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i can not see the photos of my contacts.

crazydude2006 says:

i can not see all of my contacts photos and some of my groups are not avaialable.

regards
Posted at 4:03AM, 14 December 2009 PDT ( permalink )

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Martin LaBar (going on hiatus) says:

I went to your Contacts' list, and tried a few of them. I couldn't see them, either. But my SafeSearch filter is set to "on," and I'm not about to change it.

But, judging by your Contacts, you apparently want to see things that I don't. Try changing your SafeSearch setting. See here: www.flickr.com/help/filters/#249
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Wil C. Fry says:

Martin is right -- it's your safe-search setting. Because I have my filter turned off, and I can see all of those photos. Though it made me consider turning on that filter. :-)
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ghostwritahbeatz says:

So, why can't one of my contacts see some pictures i specifically took for her ( I have them restricted for public view), but how can she access them ???
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Flickr Staff

zyrcster says:

Hey there crazydude2006,

As you are coming in from a Yahoo! ID in India, and we just localized our site to India, you won't be able to view moderate or restricted content.
Please see this FAQ for info:
www.flickr.com/help/filters/?search=India#258


Hi ghostwritahbeatz, that would depend on the viewing permissions you have set on the photos and possible the safety level of the photos. Try checking both.
Posted 53 months ago. ( permalink )

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www.dnurv.ca says:

i just got a note from a group member in SE Asia...
presumably India ...who tells me not only that he cannot see images on my restricted stream...

but..
many of his favorites have disappeared... and his posts to my group have vanished...i guess that explains why...

so is this a permanent change...

regardless...this is a regrettable situation...the member in question is a noted and distinguished international photographer...his work which stretches over several decades includes not only some very modest and tasteful nudes but portraits of some of the most immanent figures in Indian politics art and culture...

i am very sorry to see his flickr experience diminished in this way...by the site in league with foreign regimes where free speech and expression is viewed as a threat to the status quo...

Yahoo's Michael Samway made these comments roughly one year ago...

“Yahoo! was founded on the belief that access to information can enrich people’s lives, and we hope this summit and our other initiatives will both stimulate greater awareness about free expression issues and bring others to this important cause.”

question... are the site and it's owners prepared to put their money where their corporate mouth is...or are they going to continue bow to pressure and... fold
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Patrick Costello says:

"i am very sorry to see his flickr experience diminished in this way...by the site in league with foreign regimes where free speech and expression is viewed as a threat to the status quo..."

That would be foreign regimes like Germany then.
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www.dnurv.ca says:

how true...where next California...
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Patrick Costello says:

I think you'll be OK in California. Just don't try to smuggle in any fruit across the state border.
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www.dnurv.ca says:

need i remind everyone that prior to the march '07 roll out of the fabulous flickr filter system there was no effective way to block entire "classes" of content to specific markets at the click of a switch...

we cannot blame countries entirely for limiting freedom of speech and expression...the filters have provided that vehicle for them...

to add insult to injury...the site expects members to do their dirty work for them... by rating their images according to a set of whimsical ever changing standards...standards that the site is too gutless and greedy to define in clear terms for all members to comprehend and abide by...

same old same old...
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www.dnurv.ca says:

not sure about that PC...they banned gay marriage didn't they...i wasn't being coy
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Allan Ludwig says:

There is a vast disconnect between what media corporations say and what they actually do. All the talk about enhancing free expression goes out the window when the big money starts flowing in and they have to both protect their investment and make it grow. India has a lot of people. It is a big marker for flickr. It is more important than enhancing the idea of free speech. That is the pity of it all. I hate to see it happen, but the individual has little power these days.
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www.dnurv.ca says:

just as disturbing as the disconnect you refer to Eli...is the apparent apathy from other members when changes of this nature occur...

it's as though members are saying to themselves...

"no skin off my ass... the site has 40 million members...what's a few hundred thousand accounts here or there...germans members...Indian accounts... pffft"...

by way of silence members affirm that it's okay to segregate entire countries of fellow members and create a second class of accounts...those which are not "good" enough to see the same kinds of images as you and i...

typo edit
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RubyMae says:

I don't think the members are exactly being "silent" but rather, completely unaware that this change has even happened.

I don't belong to any adult groups, and have very few contacts with restricted content, certainly no contacts in India. So, aside from this thread and a single post in another group I had no idea India flickr members were being limited to safe content only.

