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[locked, redirected] flickr now censoring all moderate and restricted photos from Germany

myfear says:

Follow up for the discussion started in
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/35971/page6/

You are welcome to say anything about this.

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The Searcher says:

"so I wonder if you just create a new Yahoo ID from yahoo.com (rather than yahoo.de) and use that for Flickr, if it would bypass this."

Welcome to my idea from an hour ago.

myfear: you can have a Flickr account set to a different Yahoo account, so no extra fee. there's a process in the FAQs on how to switch accounts. But first you may want to try creating a different Yahoo ID, and making a new Free Flickr account, and see if it frees up your viewing.

I'm not sure this topic needs to jump anywhere. That was the official Filter topic, and this definitely has to do with the filtering of huge swaths of images. Eh, it's more specific here, I guess.
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myfear says:

The Searcher Thanks for the hint. But I guess thats not the way it should work. Censorship based on any other mechanism than voluntarily has to be defended. That is my personal opinion and I guess there are many people out there that do not have the option to open different accounts for different websites keeping track of the different ToS ... thats stupid for me ...
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro says:

flickr now censoring all moderate and restricted photos from Germany

and from Hong Kong, Singapore, and Korea. see "official" announcement in the FAQ:

www.flickr.com/help/filters/#249
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myfear says:

The Searcher btw: it works ...
Seems as if flickrs (and therefore yahoos) userdata gets more and more corrupted. Seems as if they don't realy want to know where a user is located :-D
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davipt says:

Please be aware that if you do change your yahoo account to a different country to avoid the German restrictions, you might not be able to pay your renewal to Flickr anymore.

Mine account and the ones from my family are about to expire next month and I can't renew them anymore.
As there's no Yahoo Portugal, in the past Yahoo forced our Portuguese accounts to be created in Brazil, so today the only payment method available is some bad-looking brazilian payment site which obviously doesn't accept my Portuguese credit card.
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licht_faenger says:

And what happens when I change my content to safe! The unsafe content is even not showed in private groups - I don't see my own pictures, while people with us account see them. A notice - an official statement from flickr would have been nice...

Keine Zenzur!!!"

And what leagal reason should it bee to block photos from Germany? And not block porn from the US? What legal reason it should be not allow to set the filter to moderate? It cuts my rights!

But I have an other right! To leave flickr! Not grade up to pro! And spent my money somewhere else!!!

Yahoo runs here a business - in competition to fotocomunity - behaving like this wont bring them many German users who pay ;)
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Spiritus Negator says:

Well said, licht_faenger!
This is totally disgusting, and an absolutley unacceptable behaviour by Flickr/Yahoo! I'm not paying for this crap to happen over here in Germany. In the past I have never joined the club of the numerous Yahoo-bashers, but now it seems that there is more than one reason to believe that Yahoo - and therefore all at Flickr staff as well - are playing an utterly dirty game on the backs of their (formally loyal) customers. I personally see no sense in it to pay any longer for a service that I cannot use anymore in an appropriate manner. If Flickr is not able and willing to fix this problem for Germany within the next 24 hours, I want my money back!

On a side note: there are tons of politically incorrect photos hosted on Flickr servers, especially such that are showing and promoting Nazi-propaganda. They are still accesable from Germany, but you may be aware that this is striktly prohibited under German law. So, if I would be in an ill tempered mood (and my blood pressure is rising constantly), I could think of filing a law suit against Flickr, with the aim to get Flickr banned from all German servers. If that's the way you want it, well, you get it!

I am not amused!
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Brenda Anderson says:

They are still accesable from Germany, but you may be aware that this is striktly prohibited under German law

And those images should be marked as "moderate" or "restricted" ... and if they are properly marked, then you wouldn't be able to see them,...

Maybe the German government told Flickr that they must "censor" those images for German users, and the only way for Flickr to do that was to prevent German users from seeing "moderate and restricted" content.

I don't know.
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myfear says:

Maybe the German government told Flickr that they must "censor" those images for German users, and the only way for Flickr to do that was to prevent German users from seeing "moderate and restricted" content.

