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OT: Anyone doing really good products on white with a soft shadow

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josh.r says:

Looking for working pro-photographers (think wonderful machine quality not flickr) who are doing it well. I just need to see some examples and thought you guys might know some people who do it. Thanks.
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Inpernity [deleted] says:

home.the-aop.org/Portfolios
66 months ago (permalink)

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josh.r says:

which photographer are you saying does a lot of soft shadows on pure white?
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The Kube Studio says:

what do you mean as soft shadows on pure white?

do you have an example? im just curious..
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josh.r says:

You know I don't actually. Nothing really nice, hence the request. Adam Voores has nice examples that are not on white. Here is one voorhes.com/PORTFOLIO/STILL-LIFE-2/15/

I want to see if anyone is doing this on white and making it look good. My experience is that it's basically impossible to do without a bit of post work and clipping the whites a little. If you do it with a hard shadow it's easy enough because there is a lot of contrast between the shadow and the white but with the soft shadow it just never really looks good to me. So I was hoping to see someone who was doing awesome work in that style.
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crphotoboy says:

Kyle Dreier a food shooter does a little. www.dreier.com/portfolio/thumbs.php
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josh.r says:

I recognize the shot of his with the hot dog and all the ketchup and mustard. Love his work. I don't see any examples of it though. He does the same thing I do, and everyone else it seems, which is hard shadows or reflections. I think I am going to be able to do reflections for what I am currently working but it's still an interesting question. Does any high end shooter do that style of work regularly and make it look good?
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josh.r says:

When I used to work as a designer and retoucher on automotive stuff that was what was always done as well. It's entirely possible that it always requires post to create. Not sure. I mean I certainly always need post to create it but I kind of always assumed someone else knew how to do it.
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josh.r says:

That shot doesn't have a soft shadow. It's easy to create a reflection in camera with no post work. Also I am not afraid of using post anyway, the question is much more about the content than the technique. I would say pure white with a soft shadow isn't a particularly interesting way of lighting something and as such most people don't do it. I was hoping someone might have a link for someone that does an awesome job with it though.
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The Kube Studio says:

I have a related question:

im doing a project for a client where i do plastic wrapped products on pure white, and while i do pretty ok with the single products, doing family composites its much harder.

If i put them on a white flooring, to get the floor to get white, i blow the plastic, and if i try to do it in post then it doesnt looks that good anymore

Since you saying that doing white with strong shadows its easy on camera, can you give me an example of a setup for it?

the main problem i have is to avoid the speculars aswell.

thx
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Alfredk says:

Is this soft enough? I have no idea what you are asking for?
What is your object, how big is it?

For this picture I used a huge softbox about 12 inches from the rings for the main light and there is another huge light on the right for fill.

Wedding Bands
The only way to have soft shadows is to have a huge light source, in comparison to the object, and be very close to the object being photographed.
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-craigulator- says:

- that's a great example!
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josh.r says:

I remember your project but not the particulars. Looking at your stream I would probably start with a softbox from behind and the subject sitting on white plexiglass, glass, black tile, or a mirror. I wouldn't light it from the front but just use big pieces of foam core on either side of the lens and angled back to light the front. It's hard to know exactly how it would work but that would be my first attempt.

What I am shooting in this case isn't important. I might start another thread because it has become a huge challenge of it's own but for different reasons. In the end I did a reflection and not a soft shadow. In either case, while your example is lovely it's not on pure white. I like to call that soft white but whatever you call it it's not 255, 255, 255.
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Don Giannatti (aka wizwow) says:

www.kevincremens.com/

vickylam.com/

www.anniemartinphotography.com/portfolio-1 (toward the end)

Nick has a few in his port as well : ntphoto.com/

Someone great once said: "The only way to have soft shadows is to have a huge light source, in comparison to the object, and be very close to the object being photographed."

I agree.

I do not have access to my older things, but I would use a 4'x6' scrim with a 2x2 or 2x3 softbox behind it. The box gave me a bright 'area' and the scrim would light up all under whatever I was shooting.

Shadow was as soft as we wanted and we could control it by bringing the softbox closer to the scrim to increase it and backing it up to decrease the shadow (it lit the whole scrim so it was 'bigger' in relation to the subject.
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Alfredk says:

It is extremely important to know what the object is you are trying to light, at least for me it is!

Yes I know this background is not 255 255 255, I never shoot to pure white, it is impossible to print 255 255 255 in magazines and this shot was for such occasion.

If I need 255 255 255 for the web I will pull it in PS, in my experience shooting for pure white will most of the time leave things blown out and contrast suffers significantly around the objects edges.

hehehe thanks man, I am glad someone knows what I am talking about!

Sorry I could not help!
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josh.r says:

I'm not asking about what I am shooting at the moment. I am asking if anyone is doing good work with soft shadows on white. Since I am not currently shooting a soft shadow on white it won't help one way or the other.
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The Kube Studio says:

josh.r:

Yes the single ones are "easy" im having troubles with group ones, i don't have any uploaded, but basically is something between 8 and 12 of those products together in one shot.
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