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Amazing?
I thought this was an ERROR, but then I realized that this is probably just another "improvement" and came here to verify this. And indeed: "Justified group pools" apparently have just been switched on.
I don't like it one bit as it sucks bandwidth like there is no tomorrow. The page seems not to end as it loads new photos again and again.
[Update] I realized now that there is the option to switch back to the old view (top right corner). I did the switch and enjoy now the old view again. :-)
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This looks great! I love that you can hide the side bar as well.
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It looks great, but how do we see the photos we have previously added to a group now? This information is useful to have when adding images to special interest groups where one maybe only add a few pictures now and then.
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How are you now able to see a collection of which photos you have already submitted to any given group?
*Edit* Flips99 beat me to it : )
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"loads new photos again and again. "
That's what I hate about justified too... And it always takes forever to load...
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In the sidebar you can click "you" under "Top Contributors"
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@protohiro I'm not seeing it... Also, "Sort: Date added" is static.
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 I just noticed that the "Top Contributors" now appears only on the justified layout. Can it be put onto the other layouts as well?
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I'm not seeing it either. I see "About" , "Discussions" and "Top tags"
Is my screen too small again?
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 Date Added is static because there isn't another option. Presumably it's there as a holding place for when other sorting options are created.
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??? and can anybody tell me how to use now the award-counter
as admin .... it seems it is no more possible ...
I am admin in many groups where we count the awards for invite
in step-up groups ... how can I do it this now ??
greetings from vienna
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Oh sorry, that is a bug, fix being deployed now.
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I see the old view if I access a group from my Groups page, with no drop down. It would be nice if the old view were one of the options in the drop down. I like the fact that it seems to save my preferences if I choose for example Medium size, and then look at other groups (from within a photo page in group or in stream). It will then continue to display Medium for those groups. The view it defaulted to before I changed it was chaotic to look at.
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I had to scroll down to see it, it's at the bottom of the side bar on the left.
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This is terrible!!!
I can't tell anymore on which page my photo is in the respective groups.
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As with the other Justified views, you can switch to a regular thumbnail view any time using the View control. The other views are in the menu highlighted below.
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 If people aren't viewing photos in one page size only, does it matter? Your photo will always be farther back in a larger-size image view, same as with Contacts etc. I'm actually just curious about what use knowing the particular page is.
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 it matters because for some award groups, you have to wait until your photo gets to a certain page before you can post into "need more awards" threads to try and get awards to move up to the next level. They may have to change the way they do this.
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Yeah, so I can see the top contributor thing by clicking F11, so guess this is also only for people with huge screens. Honestly, this is just dumb.
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I keep seeing the term "bug" mentioned. I didn't think there were any such things as "bugs" only features or enhancements. That being said, I liked the old presentation better
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 Oh okay. Guess that those groups will need rule changes, then.
 Scrolling down didn't make it appear? (I minimized my browser and scrolled down for it.)
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I have "Top tags", but no "Top contributors".
Screen resolution 1366x768 btw.
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Hmm.. Don't see any discussions on the sidebar in one group I admin, www.flickr.com/groups/theicebox/pool/
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Excellent. It's going to upset all those group Admins who insist you comment on 5 photos on the first page of the group pool though!
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Same thing here, www.flickr.com/groups/d_m_u/pool/
Wonder if it might have to do with having fewer than 12 photos in the Group?
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And scrolling down doesn't make it appear? For me, it's right below "Top Tags" don't know what to say except that probably qualifies as a bug. FYI - what group are you looking at? I'll look at it too. What browser are you using?
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I noticed that the URL tricks don't work anymore:
For example:
www.flickr.com/groups/thebeautifulpeople/pool/with/594684...
is supposed to take me to the group pool page that contains photo #5946844158, but it doesn't. It takes me to the top of the group pool.
This is odd, because that URL is what Flickr gives me from the photopage. (Go to photopage, click on group name in right column, click on group name again.) Maybe that link is bad?
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I can only see "Top contributors" when clicking F11, scrolling don't do it.
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I don't love too much this presentation...
I don't know how , but it became like an mixture , difficult to appreciate and without control /order.
I prefer a quick preview (with mouse) on small thumbs with an option to choice how many of thumb and row we want to display each time.
