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Anyone get an "ERR" or "F--" error on their D90?

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zinkotheclown says:

I let my brother-in-law look at my D90 yesterday and he turned the setting to auto and I heard the shutter click (not sure if he hit the shutter release as he turned the knob) and then the shutter seemed to get stuck for quite a bit of time while there was an "ERR" indicator on the top LCD. I got out of it by getting into playback mode and out and then it worked OK. A hour later, a "F--" came up and I couldn't change the aperture at all. I had to shut the camera off/on and that seemed to fix it. I read this may had to do with the lens/camera contacts, so I reseated the lens (which is a Sigma 18-200) and it has been fine since then. I got the camera in Sept. and I hope it's not a lemon already!
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Blacksunlight [deleted] says:

Most likely a lens contact issue, did any error message come up on screen like "Lens not attached"?
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DodderyIceDry says:

F-- means no lens attached
ERR means Camera malfunction. Press shutter release button again. If error persists, consult with a Nikon authorized service agent.

It is in the manual
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zinkotheclown says:

The F-- error came up a hour later. It seems to be fine now. I've used the lens on my D40 for quite some time and I never got those errors.
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ngr07 says:

I get it occasionally with one lens. Turn the camera off, give the lens a turn as if you were removing it, tighten it again, and the error message disappears.
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freewheel510 says:

I had this happen a couple times too, and as ngr07 said, cycling power and wiggling the lens fixed it.
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SoCalBob says:

The problem is much less likely with the camera than with the lens. Nikon's 18-135 kit lens is notorious for having this problem because of its plastic mount, and similar problems are already being reported with the new 18-105 VR kit lens that's shipping with the D90 (also a heavy lens with a plastic mount).

I'd guess that your Sigma 18-200 may be subject to the same problems.
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skumnjepf [deleted] says:

At Nikon Service Point they told me that the prob with D80 kit lens was solved. I didn't ask them how.
Does anybody know?
After that I had this prob 2-3 times with D90 & its kit lens. Now it would be interesting for me to fix it reliably.
Btw.: I didn't expect Nikon to go on with this well known problem with the newly developed hardware....
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ward.j says:

There's going to be glitches in every system, no matter how improved or better it may be.
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skumnjepf [deleted] says:

but to make the same mistake twice.....
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Jin Y says:

it seems this happens to quite a few people..

mods/admins: maybe we should sticky a forum mini-faq?

F-- error
Why D90 not Dxxxx

:)
109 months ago (permalink)

skumnjepf [deleted] says:

better question: why can't nikon produce heavier plastic lenses that work reliably...
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bauplenut says:

I have had ERR twice since getting the D90. Not sure how I fixed it each time, but turned it off and on a few times, one occassion took lens off and remounted. Been okay for past few weeks.
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Fried Toast is a group moderator Fried Toast says:

Very first reply hit the nail on the head, IMO. The only thing that needs to be added to that reply is, "Clean the lens contacts."

If *that* doesn't work, then contact Nikon.
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Scott's Run Pictures says:

Non-G lenses will have an aperture ring on the base of the lens where it's attached to the camera. Set this this ring to the smallest aperture (largest number), usually 22, if not 32 or 16. This number will be orange on autofocus lenses. There usually is a lock to keep this ring set there, since if it comes off that setting you'll get an error message from most cameras.

I got this from www.kenrockwell.com
Hope this helps
Cheers
Scott
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mo'funk is a group moderator mo'funk says:

@Scott I think they are talking about the kit lens 18-105mm. Something about cleaning the contact. Some have been experiencing error with it. "FEE" error is what you are talking about when you use D-type lens.
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Galib A. says:

Funniest thing happened today... while using the kit lens my aperture value was showing like f48 then i tried changing it, and it went up up to f90 at 18mm. Which is impossible to achieve with that lens... so i basically took the lens off and connected it again and that seemed to fix the problem.
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SoCalBob says:

You're correct when you say that "cleaning the contacts" will nearly always correct error message indicating no contact between the camera and lens. However, dirty contacts are not the problem. In order to clean the contacts on the lens, though, you need to remove the lens from the body and then remount it. This act of remounting and re-seating the lens in the camera's mount is actually what usually restores proper electrical contact.

