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[Staff Response] Yahoo Account Deactivated

oschene PRO says:

Yahoo has sent me email, saying my Yahoo account will be deactivated if I don't log in to it by July 15th. Logging into Flickr doesn't count, I assume. If Yahoo deactivates my account, will I still be able to log into Flickr?

Thank you very much for your assistance in this matter.
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Thea Lamkin (staff) edited this topic 60 months ago.

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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

I have never ever logged into any of the yahoo accounts tied to my various Flickr accounts, they must have been deactivated long ago but it never affected the accessibility of the Flickr accounts.
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Patrick Costello PRO says:

oschene:

That probably relates to the Yahoo email account, not the general Yahoo account. I've never used my Yahoo email account. I'd guess mine was deactivated in 2005 :-)
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BeeFortyTwo PRO says:

"If Yahoo deactivates my account, will I still be able to log into Flickr?"

No, you won't!
At least, if you registered your Flickr account with a Yahoo-account (like most people have!), that Yahoo-account needs to exist to be able to login to you Flickr-account, even if you login via Google or Facebook. It needs a working Yahoo-account!

I found that out the hard way 6 months ago..
As long as you are logged in to your Flickr account on some computer, you still have the option to connect it to a new/different Yahoo-account after the other one has been de-activated. But, if you are logged out, you have a very serious problem: Yahoo's helpdesk willingness to co-operate is almost non-existent.

If you really want to get rid of your Yahoo-account (like me), your only option is to start a NEW Flickr-account (like me).
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

BeeFortyTwo:

"If Yahoo deactivates my account, will I still be able to log into Flickr?"

No, you won't!


If what you say in your post is true then I would not be able to access any one of my five Flickr accounts, since all the Yahoo email accounts they are tied to have been deactivated years ago. And I always log out to log back in.
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BeeFortyTwo PRO says:

MabelAmber® ***Pluto5339*** Queen of Streetshots:

Then your Flickr-accounts were not tied to those Yahoo-email accounts at the time they were created.

There have been numerous threads about this issue:
when you create your Flickr-account, via a Yahoo-account (and for many years this was the only option), the working of your Flickr-account is always depending on whether that Yahoo-account still exits.
The only option you have, is to re-connect your Flickr-account with a different Yahoo-account.

Like I said, I found this out the hard way: if your Flickr-account is dear to you, do not take the risk. Or, at least be very very sure you are still logged in to your account on some computer after your Yahoo-account gets deleted.
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ColleenM says:

BeeFortyTwo:

Flickr-account is always depending on whether that Yahoo-account still exits.


Not at all true.

My Yahoo! account deactivates fairly regularly. I think it has deactivated 4 or 5 times since I set up this account.

I log in and out of Flickr regularly, but don't usually pay attention to the Yahoo! account until I send a Help Case to staff. Then I know that I need to have access to the email, since that email account is also my contact email for Flickr.

I routinely have to reactivate that account so I can receive emails again. But, in the meantime, my access to Flickr has not changed, nor my Pro status, nor anything else related to Flickr use.
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ColleenM says:

BeeFortyTwo:

after your Yahoo-account gets deleted.


Are you talking about Yahoo! staff deleting your account? Or are you talking about your account going inactive for lack of use.

If staff have deleted your Yahoo! account because you broke some rules, then the situation may be different. But simply letting it go inactive by failing to log in to the Yahoo! account will not have an effect on your Flickr access.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

BeeFortyTwo:

Then your Flickr-accounts were not tied to those Yahoo-email accounts at the time they were created.

They were. And they still are. But I don't reactivate them since I have no use for those email accounts.
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BeeFortyTwo PRO says:

Like I said: what that means is that in your case your yahoo-account was not connected to your Flickr. That's possible, but you are a minority..

Please, don't confuse the man, because the problem is VERY serious when you loose your Yahoo-account when you're Flickr is connected to it. There is a very serious chance this man will lose his Flickr-account if he listens to your advice.

I was lucky I was still logged in on a desktop in my 2nd home, and was able to restore things, but Yahoo hardly reacts in these situations, and only gives useless generic answers.
(In the end I decided to delete my Flickr-account anyway, and start all over, without having an obligatory Yahoo-account.)