I am pretty shure, that german government knows about the meaning of censorship. They do lots of things not worth to mention here .. but this is totally out of scope ...
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crazyinthenight says:

A user who added me as contact had quite ... interesting ... photos on his account. And now he just "doesn't have any photos available" to me. If this is not a coincident, it is absolutely annoying.
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crazyinthenight says:

"Users in China can't see images"... and users in Germany also can't. Well done, flickr.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro says:

And those images should be marked as "moderate" or "restricted"

why? i don't think that's necessarily the case. if the swastika is not meant to represent the nazi party, i don't see why it should be marked "moderate"

for example, i don't think this photo should be "moderate":



after all this is a very old hindu symbol. i have seen it on many objects from india.

if you go on this road, then this box of KKK brand rubber cement should be marked "moderate"!

DSC01455 - KKK Rubber Cement - Very flamable?
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Spiritus Negator says:

Brenda, you're mising the point.

Such things as Nazi-propaganda pics are prohibited and are not to be shown in Germany in general. The laws are pretty clear and tough here. But to mark this kind of content as "moderate" or "restricted" does not solve the problem, because that's not the point. The point is: I want to see the nudes! I want my nudes to be accessible to the ones who like to see them. Plain simple, this is my right. I know of no German law that would prohibit me from seeing any kind of nudity (of course except anything with children involved, this is out of question). Hell, I can see tits and asses and even an almost explicit presentation of sexual intercourse on public TV after 6 p.m.! There is no law that would prohibit this. And there is absolutely no need for Flickr to block all properly flagged "moderate" and "restricted" photos for users in Germany.

Again, Flickr's behaviour is foul.
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro says:

and what about censoring google-earth because of this?



Maybe the German government told Flickr that they must "censor" those images for German users, and the only way for Flickr to do that was to prevent German users from seeing "moderate and restricted" content. I don't know.

that's why we'd like to hear the "official" explanation from STAFF to justify this move.

and in any case, there is nothing in the Flickr TOU that says that anything the resembles a swatika must be marked "moderate", so your explanation does not fly. i'm almost sure that this has to do with preventing minors from accessing adult material, and since they have no way to identify minors with certainety, they treat all adults germans like kids. that's lame.
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myfear says:

loupiote (Old Skool) Don't panic. They are mostly still asleep I guess ... That's one other critic point for multi language flickr .. they forget about the support times ....
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crazyinthenight says:

Well... to get rid of the restriction one probably has to emigrate out of germany! At least flickr offers a convenient way for this case to settle to another, non-german yahoo ID. No barrier.
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myfear says:

crazyinthenight shure. Not that problem at all. But I guess that misses the point. If you apply for a new flickr account from one of the restricted countries there is no hint, not to do so. You better tell yahoo that you live in another country in order to see all content? Thats total crap ...
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loupiote (Old Skool) pro says:

like if censorship by governments (e.g. china, which is currently censoring all flickr photos) was not bad enough...
Posted 83 months ago. ( permalink )

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iansand says:

I can understand why flickr would do this if the German government had threatened them with some sort of sanction. If that happened the remedy of German members is to lobby their government. I think it is a lot to ask of a corporation to risk sanctions in protection of what their members perceive as their rights.

If flickr did this out of fear of an inchoate possibility the action is pusillanimous, and requires explanation.
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Walwyn says:

Doesn't everyone tell yahoo that they live in Canada? I'm still getting comments on photos from HK residents.

In any case this has been going on for years and is the fault of the German Government
www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/19...
www.bigmouthmedia.com/live/articles/google_conceals_nazi_...
www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/23/german_nazi_sites_still_...
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Walwyn says:

BTW It has nothing to do with porn:
www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/09/german_model_railways/
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myfear says:

I am not shure if it is all about that stuff.
Would love to find out.

btw: crazyinthenight I guess it might be against the ToS (yahoo oder flickr add-on) if you tell them, that you live in another country (haven't checked this .. stupid reading) ... if this is the case they are allowed to cancel your account (pro or not) at any time without keeping your images. I do not want to risk my uploaded content because of changed localization settings.