The problem -- and the error messages that users are getting -- has absolutely nothing to do with dirty contacts. If it did, why does it hardly ever occur with lenses that have metal mounts? Do lenses with plastic mounts get dirtier than those with metal mounts? I don't think so. And when you get this error message, try removing the lens and remounting it without cleaning the contacts. It will probably start working again just as if you had cleaned the contacts.

It's a fundamental design/engineering issue where Nikon has -- with its recent kit lenses -- opted to compromise quality in a very important respect at the expense of reliability. Until Nikon starts using plastic mounts that have the same tensile strength and other characteristics of steel (if such a thing exists), plastic mounts simply don't work well on heavy, bulky lenses. It's design cost-cutting (a corporate decision) that seriously compromises the reliability of their recent kit lenses.

The 18-135 kit lens, which has been out for awhile, is notorious for exhibiting this same problem, and now many cases are beginning to surface with the new 18-105 VR. Both of these lenses are optically very good and take excellent pictures, but the fact remains that a plastic mount just isn't a good way to attach relatively large and heavy lenses like these to a camera.

That's why I am less than enthusiastic about the 18-135 and 18-105 VR kit lenses and don't recommend buying them.
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SoCalBob says:

Funny, but not really, and that's exactly what I'm talking about in my previous post above.
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Seattleye says:

Happens almost everyday to me. I just jiggle the lens a little and it's good to go. It's a cheap lens so I can't expect the world from it, but it is an inconvenience, even though it only takes a second to correct.
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bauplenut says:

Reply from Nikon Asia Support on this error:

1st reply -

"This is very unusual. It could be caused by a combination issue, sometimes if a lens is not quite mounting correctly with every contact an ERR can occur."

2nd reply (after I provided serial numbers)

"I checked with our Service people who look after our repairs and they indicated that they have not had any come in with this issue.
As the numbers are so low, only 200,000 to 300,000 on the market so far there is not enough out there to get a pattern.

Usually it is a combination that I mentioned with various lenses, so it may be this.

I will ask you to contact a service center,

If it is just the issue I feel it may be then they will need both to look at the contacts."

I did mention that this error was beign talked about in several online forums therefore may be common, but, they still say they are unaware of any error and imply it is a unique to me problem.

Mind you, when I had this problem after several weeks of use, the lens had never been off the camera since being received.
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skumnjepf [deleted] says:

Technically I totally agree with the dude (that's meant as a compliment) Bob from Southern California.

What remains with me is great anger to see that Nikon makes the same mistake twice.

And I wonder what the guy from our service point meant, when he said to me (about the 18-135): "We have fixed that problem!" (German: "Das haben wir im Griff!").

Thx Bob for taking your time to explain the prob in such full detail!
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SoCalBob says:

and And don't hold your breath waiting for Nikon to admit that this problem really exists and is caused by a design flaw any more than they were willing to admit that the matrix metering algorithm used in the D80 is screwed up.
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zinkotheclown says:

This being my third Nikon (a D40 and a Coolpix being the priors), I am disappointed that my first big ticket Nikon item is more prone to errors than the inexpensive other two.
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DFW_Nikonite says:

This same problem has started to manifest with my Sigma 17-70mm HSM, which has a metal mount. Remounting the lens clears the problem, but what bothers me is that it seems to be happening with more frequency.
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ward.j says:

I agree that nikon won't own up to this issue.

first of all, that would mean they made a rather big mistake & no company wants to admit they screwed up. They think they'd lose creditability.
The truth is, they wouldn't. Their fan base would grow, due to being able to trust them & putting the customer first.

Secondly, it takes more money to make a metal mount. They made the plastic to cut down on money. Nikon obviously doesn't want to spend the extra money. Admitting the issue would require them to make the mounts better & maybe even do a recall.

Unless thousands upon thousands of people complain about this issue constantly, nothing is going to be fixed.

The only options are to put up with it, or spend the cash & buy a metal mount lens.
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SoCalBob says:

You mentioned the possibility of a product recall, and I'd say that's the primary reason Nikon will never confess to sacrificing sound engineering and construction in the interests of cutting production costs. Imagine the chaos that would ensue at Nikon service centers if they issued a recall of the 18-135 and 18-105 VR lenses and they were suddenly bombarded with tens of thousands of lenses!