For that i use some good tool like :
Splash album viewer Fixed (Greasemonkey script)
I hope that is not the default view for thumbnails.
I don't like to open a page and have to reselect another type of view all time.
The infinite page is a good idea , but not like this one :
we have no sign to know where we are in a stream , the surf became more confuse and give an bad impression on the stream..
It's should be better to give us the control on the loading , maybe with just an hover on a line or something like that...
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 It's just the way they've always done things. I just noticed that in all of the layouts except for justified, there are now 72 photos on each page of the pool. At least that is consistent and should help with these groups who need the static pages.
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This is enough for me! I think that I'm going to quit Flickr now!
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Here is a view of what I can see with F11 (Full screen browsing) @ 1366x768.
Tested with both Firefox and IE. Im seeing the same in all groups.
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Feedback:
* I still like the look of the justified view, but don't often use it since it's slow to load on my cable connection.
* More than that, I like that we now have *other* options for group pool viewing, including 'medium' and 'large'. Those alone are much better than what we had before.
* I love the sidebar, but I wish it was available in the other views too (currently the sidebar only shows up in justified view, but does not show up in any other view choice)
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- thanks for report. We are looking into that.
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I never liked justified view with faves and contacts but I have been tolerating it. I switch back to medium view all the time.
However, justified for groups, in my opinion, is very bad. I'm an administrator for a group and two of my main problems are this....
1. The word "new" no longer appears under new photos added into the pool. Without that word being there, it is difficult for me to keep track of all new photos that came in. In other words, it's now difficult to "moderate" my group.
2. Pages take too long to load and it's jumpy. I realize I can switch to medium size, like I do with contacts and faves, but that word "new" still does not appear under the photo..... which is a problem for me.
Thanks in advance.
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 I was wondering the same thing - if it would take me to the proper page in the pool. If your "preference" is set to justified view, it doesn't work. If it's set to any of the other views, it still works, at least it does for me.
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pkingDesign - You can reset it to regular thumbnail , but you have to wait for the whole slow think to load first.. And if you clear your browser stuff every day, you have to start all over again.. That's why I have never viewed faves up to now...
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Yay. It works all of a sudden now. Someone must have pulled some strings behind the scenes. Thanks, guys!
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As an Administrator of a group with 6 levels, this new style really is not functional for me, I will have to close my groups until the old way either goes back or there is an option to view the old way. In fact this will upset A LOT of admins as there is no way to manage the groups anymore, it will be a free for all.
*There is no way to see how is on what page
*No way to use the programs that members made for Flickr groups without having to click on each photo.
* I am praying sweeping a groups still works or were screwed
*In plain text...THIS IS THE WORST IDEA I HAVE SEEN
We knew 30 photos per page, now you can have as many as you like. jakerome, I am going to say this as you asked it is a bad thing. I am closing my groups after I leave this message and will not re-open them until something is done to have a better way of managing them. This is like starting at square one, OH MAN THIS MAKES ME SO UPSET WARN PEOPLE NEXT TIME.
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- thanks we are looking into that issue with URL from photo page to group pool.
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Thank you, it does, sorry to get upset but this is just stupid, groups are suppose to be fun for the members and the people running it, now it is just GRRRRRRRR
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Discussion shows here in a group with EXACTLY 12 pics.
www.flickr.com/groups/1762636@N24/pool/
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Creepella Gruesome - you noted that we don't show the NEW flag next to new photos. We'll work on fixing that, it just got lost in the shuffle.
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I understand! I went through something similar a while back when a change was seriously messing with the way I administered a challenge group. And now, honestly, I can't even remember what it was! We adapted, but at the time it really was a pain in the butt! Good luck!
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Odd. I can't that "/with/" trick to work at all, regardless of which view I use. Hmmm...
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Just deleted a browser extension I had to make group pool images bigger. I've been looking forward to having the new views on groups :) Not sure I'm interested in them in photostreams, but I don't browse those. Others I'm sure will be!
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I still have to click F11 to see top contributors. I think it would be more user friendly to have that information on the top of the page, at least the link to "your photos in the pool".
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pkingDesign, thank you for responding and for working on that one.
However, I hope there will be an "option" to switch back to how it was before. Even with the word "new" added in there, it still will be difficult for me (as an admin) to navigate the pages. Like I said.... it's jumpy and takes a while to load.
