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What do I do with this stuff (other than giving it to you)?

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johnmaloof says:

I purchased a giant lot of negatives from a small auction house here in Chicago. It is the work of Vivian Maier, a French born photographer who recently past away in April of 2009 in Chicago, where she resided. I opened a blogspot blog with her work here; www.vivianmaier.com.

I have a ton of her work (about 30-40,000 negatives) which ranges in dates from the 1950's-1970's. I guess my question is, what do I do with this stuff? Check out the blog. Is this type of work worthy of exhibitions, a book? Or do bodies of work like this come up often?

Any direction would be great.
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camera_obscura [busy] says:

First, what a find, and thank you for putting so much effort into making this public.

I was wondering if, as an individual, you could join the Flickr Commons? This would be one useful way for folks (e.g. Chicagoans) to start identifying photos and elements in them, and also contributing tags/metadata for each photo. If an individual account is not possible, perhaps an institution would sponsor you? I think that the value of this collection would be immensely increased if it was also searchable. This seems to be exactly what the Commons was designed for.
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curdiogenes is a group administrator curdiogenes says:

Getting some traction on the interwebs --

www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=8...

www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2009/10/time-out/comment-pa...
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camera_obscura [busy] says:

@ everyone: Do you think I should open her blog site up for comments?

If you posted these to Flickr, you could collect comments here as well. And again, the comments could (possibly) help others to search the collection. For instance, if someone says "Oh I recognize that place, it's on the corner of X and Y," in Flickr, that information is then associated with the photo. So anyone searching the collection for "X street" will be pointed to your photo. I think Flickr will support this collection to be a historical archive that is useful for others, in ways that a blog will not. If the Library of Congress uses Flickr for that purpose, Flickr must be doing something right!
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Bryan.Formhals says:

Yeah, I would sit and wait now. If Kottke has picked it up, it'll snowball from there.

Perhaps try contacting the LENS. This seems to be something they might gravitate to, and if it hits the NY Times, well, then I say, you're almost certainly going have people knocking at your door.

lens.blogs.nytimes.com/
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johnmaloof says:

bryanF: I think I'll take your advice.
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Paul Russell99 says:

@ John Maloof

Is there a way you could put a bit more text describing how this all came about (like you've done in snippets over this thread) on the blog. Or am I missing it?

Journalists like to have stuff to cut and paste, ahem, I mean text to work with...
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johnmaloof says:

Paul Russel99: You're actually not the only one to suggest that. I just updated the site with a short bit about what I know. I hope I didn't leave anything important out.
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kimsinclair says:

Wow! This is amazing! Thank you so much for sharing.
I strongly feel that there should be a big retrospective show and a book. I would totally buy a book about her.
I studied Photography in University and always appreciate learning about historical woman photographers. Her work is really good and should be in textbooks.
I'm serious!
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Bryan.Formhals says:

Amy Stein has picked up the story as well.....

amysteinphoto.blogspot.com/2009/10/discover-vivian-maier....

She must read HCSP....or just neglects to credit her sources.
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ezwal says:

Great stuff. It's really making it's rounds on the internet now. I've seen it on a number of sites, and forwarded it on to a couple of others.

If you need help developing, I'd be willing to soup some rolls.

Keep pushing on it. I think some museum out there would be interested in it. It's strong work, and a different take on a time period that we no longer have access to. The story makes it that much more interesting.
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funkaoshi says:

She must read HCSP....

Or MetaFilter. Or Kottke.org. There are a few pretty big sites linking to the blog now.
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Bryan.Formhals says:

oh, I know. But she should still source at this point.....
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nicholaswongphotography says:

This is absoluley incredible work. I'm very thankful that you're putting in the effort to get this work seen by the masses. The images speak for themselves and are an inspiration all photographers.

I would like to wish you all the best in your endeavours and thank you once more for exposing the work to us.
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johnmaloof says:

Great thanks to HCSP for spreading the word on Vivian's work. I can't thank everyone enough.