I hadn't heard of the problem occurring with that Sigma lens before. However, the owners of the new Tamron 17-50 and 28-75 f/2.8 lenses with the built-in AF motors are also reporting this problem quite frequently. There doesn't seem to be any similar issue with the earlier Tamron lenses without the AF motor where the lens focus is screw-driven by the AF motor in the camera. I have one of the older Tamron 17-50 lenses and it performs flawlessly, although AF is a bit slow.
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Christian Lee (christianlee.ca) says:

I have the Tamron 28-75 with motor (A09II) and I've been getting this problem, only I don't actually see the 'ERR' message. The D90 just becomes completely unresponsive until I either powercycle the camera or remove the battery.
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in2food says:

I get it with my 18-105mm. Just jiggle and it goes away.....
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SoCalBob says:

Yes, but the fact remains that with a $1200 camera and lens combination you shouldn't have to "jiggle" it to make it work.

LOUSY ENGINEERING, CRAPPY LENS.

I certainly wouldn't spend that kind of money for a lens that takes good pictures when it's working, but sometimes it quits working and I have to jiggle it to make it work.
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Richard Stowey says:

i've had this a few times.

i just unlocked the lens, twisted it away and then back in and it solved it.
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in2food says:

I guess it's a matter of lesser of 2 evils. It was either this or the dreaded E99 on the Canon 50D which was my other camera of choice. It is a pitty, though, that this kind of $ doesn't get you bug-free products...
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stcroix1 says:

Yes I get the F-- error often; took a while to figure out what was going on! I have the Tamron 18~270 lens mounted. Contacted Tamron, they suggested that I send the lens back. I only had it a week! I am new to Nikon, Tamron and DSLR photography, so I read, read and read some more. Ended up taking the camera back to Ritz affiliate in Denver, the tech just dismounted, and remounted the lens... Dahhh! Well, that worked for about a week, now I find the error occurring most often when the lens is nearly or fully extended. It is obviously a contact issue between the lens and the camera, just a slight giggle and it is working again. When I get the next opportunity I simply loosen the lens as if dismounting it, then remount it, the contacts seem to reset and off I go. Seems like it shouldn't be happening, but then in the grand scheme of things I was doing much better with the market hovering around $14,000 than I am at $8,000 so I just giggle and shoot!
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SoCalBob says:

Well, apparently, judging from the posts above, the new Tamron lenses with the built-in AF motors aren't immune to the problem either, and it also seems to afflict some lenses with metal mounts.

It should also be noted that Tamron is currently experiencing major quality control issues with its new lenses with the built-in AF motors, and the ones with image stabilization, that have mostly to do with front and back-focusing errors. I have one of the last copies of a Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 without the AF motor, and I've had no problems with it at all. However, I also recently returned a Tamron 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR DI VC lens to Buydig for a refund because it simply wouldn't focus properly, AF was very slow, and the image stabilization left a lot to be desired compared to Nikon's VR.

My hunch is that Tamron debuted its new lenses before the engineering department completed a thorough job and tested them, and then their QC took a nose dive in the process of trying to crank out new product and stay on top of the game competitively. IMO the lenses simply aren't yet ready for prime time.

As far as the D90 is concerned, it has essentially the same metal contacts in the lens mount as any other recent Nikon DSLR, and they work perfectly well. So any of the error messages that people are getting with various lenses are entirely a lens problem. They are not the fault of the camera in any way.
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DFW_Nikonite says:

Agree w/ SoCal ... My Tokina 11-16mm never gives me any problems.
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Brittons Photography says:

I had this same issue with my Tamron 17-50 thats why i returned it...the lens wasn't making a good contact..
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SoCalBob says:

I don't blame you for returning the lens. However, Tamron is well aware of the QC problems with their new lenses, and their customer service is excellent. The 17-50 is a fantastic lens if you get a good copy. Thankfully, Tamron is more than happy to adjust or exchange any of their new lenses that aren't up to par at no cost if you return them.