Lets, hear, when the staff wakes up and takes this over ...
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myfear says:

First news headline about the german filter issu in german online magazin:

www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/91085
(sorry .. only german :))
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crazyinthenight says:

@myfear: I 've been talkíng about emigration!
Posted 83 months ago. ( permalink )

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myfear says:

crazyinthenight both not the way for me ... at the moment ;)

back to topic .. we are waiting for the staff ..
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myfear says:

Votes against Stockholder Proposal:
Yahoos board of directors recommends vote “AGAINST” the stockholder proposal no.6 (INTERNET CENSORSHIP)

Details here :)
yhoo.client.shareholder.com/downloads/2007Proxy.pdf

Seems as if we are left alone ...
Posted 83 months ago. ( permalink )

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atomtigerzoo says:

ok, I'm getting really pissed off by this filtering!
I'm paying for usage for 2 years now, I liked - LOVED - flickr, but this is it!!

Where does germany has any rules or guidelines about naked skin or anything else? HELLO!!! we are not china or the usa where public nudity is restricted. If I want to I can go naked on the streets ;)

Please flickr staff... revert this, let me change the settings or I will be gone.

This is an outrage!!
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myfear says:

atomtigerzoo totally agree. waiting for a staff reply for more than 5 hours already ...
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iansand says:

Are you also waiting for the German government to reply?
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eLCapita says:

This can not be tolerated!

It's ok when by default the setting is that you cannot see this pictures, but the possiblity to turn it off must be there! I think this has just something to do with the "Jugendschutzgesetz" (law for protecting teenagers and kids).

I'm getting sick of this crap !

Make an age verification or something, but I don't want to be restricted for what i pay for! If this is not getting fixed, i will probably go to anther service!
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myfear says:

iansand have not asked them ..oO(up to now :))
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atomtigerzoo says:

hehe - don't expect anything from the german government.

This makes me really really really sick!
flickr WAS one of the best photo sharing community. I did let the user do what he wants - let him set his settings and not set any guidelines like some regime over the users...

and - this would be the second big miss the staff has to justify.

I'm losing my trust in you staff guys!
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atomtigerzoo says:

all german users:
Please join this group!
www.flickr.com/groups/404938@N23/

so we can quit all together if flickr doesn't change anything!
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iansand says:

myfear I think you should.
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iansand says:

atomtigerzoo Vote against them. You live in a democracy. IF this is caused by the German government go there with your problem. Do not expect flickr to break the law in Germany.
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myfear says:

iansand not until we heard something from the flickr/yahoo staff :-) btw ... you have no problems at all .. you are far far away ...
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myfear says:

iansand if flickr breakes the law by disabling this "feature" I bet, they could close half the internet ... this is rediculous!
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Spiritus Negator says:

iansand, this whole issue has nothing to do with the German government. We're living in a democracy, not in the USA! There is no law or any legal requirement whatsoever that would call for banning all these moderate and restricted photos from the eyes of german users. Period.

However, it seems to be an issue of Yahoo Germany and their ToS. I just have carefully read it, line by line, and I found no hint about what may cause this to happen. I can only assume that there is someone running mad. And I demand a clear and lucid explanation by Flickr staff.
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atomtigerzoo says:

here's a picture you can post in your own stream:
flickr.com/photos/atomtigerzoo/543864623/

let's get this picture in interestingness so everyone see's it or copy it and post it in your stream!
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iansand says:

Remmy1 How do you know? I agree that flickr should explain but they may not be at fault.
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myfear says:

iansand thats what we want to know ... lets see, when they are up and running at their terminals :)
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Walwyn says:

As I understand it the German courts have said that they can enforce the ban on neo-nazi material against foreign websites:
www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/websitemgmt/story...

AFAIK it is only nazi imagery that is banned in Germany, porn is OK. So I'd hazzard a strong guess that it is the nazi symbolism (which should be marked moderate/restricted) that is the problem. Now unless flickr add another level of filters say 'not for Germans' to the list how else can they comply with German Law? The alternative is for flickr to remove every nazi image from flickr whenever they are informed about it.
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atomtigerzoo says:

No flickr censorship with me!

post this to your account please!
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myfear says:

The coolest thing at all:
German group admins can't see all images in a group ... that's helpfull ...
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Fotopath says:

It is absolutely no problem to see tits 'n ass on German websites. So what's the point? I'm really really mad 'bout this! I demand an explanation! Right now!
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myfear says:

Fotopath waiting for more than 6 hours now ... they have to sleep sometimes ;)
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Natascha♫ says:

There is no law against porn or nudity in germany! Flickr, where did you get the idea to censor german users?
I am really getting angry about this behaviour of Flickr!
In Germany I may decide by myself what I want to see! So what is your explanation, Flickr? Waitng for an answer!
I myself am not interested in porn. But I want to decide by myself! I don't need nobody to rule me!
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Walwyn says:

In Germany I may decide by myself what I want to see!

