have figured out) you can post full on porn here if you want to. It just has to be porn that you made yourself.

[Edit: everything that I write, my image story/descriptions, I have copies of offline. As with photos, you shouldn't trust the sole/only copy of any content you create to a single online source.]
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(deaf mute) says:

Flickr is controlled by 12 foot lizards. David Icke told me.

(I didn't believe him, of course. I'm not that crazy).
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Dr. Keats PRO says:

Most obvious reason for your deletion would be using other people's images...

Doesn't matter what rights you may have to them, whether you think they're "fair use", or whether you can see other people doing it - if you get caught, they'll nuke you...

As to written content - a Holocaust denier posted his views several times in a Help thread a while back. All posts were deleted (although his account was not). I'd imagine that there's a lot of stuff that can be said in a Group, which would be promptly deleted by Flickr if said in an open Forum - particularly stuff based on race or religion...

Here's the applicable guideline:

"Don’t vent your frustrations, rant, or bore the brains out of other members.
Flickr is not a venue for you to harass, abuse, impersonate, or intimidate others. If we receive a valid complaint about your conduct, we’ll send you a warning or terminate your account".
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666isMONEY ☮ ♥ & ☠ PRO says:

No one ever blocked me. Jesus wasn't too polite to the religious bigots of his time.

Here's a story in the New York Times today flickr could learn from:

November 28, 2008, 6:37 am

Tag That Image: Visual Bookmarking Sites Worth Browsing

By Jenna Wortham

Half the fun of surfing the Internet is stumbling across tasty little Web treats that you never would have thought to look for.

Traditional social bookmarking sites like Digg and Delicious are great for finding articles and other text that other Web surfers have tagged as interesting.

For the visually oriented, the pickings have been slim. Now, however, a handful of photo-oriented bookmarking sites are emerging to entertain the eye as well as the mind.

We Heart It, FFFFound and Vi.sualize.us — resemble constantly changing art installations. Similar to a white-walled gallery, they present their goods with little to no flourish: simple, clean interfaces are all that stand between visitors and eyefuls of color.

The sites work similarly to their text-based brethren. When members discover an image worth preserving, they bookmark it, either by right-clicking or using a site-specific browser button. Although the sites are still light years away from the popularity of their older siblings -– Digg alone boasts 35 million unique users per month and as many as 20,000 submissions per day -– they are steadily gaining a loyal following.

Here’s a bit more about each of the sites. Please note that images on all of them can be slightly not-safe-for-work, so proceed with caution when browsing.

Tokyo-based design firm Tha started FFFFound as a side project in June 2007. “We just genuinely wanted to share images that are considered good by a community of people,” said Erica Sakai, a spokesperson for the company. “At the time, there were no Web sites that offered this kind of service.”

As members add fresh fodder to the site, images appear and drift down the homepage, forming a steady stream of album covers, typographical posters, experimental photography and snapshots of street graffiti.

Unlike the other sites, FFFFound is a closed to new contributors. Ms. Sakai said the team elected to cap the community’s size for fear FFFFound would become overly cluttered and unmanageable. But any visitor is free to browse the catalog of 500,000 images.

Victor Espigares, a software engineer in Spain, was flipping through a photographer’s portfolio on the Web when he was struck by a particular image. “I was thinking about bookmarking the picture — but not the site — and found that I had no choice,” said Mr. Espigares. “So I started to think about filling that need. Later, I started to think a little bigger and realized that others might have a similar need.”

Vi.sualize.us features more variety than the other sites: anything from T-shirt designs to artsy studio shots and illustrations are likely to pop up. Since the site began in September 2007, the community has expanded to roughly 10,000 members with a collection of nearly 300,000 images.

We Heart It: Unable to land an invitation to FFFFound, Fabio Giolito, a Brazilian Web developer, created We Heart It in March partially as an alternative to the exclusive site.

“As a designer, I keep an inspiration folder on my computer where I throw all the cool images and links I find,” said Mr.Giolito. “I created the site to organize things that I like. People liked it, so I opened it to everyone.”