If I were a teacher grading Tamron, I'd give them a "D" for their quality control with their new line of lenses with the built-in AF motors (as well as the ones with their new "Vibration Control" feature). As I've said before, I think they rushed into production in order to try and remain competitive, and the lenses simply weren't ready for prime time. However, they do get an "A" in my book for being responsive to customer problems and fixing them promptly with free repairs or replacements.
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orit zuckerman says:

This happened to me with my D80 after a friend changed a lens without shutting of my camera. I called Nikon service and they basically said -" This error happens when you change lenses without shutting off the camera. You can send in the camera and we will fix it, or if you don't want to send it in, than just shutoff the camera disconnect the lens and connect it again and it should be fine."
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realTHK says:

Tamron might have a good service in USA, but none at all in most other countries...
so only your dealer can replace it within the warranty period (which is also just a year, not 5-6 as in the states)
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woody bullman says:

It seems from what I have read that the ERR message is showing up for lots of people regardless of what lens or memory card they are using. The ERR message always shows up for me straight after the first shutter release (and the shutter locks up). I press the shutter release again and the message goes away. The camera will usually then work OK until I switch it off and leave it for a period of time (1hr to 2 days for example). Next power up... ERR message once again. I have had the same problem with several lenses and cards and have had other mysterious malfunctions aswell.

This leads me to believe that the problem is within the camera itself. I am sending mine in for repair/replacement and expect my new/repaired NIKON to work perfectly 100% of the time. I am not going to "jiggle" anything or remove and replace lenses. I payed good money and expect a normally functioning camera. I'm not going to risk missing shots.

The D90 is great, it seems though that a number of the cameras have problems. These problems seem widespread and it would be nice if NIKON would recognise this. Unfortunately, I doubt they will.
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NEWSCASTER121 says:

You would think that the service centres or the manufacturers would have a team of researchers scanning the internet to get some feedback on their cameras. Surely, they would have come across several forums that illustrate the err messages that crop up. As many of you have suggested this is a massive cover up, just like the Vauxhall cars that stop for no reason when your driving! (BBC WATCHDOG PROGRAMME) These are strange days my friends.
Any way back to cleaning my contacts.
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PandyD90 says:

I've been getting the problem with my Nikor 18-200. Ever Since Xmas whenever I use my camera I will come across the problem at least once :(
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ward.j says:

After reading all these posts, it does seem to be a problem within the camera.

Which is even worse. you spend all that money on a camera, when it's just a bad "copy."

How do these failed copies even get out to the public? Doesn't nikon inspect their products?!
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Dominick Paoli says:

cleaned my lens contacts with white wine vinegar....never had the problem since...
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Orbmiser says:

orit zuckerman

"This error happens when you change lenses without shutting off the camera."

Weird as I have always changed lenses hundreds of times without turning the camera off. And never had problems with doing this on my D40,D80 and D90.

But I also been told to unmount usb cards and keys first before disconnecting also. And never bother to do that. And have done that with over a dozen usb keys and over a dozen SD cards hundreds of times over years and never had a corrupt card or key result.

Guess I am Lucky?
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The Dude 05 says:

I got the same thing when I received my D90. I called nikon and they had me lightly rub luke warm water on the contacts, after removing the battery. They said sometimes some factory grease gets on them and there is not a complete connection. That was 6 months ago and it still seems to work.
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freewheel510 says:

I get this happening with my metal mount 16-85. Doesn't anyone else see it with a metal mount Nikon lens?
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stvjackson says:

I've yet to have an ERR or FEE message on my D90, including my metal-mount 12-24mm f/4 and 50mm f/1.8.
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Scotte Photography says:

yeah i have never had an error message. unless my d series lenses are not in Ap lock. but thats not a malunction. I did have an sd card go bad finally.
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ginger.twist says:

I got the dreaded ERR message yesturday and have had it a couple of times before. It is very annoying as I have to pop the battery out in order for it to go away.
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Kent C. says:

Hi all,

I posted this over on the D90 group as well, as I am keen to see just where this F- - error thing goes over time. Here is the post that I made in the other group's discussion forum on this same topic:

Ahhhh, I see that this F- - thing is a somewhat larger issue than I suspected. I have had my D90 since the middle of November and everything worked fine until a couple of days ago. Then, suddenly my AF Nikkor 24-85mm 1:2.8-4D wouldn't focus. Looked at the control panel and saw the dreaded blinky F- -. This is a metal mount lens. I bought it brand new ($600.00 USD) at a highly respected local camera shop and unboxed it myself. So here I am with a new D90 and a newer Nikkor lens, and I am getting this problem. I cannot really believe that this has anything to do with dirty contacts or humidity. Both the camera and the lens are just too new for any external crud to build up. And as to the humidity, this is winter. There is NO humidity.

*sigh*

I called the shop where I bought the camera and they assured me that while this was a known issue with some of the earlier models (D70, D80), that it was not an issue with the D90 as far as they knew. They then told me not to worry as there was a Nikon Authorized Repair Center right here in town and that I still had 10 months on my warranty.