Once I figure out the legalities (if in my favor), a book should be next.
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amyb68 says:

Such a great story John! As has been said before, thanks for sharing the story and Vivian's work. The blog is looking great and I'm excited to watch this and see what happens! Good luck! Keep us posted here as well.
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shoot1ask2 says:

John, do you have any sense of Maier's photographic training? From looking at her photos it seems she must've been aware or influenced by others. It's hard to imagine someone developing such a strong style in isolation. Did she have contacts in the photo world? Do you know what photographers she may have seen in galleries or if she showed her photos publicly at all? How connected was she, if at all?
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'pik-ch&r says:

@bryanF:
She states pretty clearly who she has received the link from.
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Bryan.Formhals says:

@'pik-ch&r: wasn't there when she initially posted it. must have added it later....

Blake Andrews just wrote a fantastic post that I hope spurs a good discussion.

blakeandrews.blogspot.com/2009/10/flame-of-recognition_19...
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'pik-ch&r says:

One of the things I find most interesting about this story is that it shows how picture taking and picture viewing can be two quite unrelated activities. Maier has probably developed only a fraction of the rolls she exposed during her lifetime and this hasn't kept her from shooting.
Today with digital cameras picture taking, viewing and reviewing has merged into a single activity often followed by picture sharing.

Vivian Maier obviously didn't feel the urge to share. My guess is that she wasn't on twitter.
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Bryan.Formhals says:

Here's what I just wrote Blake on his Blog.

@shoot1ask2/Blake: Why can't the street photography geeks on the web be the champions for Maier's work? Why do we need to rely on an institution or curator? in-Public IS a street photography institution. Certainly with the resources you guys have at your disposal you could make something happen. I mean, you've got Joel Meyerowitz in the group, probably the most legendary living street photographer.
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johnmaloof says:

@shoot1ask2: Sorry for the late response. I am not sure how connected, if at all, she was with the photo world. The earliest negatives are from the early 1950's. That would mean she was about 20-22 years old. These are the shots from New York, where she first settled.

She was a nanny. Not sure if she had any schooling or training or inspiration (be it from books, galleries, etc).

edit: I have small prints that may have been printed by her. Some aren't the best print job. But, if she was a live-in nanny, she'd have to have the space to set up a darkroom which is hard to believe. I tracked down a couple of the children she was a nanny for (long story, I will share later) and will be asking a lot of questions. I am meeting with them on Thursday.

I am expecting to find out more information soon. I will post the updates on Vivian's blog.
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thoughtfactory says:

I posted on this work at junk for code. The best suggestion I've seen in the thread is that made by camera_obscura---a public digital collection on Flickr Commons .
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mort* says:

I just stumbled on this via a Google search. Looks like another collector has some colour slides from her.

"The last six slides are from a street photographer named Vivian Maier. I don't know much about her. From the images, I can tell she mostly shot in New York and Chicago 1950s and 60s. I bought a ton of her stuff at a small auction.

Part of what I got are 1200 rolls of her undeveloped film. They sit in boxes next to my desk.

Everyday, I look at those boxes and wonder what kind of goodies are inside...."











Blog post about 1/3 way down this page

And more recently on the same blog

"I found another batch of photos from Vivian Maier. She was a New York City street photographer. Most of the images I have are from the late 1950s. There are a few hundred images like these... if anyone is interested in adding them their photo collection... please email me and I'll send you an obnoxious price quote. (yea, I really like em)"

www.bighappyfunhouse.com/archives/09/01/13/01-58-56.html

John Maloof - you know what you have to do ;-)
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martinnicholls says:

The plot thickens...
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johnmaloof says:

@mort: I know this guy. He was at the same auction. I bought the negatives and he got the rolls of film. I purchased the rolls and prints off of him after the auction. I knew someone would stumble upon those old posts and have some questions in a matter of time.

