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please could you provide an opt out for auto tagging
MTIA
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adstads:
We will continue working to constantly improve this feature
Please add an opt out for auto tags.
Auto tagging without an opt out option is BOO! HISS!
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+1 on opt out option for auto tags
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+2 on opt out for auto tags please. I don't want a robot deciding what tags are appropriate on MY photos!
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Auto tagging may be useful for those who can't think for themselves, but they may be better of without tags anyway.
I appreciate that people should more about titles, descriptions and tags.
But for those of us who do, it is a pain in the a**e.
Make it optional, and do an option to delete in organizer, or cancel it altogether.
Whatever makes you think that robots understand my photos?
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+3 on opt out.
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adstads:
Improve?
Who asked for it?
The only way to improve it, is to get rid of it.
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Opt out on auto tags soonest please. So if I have already tagged an image with cat, you will auto tag them again?
If no opt out then a faster batch way of removing wholly unwanted and intrusive tags.
Gosh, I must be being monetised. Who'd have thought it in this day and age?
"surface" - you surely mean find?
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In my "Privacy & Permissions" settings, I have selected only "Friends" and "Family" can add tags to my photos, and I am not friends with Friendly Robot. :)
Seriously though, I think the option to have Flickr auto-tag or not would be a good idea.
Or, perhaps, a checkbox when we upload new photos allowing us to decide which photos to auto-tag or not.
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Opt out option asap, please!
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I am particularly not a fan of this. Some of the past aesthetic and visual changes were good, some were bad, but that's just my opinion.
This is different because it feels like flickr is proactively altering our content. It seems like a minor process that might be appreciated by many (as I'm sure it will) but I wonder if it might be a bad idea:
• Some people are on flickr not to be viewed by as any strangers as possible, but to share photos in the manner they would like to, and auto tagging at least gives the feeling that the use of flickr in a more modest way is obsolete.
• People's photos can be highly personal and they might attach very specific feelings (and terms) to them, and auto-tagging will likely criss-cross over users' heartfelt borders about their images. I know of several people who would actually leave for this reason alone.
• Frankly, any feature that puts our personal content through a process that identifies something about it and then adds specific labels or tags feels lucky. Certain social networking sites have lost a lot of traffic from users who have felt like control of their own content is being taken away from them.
Personally, I may not have these reactions to the auto-tagging, but it seems inevitable that this feature will greatly bother a lot of people. Some of the layout changes are very disappointing to me, but I would say that's subjective and due to my particular taste for straightforward presentation and my aversion to fussy aesthetics or simplicity (again, totally subjective!). When it come to sifting through our content (which we should admit will always happen) and then _changing_ aspects about it in an automated way, many users will find this very bothersome.
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Opt out option should be a given here. The rest of the changes look good though.
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Nick Auskeur edited this topic 18 months ago.
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I don't want them, but we will have to have it as flickr has Never listened to us in the past so why would they start now ? This is the most intrusive change so far.
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I HATE this auto tagging
Firstly because tagging is personal
Secondly because the auto tags are SO WRONG e.g. tagging dolls as 'people' and 'child' on my photos!
Please give me an opt out asap!
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Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics:
1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Well I want to be able to tell these robots to 'butt out', but I am unable to do so. That's Law 2 kicked into touch.
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It should be up to the individual how his or her photographs are catalogued not to Yahoo! By taking this right away from us Flickr/Yahoo are also taking away part of the ownership of our photographs.
I feel bullied by auto tagging.
I will not correct inaccurate tags because by doing so I am helping "to improve the experience". I want this experience to FAIL.
I want to be able to opt out of auto tags I do not want to help in their use.
I am considering whether to add my own inaccurate tags as a protest
Some of these points I have already made on another thread but a chap called Matthew Almon Roth told us to "bring it to the Official Thread"
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Yes need opt out option!
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As stated almost unanimously above you must have an opt out. This and batch edit of auto-tags must be introduced in the near future.
I tag my photographs, you don't.
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Colonel Blink:
+1
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it also tagged the family portraits as Child. Definitely NOT needed as a searchable tag !
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Little little mouse:
Tagging is and should be personal - great care goes into this task by the best contributors.
The wrong tags vary from baffling to extremely annoying.
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you don't get to tag MY pictures ...i wanna opt out ... and now
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Your Auto Tag simply don't work for me !
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Okay, since you closed my thread I am going to come here to reiterate my point: please for the love of photography, give us an OPT OUT!!!