Nope!
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Natascha♫ says:

@Walwyn: What am I not allowed to see?
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Walwyn says:

www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=nazi&m=text
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swisskiltbear says:

@walwyn

Really, really helpful! NOT!

I really don't think this is the right thread for your kind of immature trolling, sorry.

The use of certain symbols my be prohibited IN Germany, but not the viewing of such content,

There is no legal reason for the evil Y! empire to censor images for German users. Especially since Y! is dumbed down enough to also censor Austrian and Swiss users who had the misfortune of signing up through Y! Germany.
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WayneWho? says:

we've become the Bubblewrapped Generation.



pop....poppop......pop pop POP ....pop...
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Walwyn says:

Hey up! Didn't you say that all of that ought to be resticted?

www.flickr.com/groups/central/discuss/72157600201859461

Can you think of any other reason why Germany would have content filtered? I'd be surprised if this is some sort of mix up being as they've changed the FAQ.
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tillwe says:

Just add me to the list of quite angry Germans.

Even the legislature on nazi symbols is not that hard that it is totally forbidden to see them, its only forbidden to show them (and as far as I know, there are exemptions for artistic and documentary use).

Hoping it's just a mixup and will be somehow changed -- or it adds to the growing heap of reasons for thinking about quitting flickr.
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iansand says:

swisskiltbear Do you have any reason to believe that Yahoo or flickr just decided to do this with no external encouragement? That explanation does not seem consistent with the responses I have noticed.
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swisskiltbear says:

@Walwyn

Yawn! Old news. not the same context at all.

Yes I was and still am disgusted and strongly opposed to using Nazi symbols just to be funny and then throwing a fit over the image being flagged, presumably to just whore more views.

Moderate and restricted ratings are not only there for Nazi symbols though.

Legally though, while people in Germany might be restricted from USING Nazi symbols, there is no restriction for VIEWING them. Why do you think most German Neo-Nazi websites are hosted in the US and Canada.
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Walwyn says:


"To avoid legal liability, we remove sites from Google.de search results pages that may conflict with German law," said Google spokesman Nate Tyler. Under German law, Holocaust denials, and other similar extreme right wing views are considered to incite racial hatred, and are therefore illegal by default. In fact, the German government orders German ISP to block access to US sites that post this kind of content.
www.bigmouthmedia.com/live/articles/google_conceals_nazi_...

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myfear says:

Walwyn can we please wait for an "official" statment. I appreciate your help keeping this topic on top .. thats all ;)
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Azchael says:

have joined the group and added photo
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Azchael says:

Hi,

i just checked the Yahoo! AGB and it states:

"Die Verantwortung für sämtliche Informationen, Daten, Texte, Software, Musik, Geräusche, Photos, Graphiken, Videos, Nachrichten oder sonstige Materialien ("Inhalt"), die allgemein veröffentlicht oder privat übermittelt werden, liegt ausschließlich bei der Person, von der ein solcher Inhalt stammt.

Das bedeutet, dass Sie und nicht Yahoo!, die gesamte Verantwortung für jeglichen Inhalt tragen, den Sie eingeben ("upload"), veröffentlichen, per E-Mail versenden oder auf sonstige Weise im Rahmen der Services weiterleiten.

Yahoo! kontrolliert Inhalte, die Sie über die Services weitergeben, grundsätzlich nicht und übernimmt deshalb keine Garantie für die Richtigkeit, Angemessenheit und Qualität solcher Inhalte. Sie sind sich bewusst, dass Sie durch die Benutzung der Services einem Inhalt ausgesetzt sein können, der beleidigend, anstößig oder in sonstiger Weise zu beanstanden ist.