Thank you for the lead.
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mort* says:

Excellent! Looking forward to seeing more colour (and more b&w of course).
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Paul Russell99 says:

@ Johnmaloof

This guy?

www.facebook.com/ron.slattery
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Mark (Mark Choi Photography) says:

REally cool stuff..
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KJ3 "name already taken" says:

That guy's website has, or had some really great found pictures on it. He is a total enthusiast and comes across as a nice guy. I think he is a musician, so maybe that's why ;-)
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Chris28mm says:

John, thanks for sharing Vivian's work. It is a really wonderful find. Good luck with getting it all out there. It sounds like there is a very large body of work. Surprising though that so much of her stuff remained undeveloped. That seems unusual.
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johnmaloof says:

update:
vivianmaier.blogspot.com/2009/10/unfolding-vivian-maier-m...
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John Goldsmith says:

Central Camera (110 yr old camera shop in Chicago) has encountered Vivian from time to time when she would purchase film while out on the Chicago streets. From what they knew of her, they say she was a very "keep your distance from me" type of person....

Ha. I used to visit Central Camera, probably like most other Chicago photographers. I thought that "keep your distance from me" was their customer service motto!
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KJ3 "name already taken" says:

A book! Cool! God luck with that.
Jon
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cindyshermans [deleted] says:

this story just keeps getting better and better. i really hope that book works out - i wonder if John has organized an important curator to have a possible retrospective?

a lot can be said about her methodology: in essence she was the epitome of the true artist, as she kept plodding along in her own garden, taking photos for herself without the widespread recognition that often accompanies talent of this level. the most telling factor was that she kept taking photos even though she couldn't keep up with printing them.

there is perhaps a hidden message in this for all of us, especially those of us who spam our shoddy digital transmissions/photos all over the net in hope of fame and fortune. it makes that hcsp thread about shameless self-promotion look very pitiful indeed...
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Bryan.Formhals says:

you're presuming that because she wasn't discovered that she didn't want to be discovered? Based on what evidence? Maybe she wasn't very social. Or maybe she was lazy and could never put together a portfolio.
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Gary Hubbs | The Scale Gallery says:

Yeah, why bother to promote yourself or your work at all? Just wait and hope that after you die, someone you've never met will find your never-before-seen negatives in a box at an auction.

I mean, isn't that the best recognition you could ask for?

Posthumous recognition?
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cindyshermans [deleted] says:

bryanf: "or maybe she was lazy"

well if you shot film instead of the faster/easier method of digital capture and in turn exposed/processed as much film as she did, then i highly doubt that you would find justification in labelling her methodology as 'lazy'.

i don't know how old you are, but what right do you have to judge her lifestyle, especially considering she is from the past generation??

i found your choice of words were not careful or considerate, especially considering that all the facts are not known about how she spent her work/free time.

it would have been far better to err on the side of caution and assume that she was busy with work commitments (nanny) than throw around such a loose accusation. this was plain wrong on your part, end of story.
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Bryan.Formhals says:

@cindyshermans: I shoot film and scan, so I know at least part of the pain.

And how am I judging her lifestyle? I was merely speculating as you were about her motivations for not promoting her work.

I don't have side on the err of caution. This is a discussion forum, I'm not writing an article on her for Popular Photography.
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cindyshermans [deleted] says:

@byranF: fair enough, i didn't know that you shot film so in turn that was an wrong assumption on my part.

perhaps i was wrong to assume that she content to live the life of the unknown artist without the trappings of fame or success. but it does make for a nice story doesn't it? contributes to the myth. likewise i still think that it was careless on your part to use the word lazy to describe her methodology without knowing the full story.

hence, i still think that your choice of words has more negative connotations than how i initially summised her situation.

i read in another post that you are a curator of sorts, so you of all people should wait till the facts are known before comitting. yes this is a discussion forum, but words here stick, have accessibility through search engines and do have longevity - just like the written words in the foreword of a photo book. to think otherwise is another false assumption on your part>
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.. greg .. says:

cindy, you seem to be dishing out a lot of advice around here for someone who is relatively new to the place.