Well that's not very comforting. I spent close to $1000.00 USD for the body only on this machine, and it galls me a bit that I might have to turn it over to a repair facility for who-knows-how-long before I even had a chance to get the camera dirty.

Sheesh.

Oh well, I guess it could be worse. This could have happened two days after the warranty had expired!

KC

EDIT:

I just wanted to pop back in to mention that I am taking the camera to a Nikon authorized service center day after tomorrow and I will know by the end of the day if it is a simple problem to fix, or if the camera has to go back to Nikon (in California).

I'll keep you all posted.

KC
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Webbelina [deleted] says:

I have been reading this topic with great interest! I bought my D90 with the kit lens 18-105mm and I have been experiencing all the problems mentioning.. crazy f values, error messages, not beeing able to shut the camera off unelss I made a "hard reset" i.e taking the battery out of the camera! I am taking the camera back to the shop where I bought it and they will send it for "evalutaion" , test to Nikon. I do not accept to "jiggle" the lens everytime this happens. I really hope Nikon has a good explanation and has a good satisfying solution to this.
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Michael Martinho is bored [deleted] says:

I just got my d90 not that long ago. Had issues with the first one and they swapped it out. i am using a 50mm 1.8 on it right now. Today i was assisting a photo shoot for a friend and i turned my camera on to just mess around and i see a FEE error, so i took the battery grip off put it back on same with the lens. Still had the issue then 10 minutes later turned it on and it was fine. Kinda curious about it. Should i Worry?
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mo'funk is a group moderator mo'funk says:

If you see FEE means the lens is not locked at f/22. You have to physically turn the Aperture ring to f/22 and then move the red thing to lock it.
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Michael Martinho is bored [deleted] says:

I just had this happen a moment ago and i was like WTF. Glad you posted that much appreciated. That was the problem. I am a newb
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PhotoConnect_C says:

Hi... I use Tamron 18-250mm with D90 and D80 (previous camera)... the F-- occurs, I think more often when it is the 3D, tracking mode while tracking, and zooming vigorously at the same time...

also, happen when turning the focus ring in AUTOFOCUS mode...

again...turning off or rotating the lens restore in...

It is not that often... however, I dont encountered this with 24-70mm nikon, (at least not at the moment..haha)...
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Christian Lee (christianlee.ca) says:

I was getting it once in a while and i just cleaned the lens contacts on the body with my finger and I haven't seen it in weeks.

....for what it's worth.

I was getting it with these lenses:

Sigma 10-20 (metal mount)
Tamron 28-75 (metal mount)
Nikkor 55-200VR
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DFW_Nikonite says:

This problem got worse after my trip to Puerto Rico. But after cleaning the contacts(both lens and camera) w/ methanol I have not seen it since. Maybe the salty humid air caused a buildup of gunk ... I was changing lenses alot.
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Gimp-E says:

FWIW: two month old D90 with new 18-200 nikkor lens. Several thousand shots, and the shutter shuts without actuating the release. Err message blinking. Power on/off, remove/refit lens, no response from release button. At some point, the release button cycled the shutter. This happened again several time over the next few hundred pics. Could not recreate the problem nor the solution. Also noticed the AF slowed to a crawl, and was not consistent. Nikon Tech tells me: " it needs to come in. Any time that Err message comes up, it needs to be sent in..." Time will tell how their service is, but if that Err message comes up and your still under warranty, get it looked at. You may find a work around, but there's a problem that they should fix.
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PINOY NIKONIAN says:

Experienced the Notorious ERR on my D90! :(
Wrote to Nikon via:
support.nikontech.com/app/ask

Customer
Hi. I encountered an ERR error shown on the top LCD of my D90, its like the shutter was stuck halfway, looking at the viewfinder its just black(like the mirror was stuck), mirror would only release or fully open after pressing the shutter again. It happened around 5 times in a row, it only stopped doing that after I turned off the camera, removed the lens, memory card and batt/battery pack orig mb-d80, 2 green button reset then reset custom settings inside menu..
Will this have an adverse effect on my camera?
Its practically brand new, bought it just 2 weeks ago! I feel bad, spending $1,000 then experience this problem.
Browsed around the net and discovered that this D90 ERR error is widespread! A lot experienced this ERR on their also practically brandnew D90.
We would like to know your stand on this issue..
www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&fo...

forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&messag...

www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1974891

www.flickr.com/groups/nikon_d90_users/discuss/72157610348...

