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[Official Thread] Flickr partners with Pixsy to fight image theft

Flickr Staff

Leticia Roncero says:

Hi everyone,

We’re excited to announce our new partnership with Pixsy, an image monitoring and legal tech service that helps photographers find and fight image theft. Pixsy’s reverse image search technology and AI monitors and protects your work 24/7, so you can keep control of where and how your photos are being used around the web. Pixsy also provides you with the tools to tackle any unauthorized use of your images in a variety of different ways.

Starting today, if you are a Flickr Pro member, you will be able to automatically integrate your Flickr images with Pixsy’s advanced monitoring and protection platform, so you can get notified when new matches of your work are found online, and recover compensation when your images are stolen for commercial gain.

Flickr Pro members get access to 1,000 monitored images, 10 DMCA takedown notices, and unlimited case submission for free. If you are not currently Pro, this is a great opportunity to upgrade and take advantage of the awesome perks that come with a Pro account.

How does it work?

To get started, visit your account settings page on Flickr, locate Pixsy under the “Pro Perks” section, select “Redeem” and follow the instructions there. When a copyright infringement is detected by Pixsy, you’ll get access to a variety of tools and services that will help you deal with the unauthorized use of your work. From sending legally binding takedown notices to any site globally to have your image removed, to submitting a case through Pixsy’s legal department to recover lost revenue on your behalf, you’ll be fully prepared to take action. Pixsy doesn’t get paid unless you do!

Want to learn more? Check this article in the Flickr Help Center.

More details here and here.
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kmacgray says:

Leticia Roncero:

You’ll then be taken to an external page where Pixsy will automatically connect to all your Flickr images.

That's not what is happening for me. Clicking "redeem" takes me to the Pixsy front page, where I then need to create an account. Nothing automatic is occurring.

If Flickr members need to first create a Pixsy account, that's not mentioned in the announcement above.
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Rick Berg says:

That's a cool perk. Actually submitted a removal request, and found a bunch more places where my photos are being used.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339*** incognito says:

Leticia Roncero:

I share the experience of kmacgray, there is no automated "redeeming", also not by connecting your account via a couple of clicks to "authenticate". You need to create a free Pixsy account first.
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Flickr Staff

Leticia Roncero says:

kmacgray:

Clicking "redeem" takes me to the Pixsy front page


Thanks! We are going to update that page now, but you will still need to create an account with Pixsy from there. Then, their system automatically connects to all images.
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ColetteSimonds says:

Leticia Roncero:

Well, that's very good news! Thanks for giving us some recourse regarding image theft.
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NicoleW0000 says:

I went into my Account Settings and Pro perks page and clicked on Pixsy, there is not redeem button to click. Am I missing a step here
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The Searcher says:

I'll be especially curious how the case submission process works, what sort of success rate they have. People have been selling my artwork for years, most often on tshirt/vendor sites that specialize in letting 3rd parties post whatever they want, taking a cut of all sales. But most product site's responses are "we took it down when you notified us, as we are legally obligated to do, but we ain't giving you any of the revenue we made from the sales, seeya."
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The Searcher says:

Now that I've done the setup, an initial disappointment: I don't appear to have any control over what 1000 images it monitors. My account has a mix of personal photos and illustrations. I just want the illustrations monitored. But it looks like Pixsy is gonna monitor a whole bunch of stuff no one's stealing, and not get all of the illustrations I need watched.

So, it'll probably be useless for me, unless I guess I upload my hundreds of individual images to it by hand. And then delete the 1000 images I don't want it to watch, also one at a time by hand.

So.. not great so far.

It really REALLY needs an option to monitor specific ALBUMS on Flickr.
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ColetteSimonds says:

The Searcher:

So.. not great so far.


Haven't tried this tool yet. At least Flickr is trying to appease some of of us regarding theft! A step in the right direction?
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The Searcher says:

Sure, if only it worked. But I now have to delete 500+ images, one at a time, in a cumbersome multi-click process, before I can upload ONE image that I WANT them to monitor.

Most of the content I want monitored is years old, so it's behind the 1000 photo limit, since there's no way to choose specific images or albums.

It's $20 a MONTH to increase the limit, so I suspect these bad user interface decisions are intentional to push people to upgrade.

it's unfortunately mostly useless for me, if I can't tell it what photos to watch.
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The Searcher says:

And I just sent them a message about it, and the response was "Pixsy will be back tomorrow."

