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Avec Lumière says:

A police booking photo of a celebrity ("Iron Chef" Cat Cora). Not a bad setup in a cop station. Three light sources - what are they? Here's the link to the full story:
tv.yahoo.com/news/no-jail-time-cat-cora-dui-case-report-1...


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^M^ says:

... nice photostream .... ???post???

Link won't help with lighting details.... but it's standard use for all NGI in current use ... tat's will probably start nationally soon ...
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Nionyn_ is a group moderator Nionyn_ says:

I'm confused. Someone help me out here, please...

What's this thread for?
The story is of no interest (I've never heard of this woman and have no idea who she is, and I doubt it's relevant) and there's nothing in the linked article that has anything to do with photography, let alone lighting.
The lighting in the photo looks like bog-standard mugshot or passport booth fare.
Having looked at the OP's stream I doubt they're interested in how this was lit (they have great stuff in their stream, incidentally), so I cannot imagine that they actually want to know what the light sources were...

Are we supposed to guess?
Should this be marked "OT"?
Any clues as to what this is about, please...?
{shrug}
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shoens says:

I read the story and it said she blew a .20 for her blood alcohol content. In 35mm equivalent, that's -- what? -- about f/11 I think.

Not sure if the police use continuous lights or flash though.
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The Kube Studio says:

well i find interesting the catch light...

the 3 lines look cool...
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Kinematic Digit says:

I wonder if Martin Schoeller is working for the Santa Barbra Police now....

A slightly larger version of the image:
kcoy.images.worldnow.com/images/18996693_BG2.jpg

Always thought his photos looked like police mug shots.
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strobist is a group administrator strobist says:

If this is a standard setup for lighting for future mug shots, we are going to need new derogatory slang for head shots. 'Cause we won't be able to call them mug shots any more.
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APD Photo says:

Gives mug shots a bad name.
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andrew71ca says:

Could really use a hair light for background separation..
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kraig7777 says:

A little flat? It's horrible.
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eriksweeklyphoto says:

About a year ago I had to take a photograph of my daughter for a visa application. I sat her down in our basement with a white wall as background and used two umbrellas at 45-45 to light her evenly. I pulled the umbrellas in close to reduce the intensity of unattractive highlights off her skin.

A few days after submitting the application we learned that the photo had been rejected by the Chinese embassy. Yes, that's right, I took a passport photo and it wasn't up to spec! Because I'd pulled the umbrellas in close, the white background appeared gray, and that just wasn't acceptable to folks at the Chinese visa office. On the second go I pulled my light back and and sat my daughter right in front of the wall. The result was a much worse photo, but sometimes a guy's got to make compromises in the name of international comity.

--Erik
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Alfredk says:

Cat Cora is a US cooking show star and Iron Chef.

Soon they'll be doing skin retouching on mug shots :))
I like Cat, but she needs to lay of the Ouzo a little :)
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thorsten198 says:

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That's strange, I just checked the requirements for biometric passport photos here in Germany, since I will have to take one from my (8months) little niece this week and they damand a background in neutral grey!

Any hints how to keep her quiet looking into the camera, not to tilt/shift her head, neutral face expression and lips closed?
No, I cannot use velcro!
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Nionyn_ is a group moderator Nionyn_ says:

I've received a nice Fmail from Adrian Lin ( Avec Lumière, the OP), explaining that he really did hope to find out if anyone knew what the actual setup and lights might be for the photo posted.

So, does anyone know what kind of lighting the police in the US use these days for their mugshots? , I believe you might have access to some inside information - would you happen to know, perhaps?

Incidentally, folks, Adrian has wonderful work both in his photostream on Flickr and on his website. I'd encourage you to have a look. :-)

Alfred: I've never heard the expression "iron chef" before, but I get the idea, I think. Thanks. :-)

EDIT
I had some passport/visa photos done a few months ago in a coin-operated photobooth in my local post office. My memory is that the lighting was three linear flash tubes, above and to each side of the camera - giving a somewhat similar effect to that in the photo posted.
I am in the UK, however, and have not set foot in a police station for many years now - and am not in a position to know what is used by the police in the US.
Anyone know?
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alohadave says:

The catchlights look like what you are describing Sion.