While I understand the need for SEO and maximizing ad revenue, false information/advertising as a result of bad (and sometimes even disturbing) tags is not the way to go. Let people choose what they want and everybody is a lot happier.
But of course, I am prob. just naive to think that Flickr will care about "happiness" or "choice".
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nm
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Giant_Schnauzer edited this topic 18 months ago.
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"And, as always, Flickr treats privacy very seriously by respecting your settings." Ha! But only the settings you allow as options.
I don't think you can monetize the frustration and outrage of your users...
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MabelAmber® ***Pluto5339*** Queen of Streetshots:
Reading between the lines, they are NOT going to provide an opt-out. They will make it possible to "batch edit" the tags, but you can't just opt out.
We can all dream on...
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I gladly redirect my original comment to this redirect-thread, here it is:
Auto tagging is an extremely intrusive measure, and once again it takes the user's autonomy away from them. Just like that damn fool idea of resetting the Safe Search filters a notch after clicking through the warning screen.
What the heck are the thought processes behind these daft decisions? Are we just a bunch of kids kept under tutelage or what?
Flickr, you should add an OPT IN and an OPT OUT option!
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Tea in Europe:
it also tagged the family portraits as Child. Definitely NOT needed as a searchable tag !
When I found that tag added to one of my photos, it was as a "private" tag, searchable only be me, friends, and family. Is it not a "private" tag on yours?
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Flickr's way of treating paying Pro-account holders is unbelievably horrible !! Asking for opinions and never listen to them.
Every single account holder should have a right to decide whether to use auto tagging or not.
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Adding my voice to adding a configuration setting to turn off auto-tagging. Why do I have to do extra work for each image removing the tags you added?
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There should definitely be a "remove all auto-tags" option and an opt-out option.
Also, the current auto-tags are pointless, identifying the least important and most generic aspects of an image (e.g., outdoors, water, vehicle, architecture, group shot). It is the particulars of those things that make tagging useful.
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Whidbey LVR:
Also, the current auto-tags are pointless, identifying the least important and most generic aspects of an image (e.g., outdoors, water, vehicle, architecture, group shot).
Pointless indeed to us users, BUT the effect is to make the "views" count skyrocket so they could raise the price of their ads.
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I don't see that Flickr has added any tags to any of my photos -- yet. Is it just for new uploads, or is it retroactive, like when Flickr added "#4" tag to any image that had the number sign and the numeral four in the description?
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Wil C. Fry:
is it retroactive
yes it is
For instance, they added "people" and "group shot" to your last image and "blackandwhite" and "monochrome" and "outdoor" to your very first image, April 29, 2005 . I looked no further.
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Giant_Schnauzer edited this topic 18 months ago.
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Wil C. Fry:
I don't see that Flickr has added any tags to any of my photos -- yet. Is it just for new uploads, or is it retroactive, like when Flickr added "#4" tag to any image that had the number sign and the numeral four in the description?
I think the rollout on this is being gradual.
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They have added the tag "photo border" to over ten million photos. What use is that??
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Wil C. Fry:
I don't see them on the photo page either, but I can see them in the Flickr API calls they make from the page. I guess my page UI wasn't updated yet.
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I’ve been ticked off at Flickr a number of times before – mainly for their tradition of surprising its members with major changes without previous notification.
But Autotagging is a whole new level of stupidity. This process is a HUGE disservice for all those who search. Who on Earth thought it would be a good idea to implement a practice which guarantees a decreased quality of search results.
What’s the point? Shouldn’t members/authors/photographers be responsible to indicate the tags THEY want? There is no way to go through all of our pictures to delete the stupid tags Flickr’s “friendly robots” added.
Add me to the “Want an Opt Out” list.
And while we're at it, have you guys ever thought about sending out a message to your members BEFORE you make changes?
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Wil C. Fry:
Forgot one thing - it seems to be a background process that does the tagging, so auto-tags appear after a while. I don't know how far Flickr will go in to the past.
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It has added them as far back as my first post back in 2008 so I think its global on the stream. Lets hope some bright spark programmer comes up with an app to let us delete them.
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I have over 2000 photos on Flickr, which is probably a drop in the ocean compared to many other members. Are we expected to go back through our entire photostream to remove the tags that we don't want?
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Tris ('Esmeralda'):
Yes; Flickr knows what is best for you and the rest of us.
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I dread to think what auto-tags pornographic images will get.
(No please don't answer that)
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Tris ('Esmeralda'):
I have nearly 19000 and I have already started the task of reversing this piece of stupidity.
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Tea in Europe:
Same here, goes back to 2008/9.