So, good day to take the day off over there.
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Darren LoPrinzi says:

Leticia Roncero:

This is a cool perk! Question....

I already had a free Pixsy account. I clicked "redeem" while logged in to Pixsy, and it takes me to a Pixsy/Flickr page...and when I click "get started," it takes me to my own free account and no opportunity to link the account and actually redeem.

What do I need to do to see my existing Pixsy account get upgraded to this deal?
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wizbowes says:

The Searcher:

Exactly the same for me as The Searcher. We need to be able to control which pictures are included.
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John Frattura says:

Should I be seeing thumbnails of my images that Pixsy has found elsewhere? Because all it's giving me are the titles of my found images, and the name of the domain using it. No thumbnails, images, or links are shown. Just 100% text.
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Flickr Staff

Leticia Roncero says:

Darren LoPrinzi:

What do I need to do to see my existing Pixsy account get upgraded to this deal?


Hey Darren, If you are already a Pixsy user and had connected your Flickr in the past, simply refresh the connection to activate the new offer.

- Navigate to Images > Imports
- Click on the Flickr import card

You just need to "refresh" your connection and your plan will be automatically updated. Let me know if that works.
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The Searcher says:

John Frattura: I got a warning to turn off adblockers for that domain, saying it could prevent images on the page appearing.
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John Frattura says:

Either I don't know what I'm doing (which wouldn't surprise me), or Pixsy doesn't work too good with Firefox. Or it's not working right now.

Edit: Just tried Chrome, and it now works.
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John Frattura says:

The Searcher:

I got a warning to turn off adblockers for that domain, saying it could prevent images on the page appearing.
I did whitelist Pixsy.
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John Frattura says:

One important warning: Pixsy doesn't filter out harmful sites in the image list that it presents you.

I just clicked on one of my images on Pixsy, and it took me to a site that made my Norton Anti-Virus go beserk.
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ßlϋeωãvε says:

Darren LoPrinzi, Leticia Roncero:

I've been a Pixsy Early Adopter free account holder since 2015 - this includes 20,000 Images monitored, Low priority scanning, 0 Takedown Notices. Redeeming the Flickr offer does nothing even after refreshing my Flickr Imports - but then the offer is for only 1,000 monitored images which is not so useful for many Flickr Pro users with lots of photos, as The Searcher has found out.

You can easily send your own DMCA takedown notices if a legal contact address can be found on the offending website. Pixsy's takedown facility just makes the process a little easier. Either way there's nothing much one can do if the website ignores your request.

Pixsy's website and processes have slowly improved since I joined although there are still lots of false positive matches, and plenty of matches in countries that can't be easily or cost-effectively dealt with. I've had only four successful cases pay out and had to be very patient to see each case run its course.
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JonBauer says:

I already had a Pixsy account, and I can’t get the benefit to show up. Even after following the steps that www.flickr.com/photos/leticiaroncero/ outlined.

- Jon
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Pak T says:

Anyone figured out how to get the 1000 images it randomly selected to monitor to show themselves? I have over 30,000 and no matter which sorting order I pick, none of the 1000 pop up to the top of the list.
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micael18 says:

And why only 1.000 pictures to be monitored, when Pro-members has much more...

Can you buy more yo be monitored?
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Nionyn_ says:

micael18:

Can you buy more yo be monitored?

Yes.
See The Searcher's post above in this same thread:
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157707816298085/#reply7...
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Nionyn_ says:

It's somewhat ironic that only (and precisely) 1,000 images will be monitored by Pixsy in this deal.
That would be perfect for non-paying members, but is going to be well-nigh useless to many paying members to whom this "perk" is being made available (especially since it would appear that the 1,000 monitored images in question can not be specified by the member).

It's almost as though Flickr and Pixsy were deliberately crippling this "perk" (just as some of the other Pro account "perks" are effectively crippled) in order to make people pay more for it...

But surely not...
Brutus is an honourable man Flickr and Pixsy are honourable companies.
Aren't they?
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micael18 says:

Nionyn_:

Yes.... What about to read everything before throwing a post!!! Me clown... But this could have been better. Perhaps, there comes better sites in the future...
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Nionyn_ says:

micael18:

:-)
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

Leticia Roncero:

Flickr Pro members get access to 1,000 monitored images


Doesn't sounld like much of a Pro perk if it only monitors 1000 photos, and if you can sign up to it for free anyway.
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The Searcher says:

Scarlet Pimpernel: The Flickr version has more features than the off-the-street free version (pretty sure). It's a decent deal for the legal options (having them go after cash others made off your work), it's just useless if you can't tell it what images to monitor/protect.