Don't take the risk: make sure your Yahoo-account isn't de-activated.
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ColleenM says:

BeeFortyTwo:

without having an obligatory Yahoo-account.)

You actually have a Yahoo! account if you created a new Flickr account with either Facebook or Google credentials. Yahoo! simply created it in the background when you used those credentials.

There is no way to have a Flickr account without having an attached Yahoo! ID. A deactivated Yahoo! account does not affect your access to Flickr.

If your Yahoo! ID is deleted it may cause problems, but not if it is simply deactivated.

All of my Flickr accounts are connected to Yahoo! IDs that have been inactive in the past. None of them are inaccessible to me, no matter what the state of activity or inactivity on the Yahoo! accounts.
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BeeFortyTwo PRO says:

seriously... :/
dear mr. oschene: just don't take the risk!
Yahoo is currently in a process to actually delete de-activated accounts (to make them available to new people).

In my case: it was me who deleted my Yahoo-account (because I didn't think I was using it for anything, since I used my Google-account to log in to my Flickr. Yahoo doesn't give any warning that this might affect your Flickr-account i such a case..)

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BeeFortyTwo PRO says:

"There is no way to have a Flickr account without having an attached Yahoo! ID."
Wrong. This has changed. I'm now a Flickr-member using my Google-account. (I wouldn't have signed up if that weren't the case: I don't want a Yahoo-account).

And again: Yahoo announced that de-activated accounts are going to be re-used for new members, meaning they will get deleted.

You are trying to put a big risk on someone's Flickr-account. It's not funny, if one day you find you can't access your own account.
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ColleenM says:

BeeFortyTwo:

. I'm now a Flickr-member using my Google-account.


And there is an associated Yahoo! ID. Yahoo! creates those in the background when you use either a Facebook or Google credential to create a Flickr account.
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DaveLPG PRO says:

This might be related. Yahoo is doing some housekeeping of their email environment.

yahoo.tumblr.com/
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ColleenM says:

DaveLPG:

Thanks for that! Here's the key quote:

So, how are we making these Yahoo! IDs available? We’re freeing up IDs, that have been inactive for at least 12 months, by resetting them and giving them a fresh start. In mid July, anyone can have a shot at scoring the Yahoo! ID they want. In mid August, users who staked a claim on certain IDs can come to Yahoo! to discover which one they got.

What if you haven’t logged into Yahoo! for over a year, but want to keep your Yahoo! ID? It’s easy. All you have to do is log on to any Yahoo! product before July 15th.


Looks like logging in to Flickr will be enough.
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Flickr Staff

Thea Lamkin says:

Hey guys, wanted to clear this up.

If you don't use your Yahoo! Mail for an extended period of time, your Mail account may be deactivated. If you only use Flickr and used a Y!ID to register, the Y!ID may become inactive even if you log in to Flickr regularly.

However, this shouldn't affect your ability to log into Flickr, nor will your Y!ID be recycled (Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program).
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ColleenM says:

That's a great help, Thea. Thanks for the clarification.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Thea Lamkin:

Thanks Thea.
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ausfi says:

Thea Lamkin:

(Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program).

That is good, I was sure that would be the case because I know that many have several accounts, I have three, and it is not logical that you would need to use three email accounts from the same source at the same time.
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peterw13 says:

Yeah, but what happens if you ever need to recover your password or ID? The last time I did that it tried to log me in through Yahoo! and I got stuck because the emergency address I had in there is long, long dead. Now you're telling me that Yahoo! itself will just refuse to acknowledge I exist period?
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Patrick Costello PRO says:

peterw13: Change your email contact details to an active email account. Mine is using a gmail account.
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mag3737 PRO says:

I "never" use Yahoo mail, but I've had the account since 1990-something and I don't want it to go away. I logged in today to beat July 15th, but should I start remembering to log in every X months to keep saving it? How many is X?
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iansand PRO says:

Thea Lamkin:

Do I have to log out and log back in again, or is remaining logged in sufficient?
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@harryh says:

Thea Lamkin:

I hope you guys consider freeing up old/unused IDs on flickr as well. I've coveted one there for years that's occupied by a dead account. Would pay real $ for this!
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

mag3737:

I "never" use Yahoo mail, but I've had the account since 1990-something and I don't want it to go away. I logged in today to beat July 15th, but should I start remembering to log in every X months to keep saving it? How many is X?