Sie dürfen im Rahmen der Nutzung der Services nicht:

1. Daten, Texte, Bilder, Dateien, Links, Software oder sonstige Inhalte veröffentlichen, die nach Einschätzung von Yahoo! rechtswidrig, schädigend, bedrohend, missbräuchlich, belästigend, verleumderisch, vulgär, obszön, hasserregend, rassistisch oder in sonstiger Weise zu"



This makes it clear, that it is totally each user's responsibility to make sure certain photos are marked moderate or not safe and that it is also each member's own responisibility to make sure if he or she can or cannot see those photos!!!
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myfear says:

Azchael for me that sounds all very perfect. There has to be something more ... would be great to read about this from staff ...
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Bronko says:

Protest movement for liberty of search!

Please join the "Free Germay" Group:
www.flickr.com/groups/freegermany/
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Lú_ says:

First news headline about the german filter issu in german online magazin:

www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/91085
(sorry .. only german :))


dugg (digged?)
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eLCapita says:

Yeah, it would be very nice to get a reason for this from staff.

I can't imagine ANY JUSTIFIED reason why we can't disable safe search.

If it's just abaout the nazi symbols then flickr is just plain dumb to think that every german is nazi.
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Wooble says:

If it's just abaout the nazi symbols then flickr is just plain dumb to think that every german is nazi.

What makes you think that Flickr thinks any German is a Nazi based on this action? The problem is that Yahoo does business in Germany and they're bound to follow German laws, even really dumb German laws.
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eLCapita says:

Tell me WHICH law does justify this action. I can't think of any.

And then tell me why in other countries is it possible to disable safe search which have almost the same laws. We can watch boobies in talk shows at noon and so on while in America there would be an outrage.
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myfear says:

again 22minutes past without any hint from staff ...
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

A quick search in Google brought this result, but I sadly don't have time right now to read it all. It seems to be relevant, though.
www.kanzlei.de/mmg.htm
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dalmet says:

As an affected Austrian I'm really wondering how Yahoo assumes that someone signing up through yahoo.de automatically lives in Germany. I know people living in the US that also using yahoo.de (and other German spin-offs of major multilingual web sites) because they've got German ancestors or used to grow up in german speaking countries.

Absolutely ridiculous!
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justinnash says:

I think most staff that participate in these forums are based in California, USA. It is currently morning there (just before 8am) so they may start responding in the next hour or two.
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

@dalmet: that seems to be a concern of Swiss residents too, many of whom appear to sign in through yahoo.de, presumably because of the German language interface.

I have a yahoo.com account, with Yahoo! United Kingdom as "preferred content" (I am British) and my home address set to Switzerland, and I have not experienced any restrictions to filtered content.
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greynine.ipernity.com says:

'child porn' I read rumours to be one possible reason for this ...
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bogenschlag says:

(Since this is an important issue I'm gonna say this again here …)

Dear people from Flickr,

Are you out of your mind? (BTW, it's very hard, not to user any four letter words here …!)

I'm a paying customer (from Germany) and I'd like to decide for myself what content I'm able to see.

There is—please read this carefully—no law in Germany demanding or justifying this kind of censorship!

This whole censorship nonsense has got to stop!

We, the users, are your platform, your community. Without us you're nothing! Stop pissing us off! Now! Please!

Thank you!
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

Whoever makes available, on a commercial basis, electronic information and communication services which are based on transmission by means of telecommunication, shall appoint a commissioner responsible for the protection of minors, if such services are generally available and might include content morally harmful to youth. The commissioner shall be the contact for users and shall advise providers concerning questions relating to the protection of minors. The commissioner shall be consulted by providers in planning their services and in formulating their general terms and conditions of use. The commissioner may suggest to the provider that services offered be restricted. The provider may also meet his obligation under the first sentence by obligating a self-regulation organization to take over the duties under sentences 2 through 4 above.

Source: Article 6, Amendment of the Law on the Dissemination of Publications Morally Harmful to Youth, Federal Act Establishing the General Conditions for Information and Communication Services - Information and Communication Services Act. (Informations- und Kommunikationsdienste-Gesetz - IuKDG), 13th June 1997.