Which you can't.
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littletinperson says:

Leticia Roncero:

yeah. already had a free account. followed your instructions to the letter. didn't work. '1225 images imported. you are 725 over the limit.' limit for free accounts at pixsy is 500, so i'm still operating at the previous limit. now what?

btw ... does this mean that flickr will no longer intercede when others are scraping the site and taking millions of photos? are we headed in the direction where you're expecting us to handle all this ourselves?
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

Yes, Pixsy clearly want to upsell users to their premium tier and do not make deletion of multiple scanned images easy unfortunately.

The Pixsy free trial includes 500 images so Flickr Pro members are only getting an additional 500 images.

I would also be interested to hear about anyone's experience with the legal case submission process. Mine has been disappointing thus far.

The Pixsy website and search engine is excellent however. Their support staff are also very helpful.
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Dom Greves says:

I have made more money by pursuing Pixsy matches than I ever have through stock agency licensing. However expect to do most of the work yourself because the legal case submission process is very selective. This can be time-consuming and deeply frustrating at times.
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Dom Greves says:

Nionyn_:

It's an enhanced free trial, nothing more. I don't see how they could make it profitable otherwise. I don't believe that successful legal cases alone would cover Pixsy's costs so they rely on subscriptions.
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Dom Greves says:

ßlϋeωãvε:

You should check that your 20K limit is still applied. My 5K limit wasn't until I reminded them to reinstate it. It's not clear how often images are scanned for matches and at which tiers, which confuses the value proposition. If Pixsy's legal team covered more countries, or just issued automated invoices in more languages, that would be very helpful. The site is constantly improving however.
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

I'm guessing this is like when you buy a new car that you often get free AA or RAC roadside breakdown assistants. Usually though it's mising services like home start that you need the most. I'm guessing that it would be better to have a payed account without going through Flickr and upload every photo there that you want monitored. You could then also upload all the photos you have on other sites too that you don't have on flickr.
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touchingthelight says:

This is a good perk, thank you. But ...

I've used Pixsy before and have had to invest many hours in removing the hundreds of false positives before it begins to be useful. That's especially true if you have ever photographed an iconic building, for example, from a standard place, or if your image contains a brand or pattern. You'll have hundreds of "Not my Image" ignores to click through.

So yes, it would be very useful indeed to be able to specify which images to monitor.

I've not used the legal process yet. Previously I have sent takedown notices myself and followed up with the BFP (in the UK) if I have had no joy with commercial misuse.
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Bill VanderMolen says:

Seems like another leader to another paid subscription.
I am experiencing the same. It imports a thousand or so images I do not care to monitor. I tried to "remove" those, but you can only select five at a time, and then there is no option to do anything with what is selected.
There is a button however, asking you to pay for an upgrade to bring all the photos in.
Flickr - You probably should not advertise this as a "benefit" of paid subscribers if you wish to show good will.
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Dom Greves says:

touchingthelight:

You can remove the image generating the false positives rather than the false positives themselves. Much quicker.

I'm surprised you've had no luck with commercial misuse. Feel free to Flickr Mail me an example if you like. There are legal templates which have proven to be quite effective for me.
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justingreen19 says:

Only 1,000 images for pro members?
Can we select what images are searchable? and I mean is there an easy way of doing this?
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Rhona Anderson Wildlife & Nature Photography says:

I think this is brilliant, I only got one false positive, surprised to see my images being used all over the world !
One image of a fallow deer was being used on a porn site !!!
It seems that bloggers are the worst offenders in using my images.
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Dom Greves says:

Rhona Anderson Wildlife & Nature Photography:

If you add a small watermark to your images they can't claim they didn't know who copyright belonged to. Removal of a watermark is 'copyright theft' and a more serious offence than 'copyright infringement'.
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The Searcher says:

justingreen19: No, you cannot (that I've yet found). The option for scanning/monitoring is "Flickr" and that's it. But it'll stuff 500+ additional images over the 1000 image limit into the results. It won't monitor those, but you also can't add any other images by hand until you have deleted them.