Perhaps you should spend some time interacting with the people here before jumping to conclusions?
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cindyshermans [deleted] says:

@greg: okay, point taken -i will remember that before i post comments next time.

it's just that bryan's comments got me going as the poor woman is not here to defend herself.
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Bryan.Formhals says:

@cindyshermans: Clearly, you are attaching way too much weight to my comment. I was merely making the point that we have no idea about her motivation for remaining anonymous, and I used the word lazy purely as an example. I was in no way criticizing the woman or her methodology. I was criticizing your assumption that she remained anonymous out of some sort of high minded idealism.

And apparently you haven't been following the story here because I've been rather vocal in my support of her work.

I've made a promise to refrain from voicing my annoyance with anonymous posting on this forum, but as most people here can attest, I don't have much respect for it.
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Birinham [deleted] says:

Vivian Maier on spanish blog:

www.caborian.com/20091023/fotografos-anonimos-vivian-maier/
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film noir anti-hero says:

Could this be a hoax?
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.. greg .. says:

The idea being that somebody has been running around taking a lot of photos of people dressed up as if they were living in the 40's with a TLR in order to publish them on the web and giving all the credit to someone who has recently died?

genius.
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Jules... says:

hang on a second...

"Vivian Maier" shot in Chicago.

"..greg.." is based in Chicago.



How deep does the rabbit-hole go?
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John Goldsmith says:

.... she was also French. And, Jules is French.

So, yes...how deep does the rabbit hole go?
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Jules... says:

But:

Her initials are V M.

If you mirror V you get VV. If you turn M upside down you get W.

Waxy starts with a W. You're involved too, somehow. Simple mathematics.
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cindyshermans [deleted] says:

this thread has taken an interesting/funny twist.

@filmnoirantihero: "could this be a hoax"

well, that certainly hadn't crossed my mind before, but i must say that does look suspiciously like you/your avatar in the second photo of that spanish blog, the one where your walking with the old lady who is in the foreground. i hope that she's paying you enough.

nice to see that you managed to hook up during this carefully orchestrated hoax. question remains, who was the shooter? i guess you must of had a shutter release under your jacket, clever guy you.

could make for another oly stone movie - "Vivian Maier, the old lady and her toy boy outside the bagel store"
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Gary Hubbs | The Scale Gallery says:

Or perhaps Ms. Maier is trolling this thread right now?
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Ian_Boys says:

Let us know when the book is out.
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(deaf mute) says:

I can see a lawyer writing to Mr Maloof at some point. "I am representing Vivian Maier's step-daughter and she would like these negatives back."

Whoever auctioned the lot probably doesn't realise it's a potential gold mine, but if this project results in a book/exhibition etc, the inheritor of the copyright (and there almost certainly is one) will probably want a hefty payoff.
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John Goldsmith says:

@Jules - I've also lived in Chicago and my wife speaks French. It's that simple. We are Vivian.
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Bryan.Formhals says:

@Arty: Gold mine? Really? From what I heard photographers don't make jack shit from book sales. Maybe some prints will sell nicely eventually, but even then, we're not talking about huge numbers relative to the rest of the art market.

If anything, it's a historical/documentary gold mine for the city of Chicago.

And speaking of hoaxes, whose the only troll in this thread with no avatar and is using the name of a famous photographer whose work is known for borrowing the identities of others?
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johnmaloof says:

@Arty: I hammered out the copyright law for this work and tracked down the executor of her estate...very nice people who also love Vivian. They're working with me on this. We're donating a portion of the book profits to a charity in honor of Vivian. I'm still shopping for a book publisher, by the way. I have a couple that want to do it but I'm not 100% sure it's the right fit (small local publishers).