It is regrettable that Yahoo has chosen to go down this path.
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www.dnurv.ca says:

@Ruby...your comment prompted me to browse the web* for reports on recent India based web restrictions...none to be found...

i'm not sure exactly what Zyrc means by " just localized our site to India" but there may be more to this than i imagined...

so far as i know the site has never unilaterally restricted the flow images to specific markets...at least that's what we've been led to believe...

in either case...you are for the free flow of ideas or you are not...asking members to censor themselves doesn't mean that censorship is not occurring...it just takes the corporation off the hook and allows it to brainwash its membership with catch phrases like "the right to choose" and other liberal sounding cushy bullsh*t...

*perhaps i should have tried bing

typos
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madnzany says:

That's very unfortunate news. I expect that Flickr has had to censor what Indian members can see due to their pornography laws, which makes it illegal to possess or even view porn.

India has a population of 1.175 billion. With Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea, that means nearly 1 in 5 people worldwide are unable to see restricted content. If China were included, that number would double.

Flickr should attempt to encourage countries to be more permissive in what people can view privately in their own homes. I know that as part of a commercial organisation, Flickr have their hands tied, but any constructive attempts to help their members with open dialogue is worth pursuing.
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lucky_dog says:

of the several thousand indian flickr users, i bet not one of them has a flickr pro account, and most of these indian flickr users are here only for the free porn.

glad flickr is fixing this problem and stopping the waste of computing resources.
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www.dnurv.ca says:

dear zany..

"That's very unfortunate news. I expect that Flickr has had to censor what Indian members can see due to their pornography laws, which makes it illegal to possess or even view porn."

this sheds some light on the situation i suppose...but...

why are we seeing this crackdown at this particular juncture in time...accounts in India have had the full run of the site until now...

and

your comments cast some nasty aspersions on the flickr filter system...
i thought it was designed to circumvent the lumping together of all adult content and give members the "right to choose" the kinds of images they wanted to see by differentiating soft nudes from harder "porn like" imagery...

according to your comments and in view of recent filtering trends on the site...photographs of attractive models clad in bikinis are pornographic images...

i don't think that's what you meant to imply...but that's what appears to be happening both on the site and in the case we are discussing...

grammar edit
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www.dnurv.ca says:

lucky dog...say no more...
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s i n h a says:

More perspective here : www.pluggd.in/flickr-blocks-restricted-content-indian-ips...

This aint a new policy, by the way. you cant change Safesearch option for yahoo img search also.
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s i n h a edited this topic 53 months ago.

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www.dnurv.ca says:

@sinha...i think it's healthy to see the issue being more widely reported and discussed outside the confines of this thread...
......
i was curious to find web reports from as early as last June that describing how searches relating to sex and sexual content were excluded from bing search...

in view of the prospective mergers announced between Microsoft and Yahoo in July...

these reports begin to shed light on the spate of account deletions and reviews and on the rash of report abuse cases that have flooded this site over the past several months...
Posted 53 months ago. ( permalink )

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Lú_ says:

d_nurv~unsafe wrote

these reports begin to shed light on the spate of account deletions and reviews and on the rash of report abuse cases that have flooded this site over the past several months..
Not sure how one has to do with the other (or where the idea comes from that there's been an increase in account deletion etc. either - I've certainly seen no evidence of that either here or in the AFM group). The issue with India is the same as with Korea etc.: national law on what can be published on the internet and who can see it affects how major international companies set localized search functions. End of story.
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The Ewan says:

What strikes me is that everything's been fine up until now, when Flickr didn't offer a localised service, so what motivated the creation of a localised Flickr when it's just going to work less well than the unlocalised one? Why put in the extra effort just to stuff people with Indian Yahoo IDs?
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Dinesh Cyanam says:

@lucky_dog: Jus STFU. Go get a life...
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Dinesh Cyanam says:

This happens only if you have an @yahoo.co.in email id. So jus create a @yahoo.com email id and go to your flickr account settings and click on Use a different Yahoo! ID for this Flickr account and give ur new @yahoo.com id... and no more censorship...
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www.dnurv.ca says:

nice one DC...
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Geoff LMV says:

Question for the staff member who posted earlier; Why is it that these kind of news are only disseminated quietly in obscure threads like this? I understand that Flickr (Yahoo) is a global corporation in the business of making money and not fighting the powers that be across the globe. What I don't understand or approve of is why you can not send the strong message to all users that these things are being done. By "strong message" I mean something on the order of making sure nobody in the world who brings up the homepage could possibly unaware of it. Maybe just mention it after the ever-changing greeting. Something like: Oh, we would just like you guys to know that we are now censoring India (insert other counties as applicable).
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www.dnurv.ca says:

if you are Paris Hilton or Pammy Lee no press is bad press...but i suspect issues like this are best kept under wraps by large corporations doing their best to expand their market share grow into new markets while at the same time attempting to keep their shareholders and new partners happy and at bay...

not to mention staying on the right side of EU regulators who are examining whether or not the Microsoft Yahoo merger is a good idea...as we speak...

i asked here in these threads only six months ago what impact the new merger would have on our collective flickr experience...and perhaps members in India are beginning to find out...

typos
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RubyMae says:

Yahoo has been "censoring" content for quite awhile - no need to blame it on microsoft (who isn't even affiliated with flickr at this time).
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nk_sareen says:

I would like the flickr staff to clearly state whether the recently imposed censorship on Indian flickr accounts is:

1. A new flickr/Yahoo policy? If yes, please reason for that.

2. Has the Indian Government asked or forced the flickr to impose it and

3. Is it a recent flickr collaboration with the Government of India, the way Yahoo had collaborated with the Chinese Government in disclosing someone's ID, that some adult content which flickr, or Government of India in its wisdom think is not proper for the adult Indians to view it?
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www.dnurv.ca says:

@Ruby...Yahoo has also been in the habit of providing members in India the free run of the site and all its images...

so as mr sareen's question begs...what's up with the change in policy and why at this particular juncture in time...

when germany was shut down the site was forthcoming with the reasons why...it was due to recommendations from the legal department based on an interpretation of german law...

failing to provide our co-members in India with clear and valid reasons for this recent change doesn't reflect well on the site i'm afraid...in fact i find the evasiveness shown and the omission extremely insulting to members in India whose access to the site has been appreciably altered without warning or reasons given...
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Flickr Staff

zyrcster says:

Hi folks,

As with any country we localize in, we then have to comply with local laws. So, as with the German laws that we must comply with for users with German Yahoo! IDs, for users coming in with Yahoo! IDs from India, we must also comply with their local laws regarding content.

Thanks.
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The Ewan says:

As with any country we localize in,

I think the question is why bother localising in India if it just causes feature regressions when Indian users seem to have been quite happy using the 'international' site?
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nk_sareen says:

Mr Zyrcster you have avoided giving a straight answer, and I surely cannot blame u. I understand ur limitations, but thanks anyway.

As far as complying with the local laws is concerned, how many American CEO's of multinational corporations have been caught and sent behind bars in America, for violating American laws is common knowledge.

Whether collaborating with Chinese Govt to reveal the confidential information or with the GOI in the name of complying with local laws, is nothing but, good business sense.

May I request you to kindly reproduce the relevant paragraph of the Indian law u r complying with, for the benefit of all users.

Do I need to inform you that the world famous treatise on sex called 'KAMA SUTRA' was written by an Indian and there is a world famous place called Khajuraho where every conceivable sexual activity is depicted in sculptures outside the temples.

Illustrated books on this, in words, pictures, cartoons and several other ways are sold on pavements and book stores all over India and are available to any to see, read, buy them.

I agree that sex related material should not b available to children as also to all those who do not want to look at them, as far as I know nobody is forcing or asking anyone to look at them, those who do not wish to see them.

Government of India has neither banned the publication of these books nor I have ever seen anyone under age, boy or girl, being caught or punished or simply stopped from buying these books.
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www.dnurv.ca says:

i tend to agree with mr sareen...someone states in the most off hand terms that India has prohibitive laws for adult content on the web...or staff assure us that all of a sudden and out of the blue the site has determined that it is best for the people of India to have localized flickr access..

so it's case closed and let's move on...

i don't think we need to bring past Yahoo indiscretions or business practices into this discussion...the change that begs answers is a situation that is current and pressing...i won't speculate on what's behind the lack of disclosure...but as i stated earlier...this was not the case when germany went down...

i'm sure if flickr access was limited in the region where i reside...i wouldn't be satisfied with the kinds of responses we are getting here...nor would thousands of others...


grammar edit
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