And you can only delete images one at a time, by first double-clicking the image to bring up its properties page, then finding the "delete" icon, then agreeing to the "are you sure" prompt.

rinse/repeat five hundred times.

I think my next plan is to see if I can UNplug the "Flickr" import, while keeping the Flickr free features. If I can, and it removes everything it imported, then I can add the few dozen images I want it to monitor by hand.

Basically what I would do if it let me choose a specific ALBUM for it to monitor, except with eleventy additional steps.
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John Frattura says:

The Searcher:

I haven't tried, but maybe you could sign up for the free Pixsy account, not the one that you just got from Flickr. Then add each image that you want to monitor. If there are 100's of images (up to 500) that are important to monitor, yeah that could take some time, but adding them all at once, and then having to go through all of the results also takes time (I had 92 pages, of which I only looked at the first 24 or so).

I'm not sure which features the free (non flickr) accounts have, but I did see a page for "Submit a Notice for Free", so I guess it has some perks. Maybe it's basically the same.

As for choosing which images to monitor, I saw where you can choose images stored on your hard drive. Or you could even create a free Flickr account just for this purpose, and add the images you want, then import them all at once.
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The Searcher says:

I just got a response from Pixsy on the bulk delete issue:

"Firstly, you can't bulk delete images from Pixsy. The reason for this is simple, it costs us money to perform scans, so, where we offer a generous free 500 image starter account, if you could bulk delete images you could simply continue to upload and remove in bulk, scanning new batches every time. Which wouldn't be feasible for us.

We don't currently have a way for you to select which Flickr images you wish to sync, unless they are set to public, or private. You can choose for us to only import public images. You can disconnect Flickr and all images currently associated by clicking the X on the Flickr card, reconnecting to Flickr by clicking the card again will sync again."


So they don't give you a way to choose which images to monitor, and they don't give you a way to remove the images you don't want monitored. Which seems extremely short-sighted (by Pixsy and Flickr) considering this deal is only offered to Pro account holders, who are most likely to have more than 1000 images in their photostreams.

We have little incentive to upgrade, if that's their goal, if we never have control over what images are scanned/monitored.
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The Searcher says:

John Frattura: The frustrating thing is that, in spite of a 1000 photo limit, Pixsy scanned 1500 images, telling me I was 500 over the limit and "here are some upgrade options."

So now my account has 500 extra images that were scanned but aren't being monitored, but before I can upload a SINGLE image by hand, I have to first delete those 500 un-monitored images, one at a time. Which is quite a barrier to usefulness.

I know it's a ploy to upgrade, but boy trying to get people to upgrade for the sole reason that they overstuffed my account and have intentionally bad user interface options for deletions?

Not exactly a quality "feature" there.
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

Leticia Roncero:

If you are not currently Pro, this is a great opportunity to upgrade and take advantage of the awesome perks that come with a Pro account.


I cant see this worth upgrading for by far.
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Mike Slade. says:

What happens when you have used the ten takedown notices? I ask because I could use all ten in one short session.
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

Mike Slade.:

What happens when you have used the ten takedown notices? I ask because I could use all ten in one short session.


I guess pay for an upgrade, or open another free account and upload the other offending photos that you want taken down.
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The Searcher says:

Mike Slade.: Takedown notices are relatively easy to do. You would probably just use their scan (which is handy, to have a one stop shop to see all the places posting your content, including links) to target the sites and go send takedown notices yourself.

It's the suing people for money that's hard, and for me at least was the real value of the site. But most of the big ticket illustrations that people copy from me and slap onto shirts and cellphone covers didn't make the cut of their scan, so I can't use that either.
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Silanov says:

I like this partnership. Pixsy has found way more of my photos on commercial websites than any other service. Now I have to reflect about my next step: Should I task Pixsy with recovering compensation or should I mandate a specialised lawyer?

The Searcher:

Takedown notices are relatively easy to do.