Not trying to make a killing here. But I feel it is important to do what's right with her work. If it's worth something to a museum or collector, that's fine. I will find it hard to give the work up to anyone, though.
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(deaf mute) says:

johnmaloof wrote "I tracked down the executor of her estate."
I'm glad you did so. It didn't seem clear from the blog, and I'd hate you to do loads of work and then get hit by a lawsuit. "Goldmine" was probably the wrong word, but a badass lawyer might use that implication to put pressure on you. If you've got all the permissions and rights sorted, then any sort of time-limited licensing (e.g. exclusive use to a small local publisher for a maximum of 12 months) could only help to publicise the collection. I think I'd concentrate on the blog until a larger concern shows an interest, however.
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framefreezer says:

Stunning work.
Thanks for dedicating your time and making available online!
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_barb_ says:

Please keep adding to the blog John, it would be nice to see more of her work.
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gibsonstreet says:

Saw the article in The Independent magazine today. Very interesting.
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barbara@NL says:

@gibsonstreet: would that be this article? (HCSP is mentioned....)
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Bryan.Formhals says:

Congrats John. And good work HCSP for helping spread the word :)

"The newspaper directed Maloof to an address in a Chicago suburb, but he was able to turn up nothing. Meanwhile, Maloof joined Hardcore Street Photography, a group on Flickr, the photo-sharing website, wondering if his enthusiasm for Maier's work would be shared by others. "That week it exploded, and my inbox really filled up," says Maloof. "I've been asked to display these photos in Australia, Canada, UK, France and Mexico City."
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curdiogenes is a group administrator curdiogenes says:

Ha. Imagine that.
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martinnicholls says:

Nice piece. I tried to get our picture desk interested in her photos, but my email got lost in the midweek news chaos. Glad someone's picked it up, though I'm thinking I should really have written something myself. Curses...
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benroberts says:

"I've been asked to display these photos in Australia, Canada, UK, France and Mexico City."

why didn't that happen with my HCSP gallery?

;-)
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John Goldsmith says:

That's really cool. I'm very happy for the Maloof-Maier team. :)

Hmmm. And, there's no mention (at all) of Joerg Colberg on The Independent site. Only HCSP. Funny that. ;)
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BennehBoy says:

:D
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Paul Russell99 says:

VM is the third most viewed story on the Independent site according to:

www.independent.co.uk/

But only two comments? Strange.

Edit: now fourth most viewed.

Edit: back to third.

End of edits.
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(deaf mute) says:

Paul Russell99 I'm more interested in "Sex addict: Confessions of a toxic bachelor". That's at number two. :)
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Kitty Sheehan says:

I'm new to this story, but no less intrigued.
Quite a group gathered here!
I just did a little blog post about this story.
Also sent you an email John, with a suggestion for a person who might be interested in this story, and I'll follow up on that too.

Kitty Sheehan

returntobohemia.blogspot.com/
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johnmaloof says:

Update: I recently obtained what I believe is the remainder of Vivian's work. I now have about 100,000 black and white negatives and about 20-30,000 color slides (35mm) ranging from 1952 to the mid-1990s. I also have about another 2,000 rolls of film that are undeveloped. Most are color positive film which, I believe, goes bad quickly, as opposed to black and white film which I have been developing successfully from the 1960s.

It seems she shot with a Rolleiflex in the earlier years then used both a Rolleiflex and Leica simultaneously at some point. Then, around the 1980s she mainly used a leica IIIc with color positive slide film.