(Highlighting mine.)

www.netlaw.de/gesetze/iukdg.htm
www.datenschutz-berlin.de/gesetze/medien/iukdge.htm

I'd really suggest that we wait until Flickr staff confirm the details properly, before we start launching an attack on them. I'd understood that Flickr were recruiting international staff from around the world for international support, but this issue might be a little too large for a newly appointed member of staff to take on without the support of Flickr central.
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Dominik Schwind says:

No more boobiez!
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Scy83 says:

I don't really see the point in waiting for a reaction from Flickr. It's not like they gave us a chance to react, they just flipped the censorship switch. I say, and I'm not ashamed of my foul language, because the matter itself stinks like rotting cats: Let's flame those bastards like there's no tomorrow. Really. You can't call yourself a community site and then do stuff like that to your users, the only reason why you actually EXIST. I'm mad at Flickr, I'm mad at Yahoo, and I think they deserve it.

Edit: By the way, I can't see a reason for censoring in Germany. Even that swastika thing isn't a problem: You can show swastikas, as many as you like, as long as it's for an artistic or documentary purpose or similar.
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minimal_shine says:

also ehrlich gesagt, was ist Sache? Wenn ich ne Gruppe aufrufe die 100% Inhalte hat die als Porno bezeichnet werden können, funktioniert das immer noch genauso wie vorher trotz Yahoo.de account. hm?
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Scy83 says:

minimal_shine: Kannst du z.B. das hier sehen? Wenn ja, dann bist du aus irgendwelchen Gründen nicht betroffen. Soll's geben, allerdings sind diese Leute absolut in der Minderheit. Und niemand garantiert dir, dass du nicht auch demnächst "gleichgeschaltet" wirst.

(For non-Germans: minimal_shine was asking why it's still working for her, even though she's got a yahoo.de account. I told her that there's a minority of users where the filter seems not to work; however, I assume that this will be changed eventually.
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nils_asdf says:

solution for german users to avoid censorship:

- create a new u.s. based yahoo id. e.my.yahoo.com/config/my_init?.im=drawbridge&.intl=us...
- transfer you flickr account to that new yahoo id. www.flickr.com/account/transfer/
- switch off safesearch. www.flickr.com/search/advanced/

if you want to renew your account with your german credit card.
- reverse steps
- pay
- transfer your flickr account to your u.s. based yahoo id again

it worked for me (at least part 1) and i really don't know if i pay again, if my pro account expires. thanks flickr, what a great move!
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

@Scytale: of course, but by "flaming" you'd be breaking the terms you agreed to when you signed up, and they have every right to boot you out for abuse! Communities only work because there are rules to ensure that the community is beneficial to the membership as a whole, and not specific individuals. From what I've read over the past few hours, including legal stuff, Flickr certainly seems to have a requirement to uphold local and international law, even if that law is difficult to understand or support.

@minimal_shine: interessant, hast Du "Deutschland" für vorrängiges Inhalt ausgewählt? (Yahoo » Mein Konto)
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largegreenwood says:

OK, this is simply an outrage.

Flickr Staff, if you read this by any chance: I always thought about upgrading to a PRO account when reaching 200 pictures (at the current rate, in about three months). With this so called "regulations", also known as "not-so-wise interpretation of non-existant laws", I simply don't care any more for flickr. Of course, unless you change it.

The API is great, the whole product is simply wonderful, but this is UNACCEPTABLE!

Congratulations, you lost a customer.
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crazyinthenight says:

@Scytale: "Oops! Looks like you followed a bad link.". Seems not to be a "safety" thing.

BTW: Right, better stick to english so that everyone can follow.
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Sunneschii says:

Oh I'm so mad at the moment.....

Bad enough that they forced me to use yahoo.de (I'd love to use yahoo.ch), but now they make me even pay for that?

(and no, it's not that I think it's right for the Germans... but I'm even more mad because they assumed everyone that used once yahoo.de is a German!)
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rim light says:

I did some test on a "not safe" pic from my german account and it's even worse! I cannot make a guestpass, wether for a contact nor for an eMailadress. I cannot paste a thumbnail (from the "all sizes" function) to a description or comment. Even the thumbnail is not showing...

This is really hard stuff what FlickR is doing here. My pic is no porno etc. - it's from a portrait workshop with a famous photographer...