Sure, they are easy to do. But whenever I sent somebody a takedown notice in the past, it was more like a game of pure chance. Either they were responsive to my plea or just ignored my multiple notices. My chances were not better than fifty fifty.
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

If copyright infringers are routinely using your images for commercial merchandise then a full Pixsy subscription may be a very worthwhile investment for you I suggest.
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touchingthelight says:

Dom Greves:

Thanks. It's not that I have had no luck; I have managed to recover compensation several times. Just that I've not tried the Pixsy legal process yet, and have used another route through the BFP when the initial takedown notices I have issued have not worked. Pixsy looks to offer a good alternative.
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justingreen19 says:

I have found in the past, that the these image search companies software is always hit and miss.
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CarlaFrancisco says:

I have had positive feedback and effective takedown of photos on 2 of the 7 takedown notices I have sent via Pixsy since yesterday.
I wish this deal would let us issue at least one takedown notice per month, though.
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Mike Slade. says:

I'm doing well with this I issued a take down notice just to try the system out and the reply I got was basically tough luck, I have been redirected to two porn sites and had loads of popups which are a nightmare to get rid of I am running a full AV scan at the moment.

I'm thinking my adventure with Pixsy is over.
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kmacgray says:

Based on the majority of the comments here, it sounds like this particular pro account feature isn't much of one. Not being able to choose which 1,000 photos will be monitored is kind of a showstopper to begin with.

😕
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

Mike Slade.:

I thought the idea of the site is they take them down for you?
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

kmacgray:

I guess its all about making flickr more money. You pay for an upgrade and flickr take a cut from each payed account.
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The Searcher says:

Dom Greves: How do I know if it's a "worthwhile investment" if I can't first test it out? It's the legal representation (going after the money) that's of interest to me, but I can't start any trial processes because Pixsy won't monitor the images I need them to, it filled itself up with images of no commercial consequence, and won't let me delete those to add the ones I need.

If I can't determine if Pixsy can recover at least $240 per year for me, I see no reason to pay them $240 per year (the cost of the "cheapest" membership plan).
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

The Searcher:

$240 per year


Blimey!! I wonder how much of a cut flickr will get from that.
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Crisp-13 says:

Personally I think it's a nice perk to have. As a very amateur photographer. I don't worry too much about people using my pictures, so I've spent an interesting couple of hours looking through the Pixsy matches and finding quite a few sites using my pics. It's nice to see them in action.
However, it also flagged up an image of a book cover on Amazon, which although cropped and with text added was unmistakably one of my images. I've raised a case just to see what happens with that one.
Having it only scan a random selection of a 1000 of my Flickr pictures leaves me curious about the other 8045 but not enough to pay for an upgrade!
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

Do you really need to start by suing them or could you just invoice them with the threat of legal action instead? If you already know who is stealing your inages you could try contacting Pixsy staff directly without waiting for a match to appear in their system. Otherwise just start a free Pixsy trial and upload 500 free pics of your own choosing. The legal case submissions are free to initiate and they take a cut at the end of the process if successful..$240 would not cover a lawyer's fees for long under normal circumstances.
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The Searcher says:

Dom Greves: Whatever legal representation Pixsy promises is what I'm referring to, I'm not using my own lawyers. I've issued dozens upon dozens of invoicing bluffs over the years, often for clear theft and profiteering off my images, with zero success.

And yes it may be worth trying their free account, tho I think the Flickr version offers more of the legal wranglings than the normal free account.

But I'm not hopeful, considering how broken this Flickr trial version is. The inability to choose which images to scan/monitor is utterly incomprehensible. If they're this bad at basic user interface design, I'm not sure they'd be much better at the other aspects of the site.
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

I've had more luck with the invoicing. Only works for businesses with a reputation worth losing and a physical address however. My only experience submitting a legal case via Pixsy was a disappointment.Their EU-based legal firm concluded it wasn't worth their effort despite the infringer being a major publisher within their jurisdiction. Documenting the case was also time-consuming, despite the promise of automation.

I think the reason they gave you makes complete sense from their perspective. 1,000 images at random should return sufficient matches to experiment with. Not much use long-term I agree and a questionable Pro "perk". The 10 DMCA takedowns are not included in the standard Pixsy trial as far as I'm aware. There is no limit on the number of legal cases you can submit at any tier.
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The Searcher says:

Dom Greves: First of all, it's not "random", it's just the 1000 most recent images in a photostream. And no that's not "sufficient" to experiment with, if a photostream is mixed use. I've got travel and other photos in my photostream, and I also have artwork, which is all I want watched/searched. The artwork spans a decade, so it's not the most recent stuff in many cases.