With such a gigantic body of work, I may look for grants or institutional backing to help with aid in developing rolls and scanning into digital/archiving. If anyone has advice please send it my way.
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(deaf mute) says:

100,000? Wow. Sounds like you'll need a team of people to help. Definitely sounds like you need some institutional backing or help.n Good luck!
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model337 says:

Have you contacted the George Eastman House? Their mission statement claims that they:

* Collect and preserve objects that are of significance to photography, motion pictures, and the life of George Eastman.
* Build information resources to provide the means for both scholarly research and recreational inquiry.
* Keep and care for images, literature, and technology to tell the story of photography and the motion picture in history and in culture.
* Care for George Eastman’s house, gardens, and archives, maintaining them for public enjoyment and as a memorial to his contribution to our lives and our times.

Sounds like just what you're looking for.
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(deaf mute) says:

Did Vivian shoot on Kodak film?
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johnmaloof says:

Model337: Have not contacted them. Thanks for the lead.

Arty: Yes, Vivian shot on Kodak X-Pan for B&W and Ektachrome for color positive.
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Lei At Large says:

What an amazing body of work. Thank you so much for keeping this going. It's 4am here in Beijing and I'm entranced by her shots.

Have you thought about contacting some of the photo blogs individually (PDN, NYT Lens, etc) to get some more exposure. I think this story is pretty worthwhile given the high quality of her work.

Best of luck!
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Zioluc says:

Amazing story, I deeply love this woman and her work :)
Hope to see an exhibition quite soon.

edit: and the book!
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Eli Reinholdtsen says:

Keep up the good work, looking forward to buying one or more books.
- Ellie
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Joel... says:

WOW, great find, thanks for posting them!
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bori$ says:

amazing! thank you
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VoodooDahl says:

Just came across her photos, they are amazing, thank you for all your work.
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simon.carr says:

John; amazing. Thank you for sharing. Can I suggest that you share the idea for the book at www.kickstarter.com/

'Cause personally I really want a copy of this pending book ;)

Thanks again.
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Haskette says:

Hey John,

I was wondering have you designed the book yet, and if not do you have a designer for the book? This photos are amazing, it would be an incredible project to design a book to do them justice.

Thanks

Dan
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johnmaloof says:

PowerHouse Books is the publisher. They have designers, writers, etc.

They estimated the book release in the first half of 2011.

Also, a feature-length documentary on the story is in production. I will keep the blog posted on more details as they come.
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KJ3 "name already taken" says:

Good news ;-)
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Account inactive go to: www.jamesdodd.net [deleted] says:

@john. great news :) look forward to seeing both of them.
Did you get my email the other day?
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thechrisproject says:

Oh nice, pH will put together a nice book.
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David Solomons says:

That's really great to hear.
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local man says:

ha i just happened on this thread now.. jesus have i been out of the loop.. quite an enjoyable thread to follow. that god damned rabbit hole bit was funny as hell.

nice work johmaloof.. great story here.
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Roger_Krueger says:

Most are color positive film which, I believe, goes bad quickly, as opposed to black and white film which I have been developing successfully from the 1960s.

Depends on which color positive process it is, and whether you need to keep the color.

Yeah, E-4/6 will probably be ugly in the intended chemistry, but it's likely O.K. developed as B&W. It's just the dyes and/or color couplers that go to hell. The underlying silver should be about as resilient as similar-speed B&W.

Developing as B&W is NOT the same as developing as color then converting to B&W--you irretrievably lose data in the normal silver-to-dye conversion if the dye or couplers are junk.

You can theoretically do something akin to bleach bypass to get a final image with silver and color, but it's not commercially done on E-6 because it's not as simple as mere omission of a step the way it is in negative processes. See www.apug.org/forums/forum40/67628-e6-bleach-bypass.html (The hard info is in the posts near the bottom by Photo Engineer, a retired EK chemist.)

But Kodachrome should still be pretty decent—the vulnerable dyes and couplers are in the processing, not the film. HURRY, Kodachrome is over, the last processing line shuts down in December. Finding a way to hand process as color after that seems unlikely (K-14 is a completely Rube Goldberg process, and identifying/sourcing some of the chems is also problematic). After that your only option will be to process as B&W.
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johnmaloof says:

Roger: Thanks for the advice.