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Along with an opt-out, it would be nice if there were a batch/bulk tag edit option (at least I don't know of one). So for those that say universally don't want "photo border" on any of our images, it would be easy to remove it globally.
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Is this some kind of joke what a piece of absolute garbage. Just uploaded one and the tags are "Outdoors" and Border" ....opt out required ASAP
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As usual, is right again.
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I like this I think, but I didn't get any auto tags on todays image? Maybe I didn't need any more. I like we can delete the tags if we want. :-)
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Adding to the list of annoyed long-time Pro Flickr members, there should definitely be a "remove all auto-tags" option and an opt-out option. In fact, make opting out the default!
I'm a librarian. I've carefully and comprehensively tagged all my photos going back to 2007, all 11,000+ of them. In one fell swoop, Flickr has wrecked my system of keywords. No, birds are not airplanes, and vice-versa! And bicycles are definitely not motorcycles, last time I checked. Sheesh.
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Old Fogey 1942:
No please don't answer that
I'll answer it anyway. All of my schnauzer photos were auto tagged "indoors" or "outdoors" so I then searched for "indoors" and found vast numbers of pornographic photos auto tagged ONLY with that word...
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Just the latest shitty piece of arrogant and stupid "we know best and we'll do what we want with your photopages and photostreams" action by Flickr.
Opt-out and bulk delete facility, please.
As soon as possible would be good.
Today, preferably.
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flickr admits it doesn't work and yet still persists with it? Roll it out when it works as it is supposed to and code a warning with link to disable the feature if you don't want to use it. Is that really not too much to ask?
My pic of a fighter jet gets bird and animal added as tags. How useless and frustrating to anyone searching ending up with that in their search results? Appalling programming. Please stop it.
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Mr.TinDC:
Sorry didn't read yours before I posted. Agree entirely and share your frustration.
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Uploaded a micro photograph of a dead Dragonfly. The title was "Blonde Tresses." Flickr autotagged it with the tag, "Food." Seriously? I guess flickr thinks that either dead Dragonflies or blonde hair is to be eaten. I removed flickr's useless and inappropriate tag.
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Can we have the option to turn them off please ?
Just about everything is now Tagged with Outdoors...
I took just a few minutes to see all these mistakes in the Auto Tags ....
Coral instead of Stones or Rocks
Coral instead of Rotten Apple
Vehicle instead of Boat or Ship
Plant instead of Sculptures
Court Game and Sport instead of Sculpture
Vehicle and Ferry instead of Fort
Animal and Insect instead of Plant
Motorcycle and Bike instead of Tractor
Monochrome instead of Colour
Country House instead of Town House
Wheel instead of Sundial
Animal and Insect instead of Caterpillar
Auto Racing and Sport instead of Lifeboat and Tractor
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What's the point of giving me the option to set my privacy setting to "Only me" being able to add tags, when you ignore my privacy and add yours to my pictures?
Not only is this an invasion of my privacy, most of these auto tags aren't even relevant to the pictures.
Give me an "opt out" choice or I will opt to go elsewhere.
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Relax its just a little joke after all nobody with an IQ in double figures would ever do anything so stupid would they? I expect some genius has been dismissed and this is his way of getting back at Yahoo
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If you want to improve it, turn it off or better give us the choice to turn it off. I don't want to have to go through all my pictures to remove tags i don't want.
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adstads:
Before, our search could only rely on text, date, and location (when available)
That was good.... The new search still says Full Text . But nothing to say it's searches for images without words ..
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The 'powers that be' at Flickr/Yahoo have found yet another way to annoy its users and subscribers. I DO NOT need nor want the 'auto tagging' feature. Please give me the option to OPT-OUT asap. This meddling will only cause even more users to leave Flickr.
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taiGarual ☼ Laura G edited this topic 18 months ago.
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Turn it off, it's useless...or let me opt out.
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+ on opt out.
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*S.B.Photography*:
Here here
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Roy57:
Or even hear hear.
OPT OUT!!
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I don't want to see my iphone photo's on my flickr account! I know that nobody can see them but I don't want to see them there either!! If I wanted them on Flickr I would have put them there!!
How can I turn it off!!??
Carolien
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CarolienCadoni..:
Start new thread
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Yes opting out is essential but I notice that if we click on a tag on a person photo it still doesn't show us their other photos with that tag. I'm sure that's something people have been asking for ever since we lost that feature so maybe giving people what they want could be a good step.