Most of the artworks most prone to theft are older, so they didn't make the cut. And since Pixsy put in 500 images OVER the 1000 limit (that aren't monitored, but they're in there), I can't add any single image by hand, without first deleting those 500 images.

One. at. a. time. Which as Pixsy explained to me, is by design. What they haven't explained to me is if there's a 1000 photo limit, why did they stuff the extra 500 images into my account? That seems a bit shady to me, especially considering it comes with many suggestions to upgrade right next to the overcount.

So I'm stuck with zero images that would have any positive legal cases, because all the stolen/monetized illustrations didn't make the cut, and I can't add them.

very short "experiment" for me.
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Mike Slade. says:

How the hell do you cancel a pixsy account I have been going round in circles, I want to disconnect from this perk asap its not at all what I thought it would be.
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mimbrava says:

The Searcher:

But it looks like Pixsy is gonna monitor a whole bunch of stuff no one's stealing, and not get all of the illustrations I need watched.


I've been registered with Pixsy for years and have, I must say, been disappointed because they find "similar" photos to mine but never any actual thievery. I just get pages and pages of irrelevant "catches."
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Chris-Creations says:

I tried to send takedowns with 2 different images and failed on both. It did not do a good job of finding the correct email address to send the notice to. In the first try it chose godaddy.com and then told me they are unlikely to respond. For the second photo it chose cloudflare.com and told me again that they are unlikely to respond. I suppose it is still better than randomly plugging my images into to tineye.
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Das Boot 160 says:

Mike Slade.:

Go into setting on the bottom left, scroll down and you will see 'Delete Account' hope that helps.
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Mike Slade. says:

Das Boot 160:

Go into setting on the bottom left, scroll down and you will see 'Delete Account' hope that helps.


On that BIG red button that says delete account that I couldn't see 🙄
Thanks for the heads up.
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East Texan the original says:

In brick & mortar (real life)businesses all too often the subcontracting of a business function is more of a cost cutting /direct hire reduction/liability /responsibility reduction action than it is a perk.The quality of the subcontractor is all too often a $$$ decision rather than a quality of services rendered decision..I still believe that Smug /Flickr deserves the benefit of a doubt but judging by the early returns here this was not a quality decision but rather a shifting of responsibilty of functions to a sub therby placing a yet another layer of obstacles in the form filling,time consuming DMCA process and thereby giving Smug /Flickr the out of "please refer to our partner (fill the blank) for this complaint".That this is backhandedly called a pro perk by Smug/Flickr has the stank of past actions by Yayhoo/Flickr all over it.

What is next..the outsourcing of spam reports,design functions,KP reports and etc.? Notice I left out photo editing as that has been tried and had resounding sucess (TIC)....
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

So create another free Pixsy trial account and feed it 500 low-res images from Dropbox etc. if you want to experiment further. They haven't stuffed anything into your account really since all imported images remain on Flickr as I understand it. And yes, of course they're trying to up-sell their premium paid account, it's a fairly transparent marketing promotion.
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Dom Greves says:

East Texan the original:

Why would you expect Flickr to chase your copyright infringements for you? Even commercial stock agencies do a terrible job of that and they take a 50% cut of sales!
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Dom Greves says:

If anyone has found a better alternative to Pixsy for automatically matching large batches of images online then please tell me what it is, because I haven't.
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The Searcher says:

Dom Greves: As I said, I'm hesitant to try experimenting further, with Pixsy's demonstrated lack of basic functionality with it's number one task: scanning photos.

If someone offers me a free ticket to a movie, but the theater is on fire, I'm not inclined to accept the offer, even if the movie was really good.

I've also seen reports from two different friends who received "pay us for this unauthorized image use" demands from Pixsy today (probably due to this new influx of new users). They included a link to the Flickr photo page, which in both cases clearly showed the image was CC licensed and allowed for the way they used the images (blogs in both cases).

Considering Pixsy is importing the images and other user data directly from Flickr, there's no reason they can't include the license applied to the images, and deny users (who often don't understand the licenses they've applied to their images) who tell them to go after people for using those images.

Because it comes off looking like a shakedown to people using the images properly.
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East Texan the original says:

Dom Greves:

Why would you expect Flickr to chase your copyright infringements for you? Even commercial stock agencies do a terrible job of that and they take a 50% cut of sales!