Unless I am misunderstanding Thea Lamkin but I gather from her reply that you won't need to take resort to that, notably part two:

However, this shouldn't affect your ability to log into Flickr, nor will your Y!ID be recycled (Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program).
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

Thea Lamkin:

However, this shouldn't affect your ability to log into Flickr, nor will your Y!ID be recycled (Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program).


Apparently they aren't, Ms. Lamkin. I received one of those warning letters, myself, regarding the account in which I am logged into, as I write this. It's a charming story, some of which I share in this discussion. I've been logging into that account regularly for over 10 years, and am now on the verge of losing it, because somebody on Yahoo's staff has decided to create his own reality and pretend that I haven't been logging in. This, among other things, means that I now get to sift through the 8,310 emails that have accumulated in my box over the years, looking for registration emails, so that after Yahoo takes my email address away from me, whoever gets it won't be able to steal my identity on the sites on which I registered using my Yahoo address. But I guess it's all good, because Yahoo gets to issue a press release?

I'd have to say that at this point, Yahoo is looking pretty darned evil from my point of view. One of your company reps said that Yahoo wasn't concerned with the issue of identity theft. I don't doubt that, because it's not happening to any of you. It's happening to us, because of one phenomenally bad choice some of us made. We decided to trust you guys.

What were we thinking about?
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mag3737 PRO says:

Café Diablo:

When you have issues with your account, your best course of action is to use "help by email" to contact staff directly. Use the "Need help? Start here" link at the bottom, and then select the option for "I have another problem not listed here".

I can't think of any realistic reason why Yahoo would be conspiring to steal your account from you.
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

mag3737:

I guess you live in a world in which businesspeople never do anything dishonest. There are times when I've been tempted to move into that world, but I just can't afford the recreational pharmaceuticals needed to get me there. I'd be a little worried about the side effects, too.

The quote I cited in the other discussion is directly on point.


"'If you're like me, you want a Yahoo! ID that's short, sweet, and memorable like albert@yahoo.com instead of albert9330399@yahoo.com,' wrote Jay Rossiter, Yahoo's senior vice president for platforms, in a blog post Wednesday.

By mid-July, users will get to apply for IDs of their choice, and will find out which one they have got by mid-August.

While trying to attract new users and retain current active users with IDs of their choice, the company is also giving inactive users the opportunity to retain them. "All you have to do is log on to any Yahoo! product before July 15th," Rossiter wrote. In future, these accounts will remain active by signing in at least once every 12 months, according to a Yahoo help notice, titled 'We want you back.'"



There's your motive for dishonesty, and it comes straight from the company, itself. No speculation required.
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mag3737 PRO says:

Belief that Yahoo is not stealing my email address is not inconsistent with the content of that article. They're going to reuse inactive IDs. Yours is (as you have stated repeatedly) not inactive.
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

mag3737:

They're going to reuse inactive IDs.


Sigh. No, that's the spin - and anybody who is as old as you obviously are has been around long enough to know what "churning" is. Or what the word "disingenuous" means.

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mag3737 PRO says:

Café Diablo:

anybody who is as old as you obviously are has been around long enough to know what "churning" is. Or what the word "disingenuous" means.

Yes, but I don't happen to believe either one applies.

Are you going to try the remedy I suggested? Or are you just going to continue to argue about whether Yahoo is lying to you? If the former, I'd like to hear how it works out. If the latter, that's enough of this conversation for me.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

On June 14th, immediately after Thea Lamkin's reassurance that Yahoo ID's tied to Flickr accounts would be exempted from the recycling program, I too did receive that email from Yahoo *We want you back* ==

Keep your account active by signing in before July 15th, 2013.

By reactivating your Yahoo! account you can experience the new Yahoo! Mail, more personalized content on Yahoo.com, and so much more.

Once your account is reactivated, every time you sign in, your account will be extended by 12 months.