The color film is Ektachrome (from the 1960's and 70's). I've attempted to have some developed professionally with poor results. Any advice on that?
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Roger Krueger says:

Well, Ektachrome before about 1975 uses the E-4 process, and 60's Ektachrome might even be E-2. My guess is most labs would just think Ektachrome = E-6 (because that's how it's been for 35 years) and run it through the wrong process.

I think the only E-2/E-4 available these days is from a few specialist labs like filmrescue or Rocky Mountain. (Even there I doubt they're really running the original E-4 with its very toxic reversal agent.) They charge around $20/roll. But even using the correct process isn't a magic fix for trashed dyes/couplers in the film.

Maybe try a couple to see what happens, but unless you've got the personal means or grant access to do this for the whole stash you're probably better off just hand-developing in B&W chemistry.

And, uh, do some background research... I seem to remember somebody in the obsolete-processes business had a year or so where they cashed customer checks without running any film. But I'm not risking a libel suit taking wild guesses at who it was.

The gotta-be-dead-on nature of color reversal is just a bad match for the vagaries of decades-old film. As sad as it is to lose the color information by processing as B&W, it's less sad than the blown highlights and/or blocked shadows you're going to get trying to guesstimate adjustments to a fudged color reversal process with no over/under tolerance.
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John Armstrong aka John Legweak says:

Just noted on facebook that none other than art's crazy woman about town Paddy Johnson aka ArtFagCity tweeted, without irony, John Maloof's discovery of the work of "amazing unknown photographer" Vivian Maier at an estate sale (via @sabineheinlein)..

Can't link it, but you can find it on her fb page (today, Jun 7 10):

www.facebook.com/#!/paddyj

I actually see this as signficant. It shows that John Maloof is succeeding in getting recognition for Maier.

Edit: I put my X on the post to make it easier for you all to find.
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carla d says:

What I love about this story is the private and personal dedication of an artist who wanted to photograph simply for the sake of it - not for recognition or reward or to be told how wonderful she was. While it's she didn't live quite long enough to learn how admired her photographs now are I'm guessing this wasn't at all important to her. Props to you John for making Vivain's photos public. They're absolute gems
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Alex Es says:

John, this an amazing find. I am blown away by V.M.'s works. I believe you have a gold mine. Use your gold wisely and kindly.

The sad part of this story is that V.M. was homeless toward the end of her life and would have remained that were it not for the people she had nannied. It is also sad that she lost her work because she could no longer pay for her locker.

It is amazing that her work survived.

V.M. was a great street artist as good as the best. What inspired her? Why did she never go public? We will probably never know.
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Patrice Lehky says:

fascinating. thanks for sharing this story.
i love the photographs
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johnmaloof says:

Alex: I have been piecing together her life from what little information she left behind (receipts, notes, etc.). It's amateur detective work. I've met many people she worked for and learned a lot about Vivian. The more I learn, though, the more fascinated I am. She led an incredible life.

We are currently working on a documentary film. I feel that this is the best way to show who Vivian was from different accounts. Currently, the film is in production. I'm anxious to share everything I've learned to the public. I'll definitely keep the blog updated when I have more info. At the very least, her story is riveting.

Thanks for keeping this post alive...
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ErcanY. says:

Did you hear about the book called Nannies. One of its chapter is called "Vivian Maier". Here is the amazon.com link:

www.amazon.com/Nannies-Emmanuelle-Matthews-Josephine-Kass...
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johnmaloof says:

Weird...

The publisher, "Books LLC", didn't even list its author.

Thanks for the tip ErcanY
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Marja_ and agent 6600 is a group moderator Marja_ and agent 6600 says:

Publisher: Books LLC
ISBN: 9781156783764

searching by the isbn you might find something..
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Bryan.Formhals says:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon.com#Sale_of_Wikipedia.27s_ma...

German company scraps Wikipedia and publishes books.
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