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Visual Impact ADMIN August 27, 2008
Reminder, ignore floods. When a rule breaker has posted two or more consecutive photos, don't bother commenting on any of them. Instead, comment on the next three proper posts as usual. The flood will be drained as soon as possible.

Group Description

Structure of your comment: (please read rules first)

<b>plus:</b> ___
<b>minus:</b> ___

(from the <a href="https://www.flickr.com/groups/plusandminus/">Plus-Minus Comment</a> group)

Rule Summary

Post one image, comment on ALL of the preceding 3 images with plus and minus comments that are different than other member's comments, wait 3 more images before posting again. Please note that the combined total of your words must be at least 7.


Overview / Sound Bite

Are you disenchanted with existing ratings or comments groups? This group may be just what you're looking for...
This group was created to solve problems I've found exist with the comments and ratings groups.


What is the concept?

The idea of this group is simple: provide a place for people to post their photos where they can get both positive and negative feedback with these benefits:
1. A member commenting on a photo does not feel uncomfortable providing negative feedback
2. A member must provide positive feedback
3. A member does not have the pressure of determining what a photo's score is.


Why submit to comments/ratings groups?

If you submit your photo to comments and ratings groups, what are you really trying to achieve? I think people are looking for the following:
1. People want to guage how good their photo is
2. People want other people to see their photo (it is ok to admit this. Everyone wants visibility in flickr)
3. People want feedback on the quality and emotional response of the photo.


There are flaws with both comments and ratings group.

1. Some people just post pictures for visibility and leave tiny comment snippets like 'nice one' or 'that looks great'. These comments provide little real impact on the person who submitted the photo.
2. Some people like to kick people in the teeth by handing them a low rating when it really is out-of-whack with the quality of the photo. These people usually leave little or no comments to back up their score
3. There is a serious conformity effect on scoring. The first person to score sets the tone for the rest of the scoring and all scores that follow do not deviate more than one point from the original score. Check it out if you don't believe me. It's true. I recommend reading this classic psych study for why this occurs:
www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/asch_conformity...

Rules:



1. You must comment on the previous three images in the image stream.

2. You must wait until 3 images have passed until you can post another photo.

3. Your must provide one (and only one) positive constructive comment and one (and only one) negative constructive comment per image. If you fav a photo, you do not have to leave a negative comment, otherwise you do.

Let me emphasize this point: If you do not favorite an image, you MUST provide a minus constructive comment.

BTW, these are not minus comments and do not count:
"I don't see anything wrong with this photo"
"I have nothing bad to say about your image"

4. Emotional posts DO NOT COUNT.
Examples of emotional posts:
"looks great", "it sucks", "doesn't work for me". Those do not fly in this group and violate the spirit of this group.
Examples of constructive comments:
"I like the crop of this photo. It includes the entire subject"
"The lighting is too dark in the lower half of the photo"

5. You can NOT make the same observation another person in this group has made. This is the part that hopefully fixes the social engineering issue. You MUST make a new positive and negative observation on the photo. This will leave the poster with 3 positive comments and up to 3 negative comments.

6. No tasteless photos. Yes, nude photos are OK if done "with style". I think the audience here is more mature so nude photos make sense. Nude photos posted to get attention, however, I think violate the spirit of the group, so lets be reasonable...
Side Note: You may post a tasteful nude photo, BUT because it will be marked as moderated/restricted, not everyone may see it. So if you don't receive a comment on it, don't be suprised.

7. No "post and run" comments. The quality of this group is directly related to the comments left by each member. Short 1 or 2 word comments are not in the spirit of this group and will result in immediate removal. If the number of words used for plus and minus comments combined is less than 7, I will remove you. Two short sentences will more than cover this. I know this sounds a bit draconian, but I need some rule of thumb for removing people who don't carry their weight, so this is it.

8. No removal of an image that has received a comment. There is a growing trend for people to remove an image that has been in a group.This is done for one of two reasons: to either repost it back to the group for more comments / favorites or to reduce the number of groups an image is in to make it look better. If you are caught pulling an image that has had a +/- comment on it you will be immediately banned from this group.

9. You can skip image floods
When someone floods the pool they never provide comments & force members to comment on the same person repeatedly.
Please skip image floods as if they didn't exist, moving onto the next image because the flood will be deleted.
Example post:
[your image] [good user #1 image] [flood] [flood] [flood] [good user #2 image] [good user #3 image]
> you skip the 3 flood images and comment on user #1, #2, & #3.

And... "everything" or "nothing" as a comment either in the plus or minus comment is grounds for immediate ban. It basically indicates you don't care and have given no thought to your comments.


