amkhosla 7:50pm, 19 March 2010
Thank you for adding this restriction.

Ashok
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that's not a problem and its a pet hate of mine that isn't enforced in other groups.
Joan Gellatly PRO 8 years ago
I'm just curious, Steve. Why do you have the nest restriction? Do you feel it is exploitative/dangerous/? to the birds? I am pleased to be a member of the group and I don't feel the rule is a bad thing. Just wonder about the source of it?
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As a volunteer for the RSPB in the UK, as such I would never knowingly approach a nest to get a photo, there are occasions where it would be completely unobtrusive but as I cant see how an image was taken I have no option but to blanket ban them.
Sorry if this doesn't work well in your country
Joan Gellatly PRO 8 years ago
I'm not sure it has to do with the country but I think it is a GOOD policy. I agree that you can never be sure how the photo was taken. This discussion has made me think more deeply about approaching nests and I thank you for that. I will also raise the issue more aggressively with my photo buddies here in Arizona, US. Look forward to participating in the group.
Daren Smith 8 years ago
Hi JoanGeAZ
Might be worth looking into in the USA but we have a list of protected birds here in the UK which is policed by in our region our local police officers. Problem is, that sometimes photographers are so blinkered by their want for a shot, the welfare of the subject is forgotten, and that of course should be considered first and foremost. Youngsters and eggs can be left abandoned by the thoughtless actions of photographers, and that is not good!
admin
Well positioned Daren
Joan Gellatly PRO 8 years ago
This discussion prompted me to investigate a bit further. Cornell Labs is a key academic institution involved in birds in the US and they have a nest watch program. Follow this link to see their recommendations in monitoring nests.
www.nestwatch.org/NetCommunity/bbimages/PDFs/CodeOfConduc...
I found some good tips here.
Perhaps there is something about the difference in the countries. Maybe related to size of open areas and population density.
admin
Joan a useful link with some good tips which should be adhered too. For me though I would personally rather not go anywhere a nesting bird till the young have fledged.
I would say that if the person knew what they were doing and had the necessary skill / training then it would be okay but those people are few and far between. In the UK the RSPB have a code regarding birds and birdwatching
www.rspb.org.uk/advice/watchingbirds/code/index.asp
Daren Smith 8 years ago
Ok, something contravertial (sorry speel check naff!)

What about shots of nesting sea birds?
Chicks

This was taken at Bempton Cliffs from a viewing platform, attended by hoards each spring/summer and obviously poses no disturbance to the nest or chicks.
admin
I knew this would come up, I had a similar discussion on another forum, I walk my dog along a river most days, every year I can guarantee that mallards, coots, morehens and in one location a kingfisher will have nests (Kingfisher a Schedule 1 protected bird) My point was the same, I am on a public footpath and as such the bird will see a number of people, dogs etc pass by them every day so why can't I photograph them and post them knowing that the bird hasn't been disturbed.
I suppose from a group perspective it can't be managed by the admin as they wouldnt know the lay of the land
rampant river [deleted] 8 years ago
Hi Steve.

I have no probelm with shots of nests and young when taken in the situations that both you and Darren find yourselve in. This as you say does not disturb the birds or their young as they see it all day every day.
The ones that I do have issue with, is those that purposely go out of their way to get close to a nest to get the shot and have no thought for the birds and their young. In some cases illlegally.
Just last spring I had cause to have a go at my nephew, he went around to my sister- in- law's house, where she had Blue Tits nesting in her nesting box, later that day he told me that he couldn't get a shot of the birds or their young as he could not get the top off the box. I them proceeded to explain to him that you never purposely try to get inside any box or close to any nest just to get the shot. THE BIRDS WELLFARE HAS TO COME FIRST.
OneShotww 8 years ago
Interesting....... I've been to two rookeries that are located among alligator farms. There are quite a few nesting birds a few feet from the wooden boardwalks and they don't seem to mind being photo'd. I have to think they wouldn't build their nests that close year after year if they were bothered by the proximity of the watchers/photographers.

They are great egrets and tri-colored herons for the most part. I've never seen anyone harrass them and I've spent hours there photoing.

Just my two cents as I don't pretend to speak for any other locations than these two rookeries.
admin
I don't disagree and I also have the same experiences especially from public rights of way, the problem I have is that I do not know how the image was obtained and the location so for the group its no nest shots.

I have a schedule 1 protected species in the UK that nests on a river about 10 metres from a public footpath, I can stand and watch, the fishermen can fish in front of the nest and my dog can swim in the river but by law I can't photograph the bird near its nest site, I would be breaking the law
OneShotww 8 years ago
Hmmmm, you can stand there and watch the bird but cannot photo it with a zoom lens? I'd be hard pressed to not do it.
john.dart 8 years ago
Crikey I had better not copy some of my old slides!

All taken at the nest!

That was after a few weeks of work, building a hide slowly, a liittle closer each day. slowly building a tower or frame work in the tree!

Then getting up real early !

Back then long lenses were really out of my reach!

Also we did not have Falconry centres, farms with tame birds, bird parks etc

Sitting in the hide was so interesting. Also around birds of prey nests would be clusters of small birds nesting as well,

Film was dear and it was a 10 day turn around when you finally finished the roll.

Sometimes due to work committments after all that work only a few shots were obtained.

Still it was very rewarding! Oh for digital then!

Cheers John, Western Australia.
Interesting subject. I have Swallows nesting under the roof of my shed, just above the door, they are unperturbed by our presence in the garden, although they did buzz my wife several times during fledging. I painted the shed recently, they remained unphased, when I painted the deck directly below the nest, they carried on as though I was not there, attending the nest, I leaned back and saw one fly in above me,just 2m away, remarkable!. Needless to say I have some images of the young in the nest, could`nt let this pass by. But I agree in principle with your ruling of no nest shots, I guess mine is a one off situation, I d`ont approach nests otherwise.
birdwalkers Posted 8 years ago. Edited by birdwalkers (member) 8 years ago
I underestand the rule and will honor it. In the US the do not disturb nesting rule is mostly limited to the Bald Eagle. Our nearest national Park the Cuyahoga Valley attracted a nesting pair 3 years ago. It was widely publisied not to enter the eagle area. Of couse every year Federal rangers make arrests I wouldn't risk that hassle Lucky for me I got the experience on private land. I have a boat in Western Ohio. A bar nearby attracted a pair of eagles to nest in a tree behind the bar's parking lot and volleyball courts.No 1/2 mile hike through a marsh to reach. No Federal cops to arrest you. These birds were almost totally adjusted. I spent many days from March to June watching and shooting with no fewer that 10 other shooters. The pair wasn't totally unaware of us. At times one of the adults would launch at us . Nothing like focusing on an agitated raptor with seven foot wings coming at your lens with talons forward. They of course always pull out. No sane person would take a lift up there to band then. Unfortunatly most states do persue raptors on public lands to grab and band the young. I witnessed this a few years back with a nest of Peregrine falcons on a bridge. A very ugly scene three little falcons snatched,inspected,banded The adults attacked the Wildlife workers. The little birds are way too hard to get to. I generally leave bird nests alone. I'll keep the fewshots I have private
Sam
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