pdxblazer503 3:20pm, 27 June 2008
Anyone interested in shooting this event?

Taming the wild horse, it is freaking thrilling. in St Paul
I do not have the schedule yet, but will update, just want to know
who's interested in going over there shoot together.

metakephoto PRO 10 years ago
Honestly I don't know what to think of "Taming the Wild Horse", at first glance it looks quite cruel and wrong. But i'm not educated enough in the rodeo and horses to make a valid opinion.

Here's some quotes from people viewing that you tube clip:

"I have seen about 159 horses and ponies killed in this cruel sport. I am a reporter and can not say anymore." - BreyersRock

"I hate that this is still legal in Oregon. I refuse to attend any rodeos now, after seeing this once in 1999. I wanted to throw up..how is That legal ? I just cannot understand it. This is just Sick. Completely sick. I own a horse, and it would be a cold day in hell that I ever allowed to be treated that way. The people of St.Paul should be ashamed" - superiorjane
pdxblazer503 Posted 10 years ago. Edited by pdxblazer503 (member) 10 years ago
So I guess Rodeo is cruel to you. Since you are a horse owner, have
you ever thought about this? no horse was born letting people to ride
on them, if your horse is no longer a "wild horse" it means he was tamed by someone with or without you seeing him being tamed. I
am against animal cruelties as well, but I am not going that far to
say having pork in my dinner plate make me sick.

If you can equate spectator of rodeo show as sponsor of animal
cruelty, then the logical extension of it is to label all none vegetarian as sponsor of animal cruelties as well, why? if no one eat meat,
no animal would be killed.
metakephoto PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by metakephoto (admin) 10 years ago
i'm not a horse owner, those were quotes from the video you linked to on You Tube....The closest thing i've got to owning a horse would be my daughters Fisher Price bouncy horse in the backyard or her my little pony.
pdxblazer503 Posted 10 years ago. Edited by pdxblazer503 (member) 10 years ago
Ok, here is a real story. A woman joggler jogging in the wild bush
and being snatched by a hungry cougar, of course, a fed cougar
is a dead cougar, the cougar was quickly found by the rangers and
be killed. so the woman left two orphans kids behind and the cougar
left 2 cub orphans

Woman's friend helped to raise fund for her orphan kids left behind,
and some animal rights group helped raising funds for the cubs orphans.To me, these are all right things to do, but what blown me
away was that funds being raised for the cub was 10 times more
than the funds raised for the kids.
metakephoto PRO 10 years ago
that was random :)
LukeOlsen PRO 10 years ago
"Animals could be bred and slaughtered." - Dr. Strangelove

Seriously. datangpdx, I'm curious to what kind of shots you were thinking of. I'm guessing some sort of portraits but I could be wrong. I'm not totally in agreement with your analogy because by extension of your extension one should not be born so that one cannot die.
OregonVelo 10 years ago
Disclaimer: I haven’t looked at the video and I have mixed emotions about rodeos. There are plenty of social and political arguments in this case.

My 2 cents: As a photographer you can; go to the event and see what it is all about, not go in a silent protest, go and treat it like any other sporting activity, go and document the dark side of the event.

I am not sure that this is a strobist event. Well trained horses are skittish, wild horses even more so.

Datangpdx – If you feel this can be a strobist event, setup a thread for a mini-meetup and define your parameters.
greenwoodimages 10 years ago
If you go to rodeos, I suggest you take your hat off during the national anthem, or face an ass kicking.

Maybe I'll skip this one.
pdxblazer503 Posted 10 years ago. Edited by pdxblazer503 (member) 10 years ago
LOL , this forum become hilarious

@Luke, I am sort of disagree with your disagreement :-) coz the
logical extension ends at my extension. LOL

@greenwood, don't you know the title of my Rodeo album will be "lots
of hats, lots of boot"? I knew there are lot of cowboys in the crowd.
but surprisingly find a red neck from photographer group.
and where were you in the crowd, when this guy sang ? Did you
cheered him as well in the crowd?

GeoFX Posted 10 years ago. Edited by GeoFX (member) 10 years ago
That was funny with disagree with your disagreement!
OK I just watched the video and I would say that it looks pretty mean to the horses. Most horses that are used for riding are born around people. These horses are rounded up in the wild and used for entertainment.

Sort of made me sick to watch them...but that is me.

I grew up watching Rodeo's in Arizona...and have never seen anything like this.
pdxblazer503 Posted 10 years ago. Edited by pdxblazer503 (member) 10 years ago
@ Ryan, Excuse me for my ignorance, but to the best of my knowledge if the animal (not only the horse, but the bull) not irritated to certain degree, they wouldn’t jump, kick and run. Technically the entertainment itself is kind of animal cruelty. That’s part of the American culture, isn’t it? Rodeo show by definition is to tame the untamed animal, the cowboy will use all his strength to tame, and the animal will fight against him. I am sorry to open up this thread that I do not know will introduce such debatable issue.