Is it a software problem that can be solved by a Firmware upgrade thing? A hardware problem???
What should we do?
Everybody in those forums who emailed Nikon regarding this issue said that your reply was you are not aware of this D90 ERR issue.. A lot of them emailed you, as well as I am also now complaining about this ERR on my D90..
Please be transparent with us, we trust and love the brand, from our SLR to D40, D70s, D80, please dont give us this bs..

Also, upto what serial number/batch is this ERR problem prevalent? So as to avoid the bad batch..

Hoping for the best

Engr. X
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stcroix1 says:

Well, finally did it! Giggled, and wiggled things until I am now the not-so-happy owner of a permanent ERR unusable Nikon D90. Guess it is headed back to Ritz, or Nikon... and of course, I'm headed to Hawaii. Guess we'll be using my wife's old Canon G7 to capture the memories, while the D90 is creating its own in the box headed back to Ritz/Nikon. I've been plagued with the "F- - " error codes since the Tamron 18~270 lens was first mounted to the D90 body. It is in a similar state, heading back to Ritz/Tamron for whatever repairs they can make.

I have been able to squeeze out about 6,333 photos with this combination prior to admitting that this combination of lens and DSLR just is not functional.

Damn! I sure would have preferred to have a "FUNCTIONAL" D90 with us on this trip!

Follow-up...

Ok, so I'm taking it apart, remove the lens from the D90, place the little plastic covers on the D90 and the Lens base. I figure "what have I got to lose?" I power-up the camera... ERR. No lens attached, so should have been expected. I push the shutter release... it Clicks! Turn the camera off. Reattach the lens, and now I'm back to the F- - error, at least! This shouldn't be happening... it is indeed headed back from whence it came, but I just may fidget with it long enough to make it through the Hawaii experience... then send it back.

Geesh, I've not had so much fun tinkering with toys since I tried to combine building structures with Lincoln Logs and Leggos!

BACK from Hawaii. Took over 700 shots while on Maui, a couple dozen while up on Haleakala (el. 10,023' max), the rest all over the rest of the island. Not a single F - - nor ERR! NONE! Functioned like a dream.

Ok, so now I take the camera our to a local reservoir yesterday to shoot some of the shore birds, and landscapes... BINGO the F - - almost instantly comes back....UGG%&^$(&^(*&)(*&*&# There is a problem with the lens connection to the D90. I was hoping that it was just an elevation issue, but it seems to be more than just elevation. Is there something about the Barometric pressure difference between being at 10,000 feet elevation in Hawaii and being at 10,000 feet elevation in Colorado that could be affecting this Lens-to-Camera Body connectivity? AND which do I contact for warranty service, Nikon or Tamron?

swear-word; swear-word!
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EternalBlue / Jane Berta Photography says:

I got the f-ee over the weekend with my Sigma lens, it was because the the aperture ring on the lens wasn't at it's lowest setting. Fixed the issue for me, thankfully. I was ready to send the lens and or camera back! lol
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Zeroneg1 says:

Strange that is hapening to you folks. I am mainly using primes and Nikkor older AF-D lenses (FX) and never had this problem and I don't have any third party lenses either.

Maybe we can get a poll going?

KIt Lens? Which one? Y/N?
Nikon AF-S lenses? Y/N?
Nikkor AF-D (FX) lenses? Y/N?
NIkkor DX lenses(Kit lens?)? Y/N?
Nikon G lens? Y/N?
Plastic vs Metal mount Y/N?
Nikon VS Third party Y/N?

Please add anythign esle you can think of.
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PandyD90 says:

I had the issue....Took mine to Nikon for Warranty fix & got it back good as new....though all my custom settings were reset :(
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stcroix1 says:

added to my post on this issue
104 months ago (permalink)

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artywah says:

Bought my D90 with the kit 18-105 lens on April 2nd.

April 28 I got the ERR message and couldn't clear it. Spoke to Nikon support & they got me to try a few things with no luck.

It's now in at a repair centre and will probably be there for 2 weeks.