With its wealth of portrait and fashion photography, the site is similar to Flickr but with a more risqué and avant-garde feel. Unlike the other two visual-bookmarking sites, We Heart It also allows its 16,000 registered users to tag favorite videos from Vimeo and YouTube. The site currently has more than 200,000 submissions, and Mr. Giolito estimates a new selection is added each minute.

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666isMONEY ☮ ♥ & ☠ edited this topic 112 months ago.

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~Cath G~ says:

666isMONEY [Deleted] "no-one ever blocked me"

You can't be sure of that. Flickr doesn't notify people when they are blocked.

It doesn't matter what happens elsewhere on the net. If you want to stay within the rules at flickr, only post your own work.
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666isMONEY ☮ ♥ & ☠ PRO says:

So it must be a complex legal, copyright issue flickr doesn't wanna deal with or explain.

IMO: What I did was fair use.

If the copyright-holder had an issue, they should have contacted me first!

(I'm an anarchist except with liars, false accusers, slanderers, bigots & devils.)
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Dr. Keats PRO says:

"IMO: What I did was fair use".

Doesn't matter - their site, their rules. You agree to abide by their rules when you create your account
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The Searcher PRO says:

How would the copyright holder know to contact you? The way copyright works is, you have to ask THEM first. Perhaps when one of them saw you say essentially "fuck you" to them and take what you wanted without asking, they decided to say "fuck you" back and report you to Flickr. Karma's a bitch.

You want to make excuses, knock yourself out. Make your own website, front your own storage costs, and make whatever rules you want. But you SIGNED UP FOR FLICKR. And when you signed up, you agreed to their rules and conditions. "Anarchists" need not apply.

Flickr is about creating your own works and sharing them for others to view. If you have no desire to create, then Flickr just isn't for you.
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iansand PRO says:

666isMONEY [Deleted] Nothing to do with copyright, everything to do with the Terms of Service. This has already been explained by several people in this thread.
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666isMONEY ☮ ♥ & ☠ PRO says:

Searcher, I know enough about "Fair Use" to know ur wrong.

I'm suggesting that flickr lighten up and look toward "no-holds barred*" free speech & the future.

* Exception for what violates the law.
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iansand PRO says:

666isMONEY [Deleted] Have you read the Terms of Service? Do you have a theory why they might not apply to you?
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The Searcher PRO says:

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Because there's no such thing as "fair use" on Flickr. That's according to the rules you agreed to when you signed up. I'm curious why you keep not owning up to that.

You want free speech? Make it yourself. Don't take others' and pass it off as your own. At least not on Flickr. problem solved.

But if you must, keep on "Fighting the Power". It'll cost you $25 a pop. have fun.
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666isMONEY ☮ ♥ & ☠ PRO says:

If I violate the TOS, flickr, to become the wave of the future, needs to wise-up!

Other-wise, feel free to post ur vacation pics here and nothing else.
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Michael Smith PRO says:

I think Flickr would prefer to serve its millions of members than 'become the wave of the future'.

kthxbai
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Flickr Staff

heather PRO says:

The Flickrverse is made up of many kinds of people who believe in many types of things. In all, we ask (and the Yahoo! Terms of Service and Community Guidelines proscribe) that we respect those differences. The boundaries specifically are:

Yahoo! Terms of Service Section 6. Member Conduct:

You agree to not use the Yahoo! Services to:

1. upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;


And the Flickr Community Guidelines:

Don’t vent your frustrations, rant, or bore the brains out of other members.
Flickr is not a venue for you to harass, abuse, impersonate, or intimidate others. If we receive a valid complaint about your conduct, we’ll send you a warning or terminate your account.


There's a contintent of possibilities beyond "ur vacation pics" for people to share, but it must be done in a way that is respectful of the greater community.

Given that we don't provide specific feedback in the Help Forum, this topic is doomed to failure. 666isMONEY [Deleted], I'll see if I can dig up a conversation you've had with Customer Care via Help by Email to provide more specific feedback.

Otherwise, we're done.
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