However, when I got my passport picture done at CVS (a US drugstore), they used a shitty P&S camera with the built-in flash. A truly horrendous picture that I get to use for the next ten years. It took several tries to get a usable picture since I kept blinking from the pre-flashes.
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Nionyn_ is a group moderator Nionyn_ says:

Heh, the photos I had done were utterly gotesque too. It was a photobooth, but that doesn't mean that the 'camera' was any better than a shitty P&S, of course. I dread to think what shape the lens could have been - surely I couldn't possibly look that bad in real life... ;-)
It took me a number of attempts too, but mainly because the interface was borked and I spent most of the time trying to chase the cursor around the screen. It was like some spectacularly cheap and nasty video game.
Fortunately I used my photos for a visa, and I no longer have any of the prints. :-D
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Kinematic Digit says:

eriksweeklyphoto said:

A few days after submitting the application we learned that the photo had been rejected by the Chinese embassy. Yes, that's right, I took a passport photo and it wasn't up to spec! Because I'd pulled the umbrellas in close, the white background appeared gray, and that just wasn't acceptable to folks at the Chinese visa office. On the second go I pulled my light back and and sat my daughter right in front of the wall. The result was a much worse photo, but sometimes a guy's got to make compromises in the name of international comity.
It has no bearing on your skills as a photographer. Its more to do with the ability to scan the images for facial recognition software. Each country has a very slightly different spec for their visa and passport photos, but most of them are designed in such a fashion so that facial recognition software can find the necessary landmarks for their software.

A specific background is usually based on what they 'key' the photo from as well so often they are very specific of what the background colour is (mostly based on what they have calibrated their facial recognition software too).

In the past they weren't too specific about emotions or smiles on faces, but this is because they didn't do facial recognition in that time
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strobist is a group administrator strobist says:

FWIW, I have already reached out to the Santa Barbara Police Dept., and do indeed have the BTS for this. There is a post coming later this week. Pretty cool, actually.
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chrishirst says:

Whats an Iron Chef?
Shouldn't she be either ironing or cooking?
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103antares says:

Apparently, she cooks with alcohol. For those unaware, Iron Chef is a TV show that centers on cullinary challenges. I would be surprised to learn it was not a Brittish show first (that's how US tv rolls).
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Kinematic Digit says:

Japan was the origin and original franchise of the show. 'Iron' refers to the warrior like status of the cook, or literally 'Ironmen'
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dkmurphypr says:

Iron Chef America is a tv show on Food Network TV that features "iron chefs" taking on challengers. The show is based on a Japanese show. Each episode features a "secret ingredient" and the chefs, assisted by two sous chefs, must make five courses each of which features the secret ingredient. The meals are then judged by a three-judge (sometimes four-judge) panel and a winner is named.

For those interested in learning more, click here.
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Alfredk says:

It was a Japanese show originally, matter of fact they still run some of them :))
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Alfredk says:

It looks like a three light setup.
One small strip light on each side and one light from top on camera axis.
I will be going to have my drivers license renewed tomorrow, I will look what they use in my town.
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www.nickgironphoto.com says:

It's official.

I have no life.

172447
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Avec Lumière says:

: Dave, you rock. Thanks for "reaching out"!! Or, did you actually get "booked"? :-)
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Alfredk says:

hehehehehe you changed the catch lights, you cheat!
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www.nickgironphoto.com says:

haha!!
Good catch Alfred!!
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Alfredk says:

Hey I am bored as well, the lighting is not bad at all :))



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joe crocco says:

@Alfredk Nice job on the retouch!
Now I'm thinking, lift her off that gray background and replace it with a killer HDR scene. A wide angle cell block shot might be in order. Hmmm :))
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lowflash (Brian) says:

It is in Southern California after all. You can't swing a monopod without hitting someone who knows how to light out there. I'm hoping there's some cool police officer on the force who is a Strobist reader and is applying his skillz in his work.
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www.nickgironphoto.com says:

I was going more for the 85mm 1.8 low output strobe look Alfred.
A little warmer, limited DOF and I even added a spray light.

Very well done my friend.

I wonder if everybody turned one in for homework. . . . .
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Alfredk says:

New version :))


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Shambrick says:

We are heading into meme territory..
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Edward Yezekian (EY Photo) says:

fstoppers would probably make a contest out of this.
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=Paul says:

Fark's lawyers have already begun drafting a C&D letter.
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Edward Yezekian (EY Photo) says:

here is mine.