Need to reset your password?
Assistance is here!

Have additional questions?
Visit Customer Care


If what Staff says above is valid, namely that Yahoo ID's tied to Flickr accounts are exempted from the recycling program, I should NOT have received that summons to reactivate, because the ID on hand is tied to this account I am posting from now, to which I log in each and every day.
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FlyButtafly PRO says:

Café Diablo:

I've seen you in action, before, Mag. You're one of the company shills. This is not a secret.

This is a blatant personal attack and is not only completely untrue, but is grounds for an abuse report.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro PRO says:

Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program

good, because i never sign-in to read my yahoo mail.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

loupiote (Old Skool) pro:

However.... some people are evidently subject to inconsistencies:

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157634102743482/#reply7...
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

mag3737:

Are you going to try the remedy I suggested?


Again, asked and answered: see the comments at the start of a discussion I know you've seen, because you posted to it: here. Quoting my own comment


"Fun part: One can't explain the problem in a support ticket to Yahoo, because some bright fellow has reprogrammed the system so one won't have enough space to enter anything much longer that the title of one's report."


I won't do it, not because I'm not willing to, but because it can't be done. The company has seen to that. I suppose I could try the Flickr contact form, and see if that's been "improved" in the same way, when I get up tomorrow, but if it has been, what am I supposed to do about that? Hack the site?

The form design is what it is.
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mag3737 PRO says:

Flickr's help-by-mail is what I suggested, not Yahoo's support tickets. Do as you wish.
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Michael Smith PRO says:

Try Help by Email.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Instead of allowing this thread to go down the rabbit hole, filled with personal abuse and other bickering I would very much like a staff response about the *why* and *how* of the message I received from Yahoo, contradicting staff's statement about the recycling issue.

See my earlier post here:

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157634102743482/#reply7...
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

FlyButtafly:

This is a blatant personal attack and is not only completely untrue, but is grounds for an abuse report.


And the enablement of identity theft is grounds for legal action, no matter what a company puts in the TOS. The phrase for today is "unconscionable clause" - only in a libertarian's fantasy world can contracts be written in just any way that a company desires, and still be legal.

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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

Michael Smith:

Try Help by Email.


Sounds reasonable. I'll give that a try in the morning. One minute before 3 am, my time. I should have been in bed ages ago.

Better late than never.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Café Diablo:

I'll stand by what I said. The man is a known shill, and so are you. The truth is the truth. If the community guidelines really will let somebody like you game the system in the way that you're trying to game it,

Ha! Maybe I am a *shill*, maybe I am *gaming the system*, yet I get that *we want you back* message too. Which I shouldn't be getting if I were a shill, right?
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

MabelAmber® ***Pluto5339*** Queen of Streetshots:

Ha! Maybe I am a *shill*, maybe I am *gaming the system*, yet I get that *we want you back* message too. Which I shouldn't be getting if I were a shill, right?


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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

Café Diablo:

Sigh. Did you notice that I was replying to FlyButtafly and not to you?


Watch her not apologize. This is what I'm saying. Around here, reality is considered to be irrelevant. The company culture is completely dysfunctional, and this shows in the community that has grown up around the company.
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The Searcher PRO says:

There's no such thing as "identity theft" with fake internet identities. So good luck with that tack.

You're kind of toxic, and won't really be missed if/when you leave. It's weird that such overtly negative people aren't considered "shills" for non-Yahoo entities, because you're so poisonously anti-Flickr/Yahoo it seems obvious to me you must work for a competitor. Or else you have some sort of emotional disorder that compels you to remain in a place you virulently hate.

Horses not zebras suggests you're a shill and not a psychopath.

Go sue, shill. Some lawyer's kid needs tuition money.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Café Diablo:

Sigh. Did you notice that I was replying to FlyButtafly and not to you?

1.This is a public forum, there's no choosing whom responds to whom - everyone can chip in.