FlickR is ridiculous! I'm over 18 and living in a free land...
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

@Sunneschii: Hi! When/ow did you find out that you can't use yahoo.ch to register for Flickr?
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Scy83 says:

Nils K. Windisch: Evading the filter is a nice idea if you still want to use Flickr. However, I would ask everyone to seriously re-think if a company that is doing censorship should be supported in any way. Really. You can live without Flickr, and at the moment I can really imagine that I would be happier without it.

Mark Howells: Well, then they shall throw me out. I won't extend my Pro account anyway, and if that censorship thing isn't fixed (as in "undone") until the end of the week, I'll quit anyway. It's not like Flickr themselves had always obeyed to their guidelines, you know. Also, nobody could tell me yet what law exactly it is that's broken by Flickr in Germany, but not in Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands or any other European country.
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playa_pixie says:

I found this link from my flickr friend Aufzynden!.....and do not support this censorship. I live in the US and we also face this....but probably not in the way Germans do. My very own contacts (whose photos are completely artful) are filtered..........makes absolutely no sense.
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Scy83 says:

Aufzynden!: Germany is no free country imho, but that doesn't mean that we should accept any censorship.

crazyinthenight: Sorry. Link fixed.
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minimal_shine says:

@Scytale -funnily enough I couldn't see the photo after following the link.
Come on all this has got to be a joke right? The US in general are well two faced with there stubborn double faced morality and they can view in future what Germany won't be able to?

WTF???
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

@Scytale: I'm sure that the clarification of such a major issue will be resolved soon, as Flickr have always tended to fix problems pretty quickly since I've been a member and the time and investment - not to mention the vast amount of changes within Yahoo! as well - are certainly something that they have prime focus on at the moment. I did link to this a short time ago, which may be the relevant German law:

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/42597/226550/
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Sunneschii says:

I didn't know there was a yahoo.ch.... years back when I created the yahoo account, there was only yahoo.ch
And now, I wanted to switch my yahoo account from Deutsch/Deutschland to Deutsch/Schweiz, but as that doesn't exist, I just assumed there doesn't exist a yahoo.ch
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

Sunneschii: ch.search.yahoo.com/ works (redirect from www.yahoo.ch) and my user details are recognized, but there doesn't seem to be a proper, accessible user interface there. Do you have the facility on your user page (Mein Yahoo!) to change your preferred content source?
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atomtigerzoo says:

Hi new readers! :)
If you want to take action and show that this is not ok, please post/copy/read this action we making on flickr:

No flickr censorship with me!
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Sunneschii says:

I did change the preferred content source (I'm now there at Yahoo.com), but I still can't see the pictures. And I can't turn safe search off.

I'll wait a few hours, and if it didn't change by then, I'll just create a new yahoo account (and will try to delete the old one)
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

Sunneschii: and all your account details are in Switzerland? Perhaps there is a section when you join Yahoo! Deutschland which states that your account is under German law and jurisdiction, in which case, I don't think you'll be able to change it. Essentially, you're using a German service, so I guess you have to play by German rules. Watch out if you're going to change, as you might not be able to change your Flickr account over to the new Yahoo! account without a lot of hassle!
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Triotex says:

This is censorship! And that is not acceptable for me and for many other people here in Europe. They filter photos just like in China - "bad" content, bad tags, bad title --> no one in Germany can see your photos. If you post a scanned old photo from around 1938, it will be blocked?!

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!
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Sunneschii says:

Well.. when I changed to yahoo US! I had to accept a licence whatsoever.
My address and everything at yahoo is Swiss.
Well, I can always try to switch the account to a new Yahoo account, they will tell me if it works or not. (and it better works... or I'll get even angrier than I already am.
At the moment, I can't find anywhere a sign that I belong to Yahoo Germany. It's nowhere mentioned.
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Mark Howells-Mead | mhm.li says:

Which logo are you seeing at the top left corner of the screen, when you're in My Yahoo! - is it Deutschland, U.S., ....? If you're in Yahoo! U.S. then this is getting even more complicated...

...alternatively, try here: www.flickr.com/account/transfer/
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c.zwerg says:

I'm wondering what they will come up with next......
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Sunneschii says:

It's the normal Yahoo! logo....
(the link looks like that: e.my.yahoo.com/config/my_init?.intl=us&.partner=my&am...
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