A special note about minus comments (Ancillary Rules)

Don't take minus comments personally. This is a plus and minus group, so by design, you are going to get minus comments. You may find these comments very harsh, but keep these thoughts in mind:
a. If someone can give you an honest, detailed minus observation, you are getting a perspective that quite honestly, few other groups allow you to get.
b. This is not a praise-only group. If you post what you feel to be a perfect photo and are expecting only favorites, you are going to be in for a suprise. And a member may favorite and still give a minus feedback. That is ok.
c. This is not a ratings group. One bad comment will not impact a score because there is no score. If you are simultaneously posting this photo to a ratings group and this group, you may want to rethink your motives and strategy. For instance, I think a good use of this group would be to fine-tune an image. Lets say you're on the fence with a crop, lighting, filter, etc. You can post it to this group, get the honest feedback you are looking for and then post the adjusted photo to different, ratings based groups if you so desire. Do NOT however keep sending the same photo back to this group for further refinement...

So, with that in mind here are the minus ancillary rules:

BTW, I have not seen any of these things happening, so this is a bit of a pre-emptive prevention policy...

1. Do not post rebuttal or defensive comments or go on a revenge commenting spree.
2. Do not email a person to argue a point, start an argument, etc...
3. Do not delete +/- comments made on your photo. If you think a comment violates the spirit of this group, email me or post a message and I will look into the issue.

In summary, giving and receiving minus comments may not be everyone's cup of tea, but do not feel afraid to speak your mind in a minus comment for fear of reprisal or hatred by the other person. When someone joins this group, they agree to receive minus comments. That is part of the gig and hopefully what makes this group special, not something to be afraid of.


Structure of your comment:

<b>plus:</b> ___
<b>minus:</b> ___

(from the <a href="https://www.flickr.com/groups/plusandminus/">Plus-Minus Comment</a> group)


Example comment:

plus: the subject of the photo generates an emotional response in me.
minus: the photograph is too blurry to see the details of the person's face.

(from the Plus-Minus Comment group)


Miscellaneous Guidelines

1. You are more than welcome to post your comments in your native language. Members can translate these comments via babelfish.altavista.com/tr . Keep in mind that if you use collequialisms or strange language specific terms they may translate oddly...

2. Although reposting an adjusted image is frowned upon, there is a thread in this group for posting adjusted images or lessons learned images: Post adjusted images here. See the thread for more details.

3. You can provide +/- comments to more than the 3 previous images.

Rule Violations:

If you violate a rule, you will banned from the group. If you feel you were following the rules and were banned, feel free to email an admin. These 4 violation will cause an immediate ban:
1. no comments
2. a comment with < 7 words
3. flooding
4. a kick in the teeth comment (example: plus=nothing, minus=everything)

This is primarily a member moderated forum so I'm not browsing through the images looking for violations. I am more interested in seeing people's commentary to improve my own vocabulary.

For those who feel another member has violated the rules on their photo, you can either post a message on the "Rule Breakers" thread or email me directly. Do not delete the offending post until I have had a chance to review it. Once I have you are free to delete it and I will personally provide a more suitable comment on your photo.

And... if your ban is lifted and you rejoin and complain about being banned we will ban you on the spot. If you are banned, you should review the rule breakers thread to see why you were banned.


Recommended Groups

Well, I've got only one other group that I really enjoy posting to. It is the Haiku group started by "My Daily Struggle". The tie-in to this group is that it is another group that encourages the viewer to think about another person's photo because you've got to write a Haiku on it. And what better comment can you give a poster of an image than a poem?

Group Rules

This group does have a few rules. You must agree to follow these rules to be a member of this group. Violation of these rules will result in a removal / ban based on the severity. This is a recap of the rules listed in the group's description.

1. You must comment on the previous three images in the image stream.

2. You must wait until 3 images have passed until you can post another photo.

3. Your must provide one (and only one) positive constructive comment and one (and only one) negative constructive comment per image. If you fav a photo, you do not have to leave a negative comment, otherwise you do.

4. Emotional posts DO NOT COUNT.
Examples of emotional posts:
"looks great", "it sucks", "doesn't work for me". Those do not fly in this group and violate the spirit of this group.

5. You can NOT make the same observation another person in this group has made.

6. No tasteless photos. Yes, nude photos are OK if done "with style". I think the audience here is more mature so nude photos make sense.

7. No "post and run" comments. The quality of this group is directly related to the comments left by each member. Short 1 or 2 word comments are not in the spirit of this group and will result in immediate removal. If the number of words used for plus and minus comments combined is less than 7, I will remove you.

8. No removal of an image that has received a comment for 30 days.

Additional Info

  • Members can post 1 thing to the pool each day.
  • Accepted content types: Photos, Images, Art
  • Accepted safety levels: Safe
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