To say I'm not happy is putting it mildly.
104 months ago (permalink)

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Patricia Gil ::: Inkube Design says:

Hi,

I just bought my camera 2 weeks ago, today is the second time I used it. I got the ERR/CHA error.
I was taking a picture in low light condition and changed my lens to manual and then I got the error.
I tried to turn the camera off and it wont do it, I tried to take out the memory card but is stuck.
I just figured out that a lot of people have this same problem before, but nobody mentioned about the memory card getting stuck or the camera not turning off.
I took the battery out but still haven't been able to take the memory card out, I can see the photos on my monitor and ERR keeps blinking.
.... This is terrible....
104 months ago (permalink)

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mo'funk is a group moderator mo'funk says:

We've discussed Memory card before.

www.flickr.com/groups/nikon_d90_users/discuss/72157609065...

Try wiggling it and remove it carefully. Last week I was playing with my SD card, moving the lock on the side to on. When I turned my D90 on I got the CHR error. Unlock the SDd - no CHR error. I've had my D90 for 6months and the SD card comes out of slot a lot easier now.

Make sure you pull straight out. Reset camera. Make sure lens is completely locked.
104 months ago (permalink)

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jnrecord says:

I get the F-- on my D90 when trying to use a Tokina 400mm AF telephoto. It sometimes works if I mount the lens with the camera on. Two emails to Tokina support on the possibility of "re chipping" the lens have, so far, had no response.
104 months ago (permalink)

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grovlam says:

Just want to add that I have now sent my lens 18-105 for repair and the repair center ensured me that they would be able to permanently fix this issue. They said something about re-soldering the connection on the lens. Not sure about the technical details, but they clamed that they had “fixed” many lenses already and that the issue did not reappear with this correction to the lens.
I will let you guys know my findings in about a month time when I can give some kind of valid feedback on this issue and in regards to if this actually fixed the issue or not.
104 months ago (permalink)

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artywah says:

After 2 weeks I got my D90 back from the repairers. All they told me was that the camera had been 'reset'
103 months ago (permalink)

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telluride tails says:

grovlam and arty,
New to this forum, but would like to know if your camera's are indeed fixed? I've been having horrible problems for over a month now (every time I use the camera) and although I've been reading about these issues, nobody has commented if Nikon is able to correct the issue.
Thanks.
103 months ago (permalink)

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DFW_Nikonite says:

I had to send mine in to Nikon a few months ago for a "Green Light of Death" issue ... it seems to have fixed the F-- error also, I have not seen it manifest since.
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ovidiu_tudor says:

I’ve experienced one of these ERR messages. The detach/attach lens didn’t work. Nor the remove reinsert memory card. Nor the reset by that matter. The only thing that worked was removing and reinserting the battery. Though the error still appeared the shutter worked when pressed and the error disappeared. I was using a 50mm f1/8 lens. I was shooting in semi-dark and has the d90 in live-view, just before the problem manifested.
Nikon Romania said they never heard about this problem before….. and there’s nothing they can do
103 months ago (permalink)

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trevindc says:

I've been getting the ERR message on my D90 from the first week or two of ownership. Until now it's been fairly intermittant, tried all the suggested fixes (change memory cards, clean lens contacts, reset camera etc etc) and have come to the conclusion that NONE of these things are the cause of the problem.

I took about 50 low-light shots last night without a single problem. Today, in bright sunlight, I was constantly getting ERR messages. I would usually get an image, but badly overexposed. Of 40 or so shots there are only a handful that are properly exposed. The camera was virtually unusable. The only thing working properly was video.

Back home tonight and it's working perfectly again. What's up? Shoot 50 test shots no problem - but low light again. I point the camera at something with strong highlights and... ERR message immediately. I've now tested this with a number of different settings and it's absolutely consistent. Strong highlights will be rewarded with the ERR message.

This is depressing because I love the camera but Nikon seem not to recognize (and therefore have no fix for) this problem. It's widespread in one form or another, and whether the cause is the same in all cases is hard to say. I guess they will exchange the camera but there seems to be a fair chance that a new one will have similar issues.

Will report back with the Nikon response.

Trevor
103 months ago (permalink)

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bauplenut says:

I get it every now and then using the 18-105 kit lens, just wiggle the lens, and it goes away. But it is inconvienent when you are ready to take a shot and it occurs. Nikon deny any problem though !!! I am disappointed with the Nikon response, if this is their approah then brand loyalty may have to change !
103 months ago (permalink)

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Gavin Chapman says:

I got the ERR message and sent the camera back to the repair centre in London 2 weeks ago. According to the manual it is a shutter related issue and needed to be sent back for repairs.