Please, I beg you, give us an option to have it the old way. Just like you gave us an option to use the old uploader. I would be very grateful if you did this.
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I might not be doing it the same way you are. I'm going to the photo page and clicking on the group name to roll down the photos, and then clicking on the group name again, which takes me to the page in the pool where my photo appears.
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Unbelievable! How is this an improvement? Flickr is all about GROUPS!
And, groups must be moderated and administered. That means comments and awards which must be counted so that groups with more than one level can function. Which means the AWARD COUNTER MUST BE ABLE TO FUNCTION!
I cannot believe that the !BRAINS! behind Flickr didn't realize that this would screw up the workings of the GROUPS AND THEIR ADMINS.
I'm with Roxanne above. There is simply no way for the groups to function unless there is an option to use the older group interface which allows the AWARD COUNTER to work. Just no way!
You really have to get this working again.
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And when I knocked out one from the Massive Group Portraits pool (making it 11), I still saw the discussions on the side.
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With Small, Medium and Large views there is a horizontal scroll bar at the bottom of the window.
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I agree on moving the "top contributors" up, probably "top tags" too. I'm not so interested in the other things, they appear elsewhere in the group and I don't really see the need for them on the pool pages.
Actually, it just occurred to me - is this a way of introducing a new layout for the front page of every group?
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It's static , but in first , like they said , when you reopen your browser you have no choice :
It's the Justified View the KING....
Can you give an option for that too?
An other request :
I'ts suck me all these "confirm box " in Flickr : I don't want click twice to remove a shot in my pool
- click the Delete Red Cross (Hover on the right left corner : it'll be better not in the thumb, maybe near the star icon, no?)
+ Click yes i want delete ...!!!
I admin a very large pool and you know it's difficult and time consuming..
Can you change that or give to us an option , it's possible?
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I agree with previous posters -- "Top contributors" and "Photos from you" should be on all views, not only the justified version (which I prefer not to use).
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I just closed all my groups, I can not function like this, I run 6 levels and on my own, this is just crazy. I added an new level every 6 months or so, as I new I could handle it, but now, there is no way.
Please give us an option to go back.
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I agree with trailerfullofpix.I like it they way it was.I will definitely not use the justified version.Also making admining groups difficult.
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Please do give us the sidebar on ALL views, not just on Justified. And, make it scrollable on its own. That way we can get to the bottom and see "you", "top contributors", etc. easily by scrolling down. Right now it's almost impossible to reach those. They jump off the viewable page as soon as new photos finish loading.
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If you go to the Square thumbnail view, you can see all of the photos and move to subsequent pages. But, you must click on each picture, wait for it to load, then you can see the awards.
THIS IS NOT A VIABLE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM!
There is no way that I can get through several pages of even one group in this manner, let alone go through 6 different groups with thousands of members.
PLEASE FIX THIS BY GIVING AN OPTION TO USE THE OLDER INTERFACE AT LEAST UNTIL SOME OTHER SOLUTION IS FOUND.
Otherwise, the groups will cease to function and, with that, where is the reason and impetus behind using FLICKR at all?
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No,no,this is not going to work for MANY Admins!!Can we please have an option to go back to the old way?It is really going to take a long time to get through a pool and with a busy group,this is just not on!
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I for one am glad that most award/invite groups on Flickr are now not able to function as before. I find those groups to be both annoying and useless, not to mention the horrible comments that comes along with them (especially the gifs, ugh).
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I think the creator of 3rd party flick programs are screaming right now. All that work and now all this.
I see the thumbnail to be a kinda of good thing, but the award counter programs will now have to re-do their programs to work with this new.....what ever you call it....cause you don't want me to name it.
I see groups dropping out as well, it will now be just to much work, already you have 1 dropped out, mine,
I closed them all.
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I noticed that a link in the group description shows up here, www.flickr.com/groups/laflickrmeetup/pool/ but I can't get it to work on some of my pages like here: www.flickr.com/groups/theicebox/pool/
Does it need to follow the www. url .com form for it to be autorecognized? You'd think it would work for Flickr blog entries!
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I appreciate a lot the large thumbnail which fill the window in small view!
that is a good new for me.
I had build an Userstyle for that...
Can you Fill too the last row of thumb ?.
For SMALL View:
It is fill with only 8 thumbs, where i can expect 16 thumbs.