Mine was a statement of business "knowns" about subcontractors and outsourcing....Pray tell where in this thread do I state I expect Flickr to chase down perps to enforce my copyright ? I expect them to enforce their own restrictions and deal with 3rd party pic miners and the per stream settings that they give us.

If you go to Flickr to exercise a DMCA outside Flickr then you are expecting something they do not offer,however if you find a site mining Flickr ...it would seem to be correct to present that site here as a perp so that Flickr members could go to the site and file a DMCA and expect Flickr to shut down the mining.A copyright defense by a 2nd or 3rd party is at best iffy ..If your DMCA does not work then other measures may be taken..I have never expected Flickr to enforce my copyright and do my own DMCAs..

For Flickr to present a search feature that offers help to Pro members in order to enforce their copyright as a promotion of the PRO account is just that...a promotion.There is no data presented ,no sucess rate,and no record of of % of Pixsys free accts vs paid accts success in regard to DMCAs and financial recompense to the copyright holder. Flickr has always encouraged DMCAs and helped individuals via information in "How to" both in HF and in groups.They have made it clear they don't help enforce our copyrights outside of Flickr.

This subcontractor seems to be a just another step that delays the result in filing a DMCA and a way for Flickr and Pixsys to generate revenue as the reviews here are very mixed..Generating revenue is not bad within itself but a consumer should have the necessary information before he/she spends $$$.The employing of what is to many an unknown site by a site that is attempting to revamp to become viable in order to promote a Pro account (sans data) would not seem to be a positive for a consumer..
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This Lighthouse Says says:

Leticia Roncero:

No thanks. How about fulfilling one promise - ‘Flickr login freedom is here’ (Not!) - before offering other superfluous add ons.
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

Pixsy is not on fire. I don't understand your analogy. Setting up a free trial is quick and easy. Feed it a selection of your most-stolen images and you'll be done in minutes.

Their legal teams do not act quickly enough to account for any recent upsurge in notices in my experience. Users' images may exist in multiple libraries under different usage terms. You're required to declare these various terms during the case submission process.
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Dom Greves says:

East Texan the original:

What makes you think Pixsy is subcontracted to Flickr? It's a marketing cross-promotion like every other Pro "perk" as far as I can see.
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

Incidentally, how much did Pixsy charge your friends in settlement?
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The Searcher says:

Dom Greves: $700.

And I'm not suggesting Pixsy is ultimately responsible for a user not understanding their applied licenses. What I'm saying is Pixsy is importing these images FROM Flickr. The license applied to that image is one of the top items on the photo page, and could easily be included with those properties. I see in the case submission page there's a field for "was this ever a CC licensed image". That could be auto-filled, if Pixsy wanted to do so.

While checking out the properties of some images I did spot an illustration Pixsy managed to include in its wayward scanning of my Flickr photos, that is clearly being sold as prints on a U.S. based large commercial site. So I submitted a case for it, and we'll see how they do with it.

As far as the "on fire" analogy. If you can't see how ridiculous it is that to use Pixsy in the most basic way, I have to completely delete the free account set up with Flickr, and/or start an entirely NEW account, because Pixsy's user interface is intentionally designed to be so broken that there's no other way I can submit the images I want them to scan?

Then you may have drunk just a bit too much of their kool-aid.
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bazzadarambler says:

Long ago I realised that my 72 thousand images on Flickr are just a free resource for lots of sites, despite All rights reserved. Here is a typical example
www.flickr.com/photos/bazzadarambler/47553925322/in/datep...
Sometimes people actually ask ... (:0)
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micael18 says:

bazzadarambler:

But why? Your pictures are downloadable right from Flickr! Then, the buses runs directly to the computer!
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bazzadarambler says:

micael18:

Buses?
www.flickr.com/photos/bazzadarambler/albums/7215762339110...
As I'm in a good mood I might make all my images completely copyright free,anyway, and not bother who uses them ... just feel flattered, a kind of fame. Now, next, how do I get something in Explore?
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micael18 says:

bazzadarambler:

HA-HA! This, I can't answer... But you could, if you want, deactivate downloading of pictures, and/or change the largest size to let's say 2048, so no one can take the biggest size of your pictures.

You could also take a look under "Hide your stuff from public searches and "Hide your profile from public searches" and do some changes there...