2. Watch her not apologize.
Only one around here who should apologize and it's you , for obvious reasons.

3. Your reactions are quite irrational; in fact you should pounce on me as your ally because up to now I am evidently the only other person to be reporting about this reactivation *warning* , so I would say that your own "reality" is kind of *dysfunctional*
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Lú_ PRO says:

MabelAmber® ***Pluto5339*** Queen of Streetshots:

From my reading of everything here, it is not Yahoo IDs that are affected. It is Yahoo mail addresses. If you don't use that mailing address it could be recycled. Not the ID you sign in with, as Thea indicated. That is not the same as a mailing address. "Your Yahoo! account" means your email account, not your ID. (For those of us who don't use our Yahoo email for anything at all ever, that's just fine, I think. If I need a Yahoo email account again, I can just use a different set of numbers and letters for the address.)
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Lú_:

From my reading of everything here, it is not Yahoo IDs that are affected. It is Yahoo mail addresses. If you don't use that mailing address it could be recycled. Not the ID you sign in with, as Thea indicated. That is not the same as a mailing address. "Your Yahoo! account" means your email account, not your ID.

Thank you Lu_. - I must say I find this confusing to say the least. The ID with which I sign in to Flickr is exactly the same as the one which I would use to log in to Yahoo email address.
So then how would they go about *recycling* that mail address?

Then how am I to read Thea Lamkin's response:

However, this shouldn't affect your ability to log into Flickr, nor will your Y!ID be recycled (Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program).

I read it so: that Yahoo mail addresses which are associated with Flickr accounts will *not* be recycled.
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Lú_ PRO says:

MabelAmber® ***Pluto5339*** Queen of Streetshots:

The email address is not the same thing as the Yahoo ID you use to get at the email address. You just end up with a Yahoo ID that no longer shows you any email at all.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Lú_:

Sorry, I was adding a bit while you were responding, - this bit:

***Then how am I to read Thea Lamkin's response:

However, this shouldn't affect your ability to log into Flickr, nor will your Y!ID be recycled (Y!IDs associated with Flickr accounts are exempt from the recycling program).

I read it so: that Yahoo mail addresses which are associated with Flickr accounts will *not* be recycled.***
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mag3737 PRO says:

Lú_:

The email address is not the same thing as the Yahoo ID you use to get at the email address. You just end up with a Yahoo ID that no longer shows you any email at all.

Really? That sounds like a recipe for trouble.

My Yahoo ID is also the exact same sequence of letters and numbers as my Yahoo email address; has been since whenever I signed up for it, which was probably about 1994 or 1995. Even though I don't use Ymail, I guess I'm protected from all this business, because I look at it every once in a while to read the 3 or 4 spam messages that might be there waiting for me.
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Café Diablo / Joseph Dunphy says:

MabelAmber® "***Pluto5339*** Queen of Streetshots:

1.This is a public forum, there's no choosing whom responds to whom - everyone can chip in.

2. Watch her not apologize.
Only one around here who should apologize and it's you , for obvious reasons."


You're absolutely out of your mind. The comments to which you responded weren't directed against you. They were clearly marked as a being a reply to FlyButtafly's comments. Her screen name and icon appear right above them, leaving no doubt in the mind of any reasonable person as to who it was, that I was responding to.

Your response to that has been so much incoherent free association. culminating in this

"3. Your reactions are quite irrational; in fact you should pounce on me as your ally because up to now I am evidently the only other person to be reporting about this reactivation *warning* , so I would say that your own "reality" is kind of *dysfunctional* "


When you get to the point at which you can't separate the concept of a response to somebody else from that of a response to you, and refuse to understand something that simple, this is an issue that can only be addressed through professional psychotherapy. This is not a personal attack, this is simple reality. If you honestly can't understand something like

"FlyButtafly is one person, and you're somebody else"

then I don't know where a discussion with you would even begin. No, we aren't allies. There has to be some sort of communication for that concept to even mean anything, and you've left reality so far behind that there can't communication at all.

I've used the help by email form, which hasn't been helpfully redesigned yet, the way the Yahoo help form was. As for whether that will help in any way, I'll see. But I doubt I'll post to this discussion, again, because you people are being the same but kissing, reality denying pains in the a** that you've been in the past, and I just don't see anywhere for the discussion to go.

