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Joey L. new book question. ND filter

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Graham Irvine says:

Hi I have been reading the book that was recommended on the blog recently by Joey L and I am loving the photos so far in the book. I was reading this morning and on page 40 he says he uses a 2 stop ND filter and underexposes the background by 2 stops while using his flash to exposure 2 stops higher so the subject is still properly exposed.

The photo that accompanies this on the next page says he shot at 1/50 f/4 and ISO 100. Could he not have used 1/200 second at f/4 iso 100 without a 2 stop ND filter and got the same exposure? I have never used a ND filter and just I am unsure why it was necessary for this.

I just am having trouble understanding the reason, I am not trying to say he was wrong or anything, I know he is a far better photographer than I am.
10:29AM, 21 December 2012 PST (permalink)

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Alfredk says:

Yes he could have but he did not!
Why? I don't know!

Maybe he wanted a slow shutter for motion blur?
Maybe he likes to shoot at 1/50?
Maybe, maybe.......
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strobist is a group administrator strobist says:

Not there, so don't know. But one reason would be to give him variability on the fly. If my balance is even close to my sync speed, I sometimes ND to get the shutter speed a stop or so away from it. Then I can easily vary the BG/ambient light by tweaking the shutter speed on the fly, w/o going past my sync.
62 months ago (permalink)

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rorynolan says:

As David has spoken I am reluctant to suggest that perhaps the nd filter might allow the background to appear more saturated whilst maintaing the proper exposure on the subject. Would this make the 'look'of the flash be more pronounced in this situation?
62 months ago (permalink)

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The Kube Studio says:

Well i think its much simplier, as far as i seen, every video from joey he uses that nd filter, and i guess its because most of the times during day light you have more than 1/200 f4

1/200 f16 would be bright daylight (sunny 16 ) at iso 200, so with ND 2 filter, you get to f8.

If the day is not bright sunny you already on f5'6 f4 wich is where you want to be for those kind of portraits.

The shot you talking about was probably later on the day and the filter was still on camera.

so to pack up, yes he could have used 1/200 and no ND filter, but he probably was shooting from earlier on when it would have been necesary.
62 months ago (permalink)

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Jerry P. H. says:

Doesn't he shoot a lot with a Phase One medium format a lot? That would explain why the lower than what we see as "average" ISO numbers. Also, he uses nothing but Profoto studio heads for the most part as far as I know, so power is not an issue.

The rest, I think DH nailed it... versatility and ease of adjustment. He also uses Lee filters from all that I see and hear about him.
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Graham Irvine says:

strobist:

Oh thank you that makes perfect sense.
62 months ago (permalink)

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The Kube Studio says:

i think on last varanasi video he is using a ranger quadra?

at least it looks like.. maybe wrong though
62 months ago (permalink)

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JennyTog says:

Graham Irvine:

It sounds like he is using a graduated ND filter.
62 months ago (permalink)

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Moon C Photoworks says:

Here is the book and it is fantastic!
62 months ago (permalink)

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Jerry P. H. says:

The kid from Ontario Canada definitely can take a mean photo, but his book writing and video making skills scream that he 'iant no David Hobby when it comes time to delivering that info in a very meaningful manner.

His photos... incredible. His books and vids... well... not so good.
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GBHPhotoArts says:

Foreward by David Hobby, I see.

I think Joey's photos are wonderful. I wonder though, whether at some point he'll need to become Joe Lawrence, or Joseph Lawrence, or J. Lawrence. "Joey" works if you're 18, but maybe not so well at 38.

Anyway, his work in Ethiopia in particular is absolutely first rate.
62 months ago (permalink)

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Rangefindergeneral says:

Sponsored by Lee Filters..???
62 months ago (permalink)

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Moon C Photoworks says:

Joey Lawrence had multitude of stories that needed telling and he did that in his book...

One day when you write a book, let us know. I will buy a copy. Happy holidays!
62 months ago (permalink)

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Jerry P. H. says:

My writing and teaching skills were not the ones being critiqued, however if *you* ever decide to make a book or video, I would be happy to critique yours as well.

As for the book, I owned it and gave it to another photographer, so I can speak from first hand experience and I own the first of David's DVDs and have seen most of David's 2nd set at a friend's.

Where David offers experience and a solid ability to share his knowledge effectively, Joey does extremely well as a photographer, he is just an inexperienced instructor.

I can say that because I have just over 25 years experience as an instructor and know what it takes to convert knowledge in my domain of choice and turn it into an effective and clear lesson. Joey does well, he just doesn't relay effectively very well. Not all expert photographers can be effective teachers. That is not being disrespectful to anyone, that is being honest.
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Creative_Light_Photography says:

Another reason he may have used ND filter was that his strobe was already set to the lowest power setting and he wanted a larger aperture for a shallower depth of field. When I go out and shoot with my 50 or 85 mm lens with a alien bees b1600 I always start with a 2 stop filter, because I know I have enough light power and a 2 stop ND filter isn't enough to give my autofocus system a problem. Every strobist should have at least 1 2 stop ND filter
61 months ago (permalink)

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-JasonM- says:

It says in the book because he shoots medium format he has low sync speed.
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Jerry P. H. says:

Yes, that is totally normal. The Phase One has a max sync speed of 1/125th.

Its not an advantage, not a disadvantage, it is just the specs it has. :)
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Creative_Light_Photography says:

Slower sync speed????

I thought the the mamiya leaf lenses synced at 1/800 or 1/1600th
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SweetMK22 says:

Creative_Light_Photography:

I thought the the mamiya leaf lenses synced at 1/800 or 1/1600th

I have a Mamiya to play with, (I use my D7000 as a lightmeter!!) my reading on the subject says the flash can be used at any shutter speed.
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maj_mercado says:

On my camera with a 1/500s sync, I usually try to hit at 1/250s. This way I could easily control the ambient by playing the shutter speed. So if 10 seconds from now the clouds move and suddently there is too much ambient around, I still have 1 more stop before having to tweak flash power.

Also, I could easly have 3 versions of the same shot. One at ideal, another at 1 stop under and another at 1 stop over.

BTW, instead of an ND, I use a cheap hoya green (or kenko purple) CPL with around 1 and 1/2 stop light loss. Hits 2 birds with one stone. I stress it's a cheap one as the more expensive hoyas have very little light loss.
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donkittle says:

The P65+ can sync to 1/800 or 1/1600 only with a newer DF or DF+ body and with a leaf shutter lens. If you have an older body or if you have one of their D or older lenses, it's 1/125th tops. Base ISO of the back is 50 and he's usually shooting with an 80mm f2.8 though I've seen him with a 45mm (~28mm equiv) from time to time.
58 months ago (permalink)

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