It's the same on LARGE View:
2 Thumbs / expected 7 thumbs
And strange thing , no change on the SQUARE View , it's alway the old short thumbnails!?
Can you adapt it
An other Request :
Why you don't show "Favorites Star" near the User name of each user post .
This a good information for us.
They are here (in SET and ARCHIVES too) :
I use it with my Userstyle but Flickr hide them, why?
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Is there a way for individuals to make a view other than justified (for both contact photos and now groups) their personal default?
I know its just a personal preference item, but to me the justified view makes for poor viewing of photos. I always switch to medium thumbs, which works well for me. Is there a way to make my own viewing defaults medium thumbs, so I don't have to change it every time?
That would also solve any slow-loading problem reported by some.
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I agree with taxref. I like medium view better because photos load immediately that way. I would love to have an option to set it as a default. That goes for contacts and faves too. I say this just in case groups will not be reverted back to the old way. I realize I will have to learn to adapt, if not.
One more important note...
Some people are asking for the sidebar to be included with medium views. If Staff implements this, please give us an option to "hide" that sidebar, just like we can in the justified view. I need to hide it for easier navigation.
Thank you for your consideration on this matter.
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OK I am very confused now. Since I want to see top contributors and the link to show my photos, I switch to justified. But once there the photos are cut off on the right side and I can not seem to scroll the left side down far enough to get the top contributors. Instead the right side scrolls down then loads more photos.
How do I scroll down the left side and how do I see the right edge of all the photos?
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Also looks like all the Grease Monkey scripts that used to show info below the photos in the pool are now broken (e.g. show the view count or an icon to indicate a comment, etc.)
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yes ... its not possible to administrate or moderate a group without
this grease monkey scripts ... no award-counter .. nothing ..
so I think when this will not get fixed .. lot of groups must be closed ...
lets hope ...
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Other request :
Can you stop the translation of all the others thumbs when we delete a shot?
It's confusing and became irritating to do it when you must wait all the time for delete an other shot .
And i don't understand why it is so important to move these shots.
I expected a possibility that some new shots appear to replace these deleted , but no.
To resume :
No twice click to deleting a shot.
Static position of these thumbs .
Thanks for your attention.
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I was looking for the "top contributors" as well and in some groups I see it, in others I can see that heading in the side bar, but nothing listed under it, and in yet other groups I can't even see the heading. It seems to have to do with how many discussion threads there are and thus how much space that section takes up.
Scrolling behavior is very weird. On the group pools that don't show top contributors they won't show until I have scrolled aaaaall the way down to the last image on the page. I get a glimpse of it, but then the sidebar jumps back up to "top tags" as the page is fetching more pictures. Maybe that sidebar needs its own scroll bar.
Other things that are hard to access now: the feed and slideshow links at the bottom of the side bar. At least those will show up when I switch to any of the other views, but there is no list of top contributors on them any more.
On those pools where I can see the top contributor listings, I've seen a few that had me twice. E.g. if I am the top contributor in that group, it will show "BlueRidgeKitties" as first in the list, but also "YOU!" at end of the list, both being essentially links to the same page. I assume the "YOU!" is the old "submissions by you" info, but the way it is presented it looks like part of the "top contributors" list and seems odd to find yourself in there twice. It also is misleading on groups where you are actually not anywhere near the top, e.g. top contributors have hundreds or thousands of pictures in the pool and "YOU!" only have a handful, yet is listed under top contributors.
If I change the view in one group, the same setting applies to all other groups. Is that expected behavior, or is it supposed to be selectable on a per group basis?
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Why on earth do you have to fix what isn't broken, a lot of group admins are going to hate this "improvement"
There should be an option for the "classic" view, ie. what it was before.
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My feedback
(1) When not hidden, the sidebar is annoying and distracts/detracts from the photos; it takes up almost 50% of the real estate on my small monitor (17" monitor, browser fully maximized) so that the justified photos are smooshed into the other half [eta: I now realize it can be totally hidden. Regardless, when not hidden it takes up a lot of screen space]
(2) Way too long to load making it unusable for casual browsing
(3) I presume like contacts and favorites this is cookie base? Which is unfortunate because due to security and privacy concerns I have my browser set to clear cache and cookies at the end of each session. That means I can never really opt out of justified group pools. (I don't have any favorites and stopped looking at my contacts page when you rolled out justification because of the cookie thing; I'd hate to stop looking at groups, too.)