Other than to a conclusion that one ought never to use a Yahoo address to register anything, and that one should think twice about investing time and effort into a Yahoo product, given management's new operating philosophy. It is not in the nature of management to do something outrageous, and then be satisfied with the outrage. Once they've pushed in a given direction, they'll keep pushing until they get pushed back, and you folks are either too privileged to need to do so, or too far off into lalaland to see that you need to.

Today, email accounts, tomorrow, Flickr accounts.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Café Diablo:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkpes3dgzg

Good luck.

PS... Entirely intuitively I chose exactly the right movie for you, it appears after checking, now isn't that miraculous.
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

ID Lú_:

"The email address is not the same thing as the Yahoo"


Then I wonder why some of us have our Yahoo ID incorporated within our Yahoo email addresses then? I have deleted all my emails there now. Nothing there was important. I never used it anyway to send anything...
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Lú_ PRO says:

Scarlet Pimpernel:

Maybe for the same reason lots of people have their name in their email address? Sites start with something you give them.
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Scarlet Pimpernel says:

Lú_:

It seems strange though that they would give away your ID as an email address though ...
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The Searcher PRO says:

"Today, email accounts, tomorrow, Flickr accounts."

If it's your Flickr account that goes, I think a lot of people would call that a "feature".
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mag3737 PRO says:

Café Diablo:

But I doubt I'll post to this discussion, again, because you people are being the same but kissing, reality denying pains in the a** that you've been in the past, and I just don't see anywhere for the discussion to go.

This is the Help Forum. It would be helpful to others if you report back on the success/failure of your contact with staff via Help by Email.
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Flickr Staff

Thea Lamkin says:

Hey guys,

Your Mail account may be listed as inactive if you only use Flickr in conjunction with that Y!ID -- and this is why you are receiving these emails from Yahoo!.

However, as I said before, this will not mean your Y!ID is recycled, and the activity status of your Mail will not affect your ability to log into Flickr.

Another point: If you have listed your email address as the primary email for multiple Yahoo! accounts, the message you received could be referring to one of those other accounts -- they did not specify the particular account in question for security reasons.

Of course, if anything at all goes wrong here, we will make sure to work with the individual to quickly correct it.
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Michael Smith PRO says:

Thea Lamkin:

Thanks for the clarification, Thea.
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Hairlover PRO says:

Thea Lamkin:

If you have listed your email address as the primary email for multiple Yahoo! accounts,
Are you sure about that, Thea? I've been trying to set the email address for my other accounts to the same as I have set for my Hairlover account. Every time I enter the address, I receive an error message, saying that this address is already associated with another account. Or am I doing something wrong?

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Brenda Anderson PRO says:

Hairlover:

That looks like Flickr. Thea is talking about Yahoo, I think.
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Hairlover PRO says:

Ah. That makes sense. Thanks, Brenda.
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Flickr Staff

Thea Lamkin says:

Brenda Anderson:

Yup, only talking about Yahoo! accounts.
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just me sorry about that gbwyhvbasdfwe says:

Posted on behalf of Café Diablo, who has been blocked from posting to the Help Forum.



mag3737:

This is the Help Forum. It would be helpful to others if you report back on the success/failure of your contact with staff via Help by Email.


Sure. I explained the whole situation in the report, being sure to mention that I had logged in far more recently than one year ago, and that I had the old email to prove it. Again, let us remember that Yahoo will purge any free email account that isn't accessed for 90 days, and that 90 days is a lot less than a year. Here, by the way, is a partial screenshot of an email from 2004. Note the time and date stamp. The screenshot links to something more full sized, using the usual embedding code.


bravenet letter screenshot


The representative responded by playing the game of only hearing what she wanted to hear, writing

"I do appreciate the time you have taken to contact me, and enjoy any opportunity to assist you.

Sorry for the confusion but that email was pertaining to actually logging into your Yahoo! Email account.

Logging into your Flickr does not count as logging into your Yahoo! account."


acting as if I had not already stated that I had logged into my email account during the time in question. I responded, citing the passage that the representative refused to accept the existence of, which I'll italicize in this quote to mark the passage of which I speak.