But this is odd enough that Portland is such a pro environment, pro animal rights place. But 40 minutes outside of it, Rodeo show in St Paul leave Arizona in the dust, isn’t it too polarized?
Ryan Nowell Photography PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Ryan Nowell Photography (member) 10 years ago
Well a Rodeo is more then just bull riding and wild horse taming. I and my wife have rode on horses before and from what I can tell....they rather enjoy going for a "ride" and when they are upset they will let you know.

I guess the "sport" of trying to tame a wild horse that is trying to get away just seems way different then a horse that knows what is going on rather then having no idea what is going on and fights to the death to get away.

Besides, rodeos came from cattle herding in Spain....maybe the vaqueros got bored and needed something to do.
thinkable straw [deleted] 10 years ago
hmmm. pretty crazy..

I dunno, i'm kinda on the fence about this. I'm interested about the culture surround this, like the culture around the St. Johns Wrestling, kind of asking "WHY", why would you watch something like this? But I dunno about the event itself and I don't know if I want to spend money for it, it's not that i'm cheap, it's just that "do I really want to add another number to the amount of people who support something like this?"

My girlfriend has a wild stallion in one of her stables and he can get pretty irritated when people get near, it can get scary. She's trying to tame him down, but she's taking her time and making it gradual and doing positive things such as feeding it grain and just hanging around him so he can get used to her, and bringing in other horses to neighboring stalls, but to do something like this as a spectator sport, dragging and roping them in such a negative way in order to "tame them"....

Gee I dunno, it just seems like it's taking advantage of them..

I'm not an expert by any means on this, I don't know what goes into this or what becomes a result, all I know is that it involves a bunch of crazy men who think they can tame wild horses with their bare hands in a forceful way and in a manner which can easily and permanently hurt the horses.

I really don't' know what to think about the subject becuase I just don't know much about it. All I can say is that it's pretty crazy...
Aaron Audio 10 years ago
Would be so much more fun if it was taming the wild strobist!!!
pdxblazer503 Posted 10 years ago. Edited by pdxblazer503 (member) 10 years ago
I have absolutely no problem hearing different opinion, very genuine
opinion regarding Rodeo, actually I had no idea I opened up flood gate when I brought the topic up to the table. I supposed we are all
photographers, we all have some sort of artistic tendencies and
using it as a venue to express ourselves one way or the other.
IMHO the last thing I can think of connecting with artist is politics.
I have no intension to make this thread look like a smear political

Ok, here is my take, I think it is very inhumane in lot of so called
sports for example, boxing, Football, several 200 pounds guys
crash and pile up on one guy, how many times players get broken ribs?
how many times boxers paralyzed at early ages? I do not
see those horses got broken bone, or being killed in those video.

Back to that cub story, I have lot more sympathy toward orphan kids
left behind than the orphan cubs.
metakephoto PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by metakephoto (admin) 10 years ago
k, this really has nothing to do with strobist anymore...and datangpdx how were you planning on photographing this event with off camera flash anyhow? I would think flash would be the last thing that the horses and there handlers would want to see.
pdxblazer503 10 years ago
I would think the same, but last time I was there, believe it or not
Rodeo designated photographers has not only the flash, they used
some of those flashs used in the 60's, really powerful.

I plan to see if I can find a day time Rodeo event, therefore can eleminate the need for flash.
Rosborough Photography Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Rosborough Photography (member) 10 years ago
The difference between football, boxing, and "taming the wild horse" is free will. All the humans in football and boxing make the choice to participate in the event. I'm sure it's a pretty sure bet that these horses would rather not attend this event.

I grew up in a rodeo town and am not against them by any means but there again I've never seen or even heard of this event. Taming a wild horse over time to have them work on your ranch is one thing. Doing it for a short term event is another.
pdxblazer503 Posted 10 years ago. Edited by pdxblazer503 (member) 10 years ago
One can argue that the football player or the boxer made an informed
choice putting themselves in the harm way, it is easier that way for the
spectator to say, "look, they made a conscious choice, so it is not my
fault to watch it". but the drive behind watching football involving fierce
fight, and the drive behind watching rodeo involving "break the horse"
is exactly the same, it is derived from people's primitive will to
quench the thirst for a blood. the fact is if people choose not to watch
football game, there won't be football player risking their life entertain
the public in the first place

and it is convenient to put the burden on football player or boxer's shoulder and say they made informed choice. if the fight, the struggle
bothers people, people should not only choose not to watch it but
also pursue the ban of such sports. instead of saying, he agreed to
take such risk and fight, therefore it is ok for me to watch it.

My 2 cents
Rosborough Photography 10 years ago
Having played football for eight years and watching it for my entire life I have to disagree with your logic. It's a sport that is much more then violence. It's fun for the players and the fans. And I would venture to say that majority of people playing it and watching enjoy the "game" and not the violence. It's much more of a battle of strategy then it is anything else.

(Just so you know. For me this is a light hearted and very interested discussion and I do respect everyones opinions. It's not always so easy for the intent or intensity of the poster to come out in a forum.)
pdxblazer503 10 years ago
Happy 4th
metakephoto PRO 10 years ago
so where's the flash? maybe this would be more relevant in the [pdx]portland flickr group...
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