And by the way... I haven't yet seen ANY of those site, where the original size was aviable from anyone. The latest site where they claimed it was the original picture you could download, there it was only a little thumbnail on only a few kb!! Unusable!
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Silanov says:

I've given it a try now by submitting just one case to Pixsy.

It's the case of a professionial travel blogger, who uses one of my photos rather prominently on her website, that even includes a shop for travel accessories. She has infringed my copyright and she even hasn't linked the picture to the original one in my Flickr photostream, from where she took it. Needless to say that she also hasn't given me credit by naming me as the photographer.

So let's see what will happen in the next few weeks..It's just a trial balloon.
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edlp2k says:

Flickr, thanks for adding this feature. I will have to check it out. It is a nice supplement to DIY copyright work. Just my opinion.
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Livia Lopez says:

I did not get the option to click on ‘redeem’. I pay monthly for my subscription not annually. Can I still have access to Pixsy?
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Dom Greves says:

The Searcher:

While checking out the properties of some images I did spot an illustration Pixsy managed to include in its wayward scanning of my Flickr photos, that is clearly being sold as prints on a U.S. based large commercial site. So I submitted a case for it, and we'll see how they do with it.


Excellent. Good luck with that. Any settlement for that sort of usage would easily cover the Pixsy annual subscription I imagine.

I have several reservations about Pixsy (see above), but until someone can recommend a better alternative I will continue to use them.
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Dom Greves says:

Silanov:

Probably an edge case as far as Pixsy's legal teams are concerned. I thought it was their stated policy not to pursue individual bloggers, but if it's a registered business maybe they'll be tempted. Good luck.
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East Texan the original says:

Dom Greves:

What makes you think Pixsy is subcontracted to Flickr? It's a marketing cross-promotion like every other Pro "perk" as far as I can see.


Well that makes it worse,a sub or outsource has critera to follow and the client has some say so and the sub must keep the client updated .We had a photo editor a while back that had the same undefined relationship status and the parent company gave last minute notice that they would no longer support that editor.The months that followed without an editor and a constant thread here about there being no editor were not pleasant.

Also when Flickr partners in a promo scenario do they share our data ?

IF Pixsys is not acting as a sub and is a free agent promo that could indicate a lack of them giving notice of major changes and or regarding Flickr pro members as a trial /temporary class of consumers.Unless I missed it there is no mention of trial period,no mention of Flickr feedback,or anything that indicates if there is a problem with Pixsys ,that,the Flickr member can expect Flickr to do anything to aid the the member..
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Portishead Point says:

I have, at the moment 24,223 images on Flickr.

For Pixsys to monitor this amount I would have to upgrade, to paying $39 a month (£29.88) Is it going to be worth it?
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Silanov says:

Dom Greves:

Probably an edge case as far as Pixsy's legal teams are concerned. I thought it was their stated policy not to pursue individual bloggers, but if it's a registered business maybe they'll be tempted. Good luck.

And because it is an edge case as far as their legal terms are concerned, I chose this one. Other cases I found by using Pixsy were much clearer.

But I am really interested in seeing how they deal with this one, because in my opinion travel bloggers who make a living from blogging about their travels and selling travel accessories on their website are commercial users beyond all doubt.
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The Searcher says:

Silanov: They also kind of deserve to get dinged for misusing photos out of sheer laziness. For one thing, they're travel bloggers; shouldn't they have their OWN photos if they're legitimately traveling to these locations?

And another, there isn't a square inch of this planet that doesn't have thousands of photographs taken and licensed as Creative Commons. With just a tiny bit of additional work they'd be doing the right thing.

Charge 'em!
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Silanov says:

The Searcher:

Charge 'em!

LOL. I hope I can and Pxsy will help me.
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HaarFager (Pro) says:

Leticia Roncero:

Want to learn more? Check this article in the Flickr Help Center.


Thanks for this link. I checked one at random and found it not to be much of a perk. The free book from Chatbooks actually costs $3.01 plus tax. That's not the definition of free.

They charge $4 for shipping when I can get (and do) all the books I want over at Thriftbooks and they charge .99 cents shipping for a single book. That means, Chatbooks is inflating the shipping charges so that they will actually get paid and make a profit for each "free" book they "give" away. Typical bait and switch in today's world.

How about offers that are actually worth something?
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InnAtElmwood says:

Did anyone notice that you have to have Annual billing, not Monthly for this perk to be redeemable?
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