"Note that I joined groups in Flickr on April 28 and May 1 of this year, and that I have email in my box going all of the way back to 2003, showing that there has been no time since March 26, 2003 when I've ever gone 90 days without logging in. This is clear evidence of activity, and proof that I shouldn't have been sent that letter, which arrived in my primary contact email on Friday, Jun 14, 2013 at 5:55 AM

Yet Yahoo is on the verge of deleting my account, giving away my email address and giving it away to whoever wants it, putting anything I registered with that email address at risk."

So, so far, this hasn't proved productive, and I don't expect that it will. Not that I was completely surprised by this. I've dealt with Yahoo support before, and the feigned deafness game is nothing new with them. I just don't remember them playing it over as serious a matter as this, before.
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just me sorry about that gbwyhvbasdfwe says:

"Censorship - it's not just a bad habit, it's a whole way of life"

- Future Yahoo corporate motto
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FlyButtafly PRO says:

just me sorry about that:

You do realize that Flickr ≠ Yahoo mail. Flickr staff cannot help you with your mail issues. Thea has posted what is relevant for Flickr accounts, pertaining to Y!IDs. Unfortunately, you're going to have to follow up with Yahoo about your email.
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just me sorry about that gbwyhvbasdfwe says:

Ms. Lamkin,

Somebody writes this:


Café Diablo:

Apparently they aren't, Ms. Lamkin. I received one of those warning letters, myself, regarding the account in which I am logged into, as I write this. It's a charming story, some of which I share in this discussion. I've been logging into that account regularly for over 10 years, and am now on the verge of losing it, because somebody on Yahoo's staff has decided to create his own reality and pretend that I haven't been logging in. This, among other things, means that I now get to sift through the 8,310 emails that have accumulated in my box over the years, looking for registration emails, so that after Yahoo takes my email address away from me, whoever gets it won't be able to steal my identity on the sites on which I registered using my Yahoo address. But I guess it's all good, because Yahoo gets to issue a press release?



you bypass the point made, writing this


Thea Lamkin:
Your Mail account may be listed as inactive if you only use Flickr in conjunction with that Y!ID -- and this is why you are receiving these emails from Yahoo!.



and then, without even sending the person whose remarks you misrepresented a message, you block him from the Help forum so he can't respond to your misrepresentation and set the record straight? Does Yahoo really regard this as being acceptable behavior out of its employees?



Thea Lamkin:
Of course, if anything at all goes wrong here, we will make sure to work with the individual to quickly correct it.



Evidently not. What you did, instead, was abuse your authority in order to bury the incident, when the company did something extremely wrong. How is covering up an incident "making sure to work with the individual to correct it"? You just tried to make the whole thing go away, without fixing anything.
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The Searcher PRO says:

"Freedom of speech", does not mean freedom from consequences. Even if it applied here, which it doesn't, since this is a private business. You know when there's a guy being an asshat in a bar, and he gets thrown out? Same thing here.

With a private business, turns out freedom from asshats trumps just about anything else.
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FlyButtafly PRO says:

just me sorry about that:

Erm, so if you're going to pretend you're not that "somebody" you might want to edit your post above to speak about that account in the third person, vs. first. Kinda gives you away.

ex.

Yet Yahoo is on the verge of deleting my account, giving away my email address and giving it away to whoever wants it, putting anything I registered with that email address at risk."

So, so far, this hasn't proved productive, and I don't expect that it will. Not that I was completely surprised by this. I've dealt with Yahoo support before, and the feigned deafness game is nothing new with them. I just don't remember them playing it over as serious a matter as this, before.

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just me sorry about that gbwyhvbasdfwe says:

FlyButtafly:

Erm, so if you're going to pretend you're not that "somebody" you might want to edit your post above to speak about that account in the third person, vs. first. Kinda gives you away.


Did you notice the words "Posted on behalf of Café Diablo, who has been blocked from posting to the Help Forum." which came before the post?
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FlyButtafly PRO says:

just me sorry about that:

Yep.

However, without subtle things like, oh, quotation marks and such, and moreso just speaking from experience, it sure looks like someone just using another account to get around the ban.

Not that *that* ever happens...

If I am wrong, I apologize. You've not resorted to name-calling, so I suppose you could be sincere.