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adstads:
Am I correct when I assume that these robot-generated tags were already there for quite some time and used for flickr-wide searches (leading to some very weird results where no correlation could be found between tags, title & description and search results) but only today have been made visible to us?
@ all: Has anyone here been participating in tests for this feature?
My 2cts so far:
Tags added are mostly generic, pointless or inaccurate. I rather tag myself. That said, I don't worry too much about my images showing up in searches when not relevant. It might be different when you upload more sensitive content, people portraits, family snapshots etc
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I think there's a misperception that this auto-tagging feature is new. It is not, they've been using it for about a year now. What they've rolled out today is making the auto-tags VISIBLE and EDITABLE to us.
While I also favor a complete opt-out option, making the auto-tags visible has been a top request of users for many months, so we could begin to see and control how the image recognition system tagged our images. So I would see today's new feature (making the tags visible and deletable) as a big step in the right direction (with a full opt-out hopefully coming next). Any tags you see that are wrong have been wrong for a YEAR. It is just today that we finally get to do something about it.
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The Searcher:
You confirmed what I thought.... Did you personally participate in testing? I myself have never seen those tags before.
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Ger Bosma: While most of the tags are generic and pointless to those of us who tag our images, I think the intent was to tag the many millions of images that arrive on Fllckr with no tags at all. For people who upload thousands of images at a time, auto-tags could be pretty useful.
In fact I wonder why that wasn't the focus. Maybe the system should IGNORE images that already have tags on them, and just auto-tag images that had none.
[edit: the visible tags are new, but there have been many threads in the Help Forum over the past year discussing the "hidden" auto-tags. Staff confirmed how they worked on a few occasions as well. They accidentally turned this show-tags feature on a couple months ago, so some people got a sneak peek for a few hours.]
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I thought I would be able to see the new tags in my tag list so I could easily curate ones I didn't want. But, they are not there. I saw there was a 'You have 13 untagged photos' link, which was probably true before today, so clicking that popped me over to Organizr. It loaded those images, which of course had tags on them.
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I'm probably wasting my time posting this because Flickr never makes any changes requested by users, but I don't want auto tagging!!!!!
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Kevin: yeah I have yet to find any way to batch edit wrong tags. For example that "photo border" tag is used on a bunch of my images, but I can't find a way to select all of those images and batch remove that tag.
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NO, NO, NO.
Auto-tagging is offensive and unwanted. I don't want random strangers being *led* to my images if I didn't choose the tag -- I am very scrupulous when tagging, and I don't use vague tags like "people" for portrait photos.
My Flickr stream is public, so of course people can stumble across me -- but I deliberately don't join "cats" or "people" photo communities, because I want to avoid the cluttered awards and random activity.
Please make auto-tagging OPTIONAL, and if you insist on offering a 2-landscape-photo-wide option, at least make it OPT-IN rather than mandatory!!
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The Searcher:
I think the intent was to tag the many millions of images that arrive on Fllckr with no tags at all
That's a far better idea. Images without any tags may indeed benefit from having some added if they are to the point and not too vague ('outdoors' for example). Still it should be up to the user to decide whether they want that to happen. Images with more than say 5 tags c/should be ignored.
Let's make no mistake about it, the flickr yahoo business model is now predicated on ads, so images that are dead weight and cannot be found serve precious little purpose from that point of view.
Thanks for the other info as well.
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Please, no auto-tagging. I'm very careful as I don't want undesirables, such as predators to be attracted to my kid photos. I don't want those gross "award" things either.
Please make it easy to get out of - an nice clean "opt-out".
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Another one for an opt out option please.
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Opt out button please. I put my own tags in every picture uploaded and now I have to go through every photograph in my stream to delete what I never wanted in the first place or I would have tagged it so!
Am I expected just to sit back and be lazy once my photograph has uploaded and let flckr do the recognition of the key elements of that picture or embrace having my own brain engaged in that process! Yes have Auto Tagging as some will appreciate it, But give us the choice.
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I just noticed the addition of flickr auto-tags on my most recent images. I find this feature patronising and downright intrusive.Please desist this auto-tagging or at least give me an opt-out button. Why should I have to waste my time deleting the useless tags? I pay to use Flickr, no that that seems to count for much in terms of customer service and listening to what customers want.
To sum up: I'd like an 'opt-out' for this patronising meddling with my images' tags.
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Giant_Schnauzer:
The closing of the other thread by Flickr was their greatest act of cowardice yet. A lot of us went to great lengths to present our concerns. The truth was just too embarrassing it seems.