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It's what I was waiting for, I'm very very happy with this new justified view. Thanks!
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Also, while I appreciate all the innovation and redesign going into flickr it would be really nice if staff would work out all the bugs and kinks from previous roll-outs before rushing head-long into the next one. There still seem to be issues with both the uploadr and the new photo-page redesign that have yet to be addressed. (And I mean genuine bugs; not just design "tweaks.")
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There's an option to hide it at the top of the sidebar
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Thanks, I missed that.
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Why, oh why do you always start your changes for the weekend. You are leaving us to stew in all the problems. I am also a moderator in 3 groups and my work will almost be impossible.
The checking of the pools is one of the biggest problems. The award counter is not visible from the outside and pages are far too long.
I am not saying anything over the sizing.......
For weeks now you have been given us all those changes to cope with. When will it ever stop?????????
Flickr is no fun place to be any more !!!!!!!!!!!
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This is disgusting. All the information Flickr users need is missing. Post and comment on five pictures on the first 2 pages....HOW!!!!
Do the people who run Flickr actually use it...NO...I didn't think so.
We've had enough of Flickr messing with the site and giving us 'improvements' we just don't want.
You are ruining our Flickr experience.
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Apparently, the brains at Flickr believe that everyone has a speedy Internet connection and a large monitor. Not only that, but that they have unlimited time to peruse all of the wondrous images uploaded to Flickr everyday.
Well, HELLO, admins of groups don't really have all that time, speed, or whatever it takes to use the new, improved Flickr! What we have, actually, is limited time to try to do a service that Flickr users, as members of groups, appreciate and have come to rely upon.
It is now really impossible to perform these services and, regrettably, I can visualize the closing of many groups; particularly, those which have levels that rely on awards and comments for promotion.
I can't believe that the programmers of Flickr did not see this as a potential problem. But, in the real world of Flickr Groups, it is a monumental one.
PLEASE FIX THIS!
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This is awful! And on top of the other changes,I have about had my fill! I too Admin/Moderate groups and this is a nightmare!
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Initial impression - Ugh!
The two most dreaded words on Flickr - "Exciting Changes"
The only changes I could get excited about are reverting back to the former layout.
This article seems to say it all ... Here
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Please please please
Just give the chance to swich to the old page
You are killing all the groups
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From RubyMae: "Also, while I appreciate all the innovation and redesign going into flickr it would be really nice if staff would work out all the bugs and kinks from previous roll-outs before rushing head-long into the next one. There still seem to be issues with both the uploadr and the new photo-page redesign that have yet to be addressed. (And I mean genuine bugs; not just design "tweaks.")"
I must confess that RubyMae brought up my first thought upon reading the glowing rollout announcement for this feature. I would hope staff would now delay adding more bells and whistles until some of the important basics are fixed.
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Top contributors and photos you added need to be in all views not just justified. Justified sucks in my opinion.
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Thanks! Another change that I really don't like! :-(
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TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for group admins & mods to work with the new layout. PLEASE give us the option to revert to the old layout!!
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I'm an Admin for several groups & this new layout is an absolute nightmare!!!!!!
You don't know what page you are on, you have not got award counter working in the pool unless you go through each picture. I just don't have the time to do this!!
Why on earth have you change a layout that works perfectly??
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This is stupid! What is flickr doing! I cannot Moderate groups properly. It takes ages to see the comment invite stats on each image - I have to open every image!. Please we need the old way back NOW!
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I have no clue where to find the sidebar - am I being dim? Screen resolution is 1920 x 1050 and F11 makes no difference either. What am I missing?
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I don't like the justified view for my new contacts uploads and I hate it for the groups! What on earth are you people thinking! WHY FIX WHAT WAS NOT BROKE! We have all tolerated your idiot ideas for our own page layout and now you dump this on us without warning! How dare you!
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After several minutes and over 100 MB of bandwidth, and still no pictures, I gave up.
Same problems as justified view in the other places. Sometimes it works, but mostly I sit there while my modem goes full out and I see nothing.
It would be nice to have a "never use justified view" preference. I switch to a different layout, but periodically the layout resets to justified on its own. Very annoying.
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