However, I do not think it wise for you to take such actions for another person who was banned for good reason.
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Thea Lamkin:

Thank you for the extra clarification.

So I did understand rightly after all.

(The confusing bit was that reminder *We want you back*, issued by Yahoo to my gmail address, to reactivate my Yahoo! email address. As since 2008, when I created the Flickr account I am posting from now, I have never been receiving such rreminders in spite of never ever having logged in to that Yahoo! ID, tied to my Flickr account..)


Added from *in spite* for clarity.
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The Searcher PRO says:

Flybuttafly: I really don't think he's the same guy. Someone who is so reflexively toxically abusive with every breath, like that banned guy, can't just turn that off.
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FlyButtafly PRO says:

The Searcher:

Good point.
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kmacgray PRO says:

Posted on behalf of Café Diablo, who has been blocked from posting to the Help Forum.

Good.
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Agorfa DM PRO says:

Thea Lamkin:

So can i use another Yahoo account instead of the one i have connected already?
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Mr_Snapshot2001 says:

I'm deleting my Yahoo Mail/ID. Does that mean my Flickr account is going to be deleted as well?
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Mr_Snapshot:
I'm deleting my Yahoo Mail/ID. Does that mean my Flickr account is going to be deleted as well?

You should not delete a Yahoo ID with a Flickr account tied to it. Your Flickr account will not be deleted, it will be orphaned as you cannot gain access because you have deleted the *front door* so to speak, namely that Yahoo ID.
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brettswain says:

Well I can assure you all that if you have a Yahoo ID attached to your Flickr account and you don't log into it in 12 months it will most certainly go inactive, then will be recycled. If you log out of Flickr after this has happened and then try to log back in with your ID - you will find that your account is inaccessible ("orphaned")

I can vouch for this being true because it has just happened to me. I'm still logged in on my phone app - but there is no option to change my login details from there. So it looks like i'm back to square one after 3 years paid membership, countless photo posts, made friends, joined and contributed to groups etc etc and no apparent way of logging back on a computer under my account.

WORD OF WARNING - IF YOUR LOGIN WITH A YAHOO ID MAKE SURE IT IS ACTIVE BEFORE YOU LOG OUT !
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Patrick Costello PRO says:

brettswain:

However your account becomes orphaned, you certainly don't need to start over. Create a new Yahoo account and staff can connect your old Flickr account to it (having first established you are the owner of that account obviously).
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MabelAmber️®***Pluto5339***Incognito PRO says:

Evidently then some ID's with Flickr accounts tied to them fall through the cracks - Yahoo would do well to do some double checking on their data base - it is a bad thing when users get locked out of their Flickr accounts due to a shaky data base or whatever you call it where user's information is stored.
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The Searcher PRO says:

Staff reiterated here that this should NOT be happening:
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157634887403091/7215763...

But anecdotally there still appears to be issues.
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cjonthehudson says:

Okay, among the phenomenally asinine things that Yahoo has done to Flickr, this absolutely is the top.

I go to my Flickr account through Firefox, and find that for some reason, I've been logged out. I go to log in. Yahoo tells me that my account has expired, even though I've been on Flickr EVERY DAY. Apparently that's not good enough for this asinine corporation that is insisting we're going to use their other f'd up services and like it. I have to have logged in somewhere else, or my name would not be recognized. Okay, so what do I do?

It takes me to a Yahoo screen, where my only option is to sign up for a new ID. How that will possibly be connected with my existing Flickr account is not explained. I hesitate before screwing this up more, but clearing my cache and restarting Firefox gives me the exact same result. I am able to find this thread, which indicates that other people are having this problem.

I remember that I still have this account open in Chrome on another machine. I go there, and my account is still accessible. I can't sign in in Firefox, but I can do anything I want on Chrome. I take a chance and change my password in Chrome. Then I return to Firefox, and now when I enter my ID I can get in just fine, no message about how my account has expired.

I know the people who use this site just don't matter even slightly to Yahoo, maybe not even to the staff at Flickr. But I can't think of another service on earth that requires me to log in SOMEWHERE ELSE to keep my account from expiring.

That's really about enough. So sick of this.
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