By redirecting two threads on the same topic, we're being cowards? I thought of it as housekeeping. Pretty common thing to do with duplicate threads here.
Feel free to make your points in this one.
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Ger Bosma:
Images with more than say 5 tags c/should be ignored.
I'd go further than that and replace your 5 with a 1. A good many people have just one or two relevant tags that do the job honestly and efficiently. Adding 3 or 4 generic tags can only hurt both the poster and the searcher.
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+1,653,452 on an opt out for auto tagging.
Thanks for your time, Flickr.
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+1,653,452 on an opt out for auto tagging.
Thanks for your time, Flickr.
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Ger Bosma: Another issue is tags serve multiple purposes on the site, both public searches and personal in-photostream searches/organizing. Beyond the advertising angle you suggested, Flickr is now trying to move into a cloud-storage space, where every photo we take is automatically copied here (set to "private"). The new Camera Roll is designed to leverage this storage and aid in organization (and now there's finally a bulk-download feature to make it actually useful).
So for people auto-uploading many thousands of images, having auto-generated tags could be very useful for organizing and finding these untitled/undescribed images (not everyone carefully curates their stuff).
Unfortunately these tags are used for public facing searches as well, which don't always serve the same goals. I saw that for certain tags they'd make the "private" tags (like "child"). It would be useful if we could set these tags to "private" ourselves, instead of just deleting them. That way I could use them for personal organization, but it wouldn't affect how they're searched for publicly.
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Please get rid of this. This is really dreadful. If I want to tag a photo, I'll tag the photo, with the tags I want to give it.
I don't need my pictures of baboons tagged as children, thank you.
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Giant_Schnauzer:
The closing of the other thread by Flickr was their greatest act of cowardice yet.
I know you're not new to the Help Forum.
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Matthew Almon Roth:
Feel free to make your points in this one.
Hi Matthew-
With respect, I felt that Flickr's banishing the earlier thread to oblivion after many folks had spent time giving their opinions was unfair. Flickr did not start their thread until two hours had passed since the member's thread was started. Many members (not including me) had spent a lot of time and energy posting their feelings.
original member's thread
Posted at 10:14AM, 7 May 2015 EDT
flickr's thread
Posted at 12:13PM, 7 May 2015 EDT
You could have cut/pasted the original thread into yours if you wished. Not so clear about the housekeeping.
Cheers
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Provide an opt out for autotagging! I have far too many photos to spend time deleting all the MANY, MANY incorrect tags that have now been added to my images. For heaven's sakes, this isn't MySpace. Your users have triple digit IQs and can tag their own photos. Or not tag them, if that's what they prefer. Gah ...
Posted 18 months ago.
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Flickr - "Oh look, there's a foot. I think I'll shoot myself in it. AGAIN."
Posted 18 months ago.
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picturesoflilies:
Definitely agree! Thanks for the smile!
Posted 18 months ago.
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Bringing this to the official thread, as requested:
Buddha's Ghost said:
All of my Native American dancer photos have been autotagged with "costume", which is a term that is found offensive by Native Americans. It is "regalia", not a "costume". Now I must go through all of my photos and delete the offending tags, so I don't look like a douche.
I had checked my powwow photos and didn't see this. But you're right. No need to follow police orders when it's just a bunch of folks in costumes.
Posted 18 months ago.
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Giant_Schnauzer:
Amen, thank you, exactly. By closing that thread, you (Matthew) are essentially forcing it to sink to the bottom of the page (wait, it's not even on the first page anymore! I am floored) so nobody will ever see it, thus covering up all the displeasure people have already expressed. Please don't insult our intelligence.
The truth will come out, whether you banish the thread or not. Responses to this "official" thread is proof enough.
Posted 18 months ago.
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In my preference settings only I can add tags, so please provide an option to disable "tags by robots". I have nothing against innovations but this feels a bit intrusive.
Posted 18 months ago.
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kwtraveller:
Giant_Schnauzer:
JFC, there's no conspiracy.
Staff closed the other thread and redirected discussion here so there aren't multiple threads floating around. It's easier for staff and other members to follow the discussion if it's all in one place.
Posted 18 months ago.
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Incorrect auto-tags lead to incorrect categorisation in Magic View. I started removing some of the more obviously wrong auto-tags, but then realised that life is too short for that sort of thing. I'd like the option to opt out of auto-tagging, please.
Posted 18 months ago.
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picturesoflilies:
hahaha make you right.
Posted 18 months ago.
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opt out solution
please quickly
or I leave flickr
crazy thing
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