Cat Cora
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Avec Lumière says:

Ha ha ha... what a creative bunch you guys are! So, the motto of the story is that if a model wants to get a quick "beauty shot" tell her to get booked into a cop station... :D
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Rangefindergeneral says:

In the UK all police stations have rock star photographers and they all use iPhones with the instamug app....!


Instamug


Oh crap that's quite good...!
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joe crocco says:

@Alfredk Perfect Comp!!

I wonder if the booking process will now have to include signing a model release. :)
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www.nickgironphoto.com says:

@Edward- Like the added outfit change.
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KluZz says:



Sorry, couldn't help myself...
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www.nickgironphoto.com says:

Hahaha.
Sweeeeet!!
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Alfredk says:

This is kind of fun, I think we should have a creative thread like this more often.
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Rangefindergeneral says:

Oh loving this...!
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strobist is a group administrator strobist says:

Oh geez, now I am gonna have to link to this thread...
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Miguel Y Griega says:

I gotta find a pic of a MILK CARTON, and put a HAVE YOU SEEN ME ....

Argghghghghg
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Edward Yezekian (EY Photo) says:

@nick I think gold lamee beats hospital scrub blue any day.
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Nionyn_ is a group moderator Nionyn_ says:

Obvious I know, but here's my homework...

Prison_wk_crop-500x
Cell bars by LazyEye (Sean Frigot): Creative Commons licence.
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Alfredk says:

hehehe good one! Nionyn!
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Wink of an Eye Digital Media says:

LOL
Dave April fool comes late this year

yes it's kinda like a good photo booth They get sooo many celebs they should even hire a Makeup artist.

I'm here for my close up Mr Gibson
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Rich Baum says:

Sorry I don't have a retouch of this photo but I can add my $ .02

From looking at the catchlight, could it be something like this?

Screen Shot 2012-08-23 at 7.16.29 AM

I know forensic photographers use ringlights all the time.

OK, here is a new photo for you all to play with, I would love to see your results

Screen Shot 2012-08-23 at 7.24.54 AM
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Edward Yezekian (EY Photo) says:

Rich Baum the mystery's been solved

strobist.blogspot.com/2012/08/sbpd-booking-mug-booth-is-p...
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Avec Lumière says:

: DH, thank you for answering my question with such an awesome detail!
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Rich Baum says:

Sure, that's it... Oh well, I tried..

Kind of makes you wonder, when they have a whole room dedicated to "Mug Shots" (that's totally wrong to me)
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KluZz says:

McKayla Maroney not being impressed has been done to death already. It's even been on Letterman, the final nail in the coffin of most memes:

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c8KEQ...
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jamesd3rd says:

How do you not know what Iron Chef is? I mean even if you channel surf, you're bound to stumble across it at some point. With the overwhelming number of celebrity chefs it's hard not to.

Plus if anyone is married or has a significant other that is good in the kitchen, they undoubtedly watch the Food Network Channel.
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dkmurphypr says:

How do you not know what Iron Chef is? I mean even if you channel surf, you're bound to stumble across it at some point. With the overwhelming number of celebrity chefs it's hard not to.

Plus if anyone is married or has a significant other that is good in the kitchen, they undoubtedly watch the Food Network Channel.


Yeah, but from what I've heard not everyone lives in the US, and even in the US a lot of people don't have cable and don't know what Food Network Channel is, let alone Iron Chef America.
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Edward Yezekian (EY Photo) says:

people in the US don't have cable? ugh, that is so sad. it's time us Americans refocus our benevolence. charity begins at home, you know.

next thing you're going to tell me, is there are hungry children in America too. ha! that'll be the day!
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Jon Mather | jonmatherphotography.com.au says:

I posted recently in the Lighting Essentials group a similar post, except it was the mass murdered from the recent Batman movies.




Looks like in that one they left the ceiling light off.
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Edward Yezekian (EY Photo) says:

Makes sense that PD's would use strip for their lighting, they can be tucked onto the corners and out of the way, and have a smaller footprint than say umbrellas, and they are less conspicuous, especially in wooden casings.

The light has to be good and even for mug shots, they are used to identify criminals of crimes committed in the future. And on. Amera flash as would be expected usually creates hotspots hen not diffused, and let's face it, the average cop is no McNally.

This seems to be the most efficient, and simple way to take a good representation of someone without any shadows or hotspots which may bring some ambiguity to the subject's natural appearance.
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