When i get it back i will update with my results.

I have to say that this seems to be a fairly common issue for a new camera...
103 months ago (permalink)

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jeffrojr says:

i got the err message on my d90 and ended up returning it. i got a replacement, which so far has not had the same problem.
103 months ago (permalink)

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Jeckenzibbel says:

I get the F-- message too. With my new (bought in February) Nikon D90 and 18-200 Nikkor lens. Very annoying. I have not seen anyone else here have this problem with the 18-200 lens. I think I will take it back to the retailer as well. It's getting worse and worse.
103 months ago (permalink)

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Gavin Chapman says:

Got my camera back after returning it as it had the ERR message and since had no problems. It seems its the way to go....
102 months ago (permalink)

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Roentgenm says:

My D90 with the kit 18-105 lens kept on locking-up when I attempted to expose and gave me the 'ERR 'message. This was only corrected by loosening the lens or removing the battery! Not very good for a £750 6 week old camera. I was able to exchange the complete kit for a new one (thanks to Jessops great customer service).
I am happy with the new unit and have not had any further errors.
102 months ago (permalink)

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stonefaction says:

I get the F-- message a lot with my Sigma 50-500. It seems to be casued by the lens not fitting quite snugly where it should. The lens itself seems to move around a millimetre or so in relation to the body. When I adjust the lens/body in opposite directions (lens clockwise/ body anti-clockwise) the problem rectifies itself. It's a bit annoying when you lose the ability to take a photo for a few seconds in the middle of an airshow or similar because the lens has moved as you zoomed in.
102 months ago (permalink)

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gmenut says:

Had this happen with the 18-105 kit lens early on.
Seems to be a lens specific contact issue and "healed" with time - did not happen again on my recent trip using only the "vacation lens"
Never happened with the 70-300 VR metal mount lens.
102 months ago (permalink)

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Walter Smith - N1DQU says:

Suggestion! After reading about the F... error here and other threads. I put my lenses(both my 18-105mmVR & 70-300mm VR) on the camera and left them on a few days. This allowed the contacts of the lens and camera to "seat" making for a better contact point. I have never had the F... problem. Try it.
102 months ago (permalink)

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pankajgautam says:

Looks like, I'm not alone to see D90 ERR message. I've 18-105mm lens, bought it a month ago. I've seen this message about 3-4 times. First couple of times, I had to pop out the battery to clear the ERR from the LCD.
On 3rd time, It secrewed me up. I think I popped out the battery without switching off the camera. It cleared the ERR message but my 16GB OCZ SSD reported to be unreadable. It only gives option to format it again.
I called Nikon, they told me OCZ is not one of the support SSD for Nikon and they can't do anything about it. It is a SSD problem and not camera problem. I think my first and foremost priority is to see if there is any way I can recover about 200+ hawaii vacation pictures. Right now I'm not sure if it was the abnormal battery removal which caused the ssd to go bad or it is the problem with these Gold series OCZ SD cards.
I've switched to Sandisk now. If I see anymore F*** or ERR messages again then someone is going to get F*** messages from me.
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KMGuy says:

I've run into the F-- message with both Nikon and Tamron lenses. The Tamron significantly more so. Dismounting and remounting the lens always clears it up and it seems to be a trait of the D90. I don't know if there is a true fix for it yet. But as long as it doesn't cost me a once in a lifetime shot then I can live with it.
102 months ago (permalink)

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tdot timidly tweaks tuesday's tillyhats says:

I get the F-- error WITH METAL MOUNT LENSES. (Caps to answer the question loudly since i'm frustrated!). I see this error at least 5 times a day. It will kick-in in the middle of shooting and I will miss GOOD photos because of it. Grr.

I have the Nikon 16-85mm (metal mount), the Nikon 35mm f1.8 (metal mount), and the D90.

I get F-- errors with each, more with the 16-85. I read from a post above that nikon said there was factory grease on the contacts. Looking at mine with my naked eye I can't see anything but that doesn't mean it's not true. I'm going to go clean the contacts carefully now with lukewarm water as advised, if that doesn't work, then try vinegar, if that doesn't work, take it back.
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trevindc says:

Ok so my D90 had the ERR problem (see my earlier post) and was sent back to Nikon for warranty repair. I had it back within 3 weeks, working perfectly now (so far... this episode has caused a loss of confidence in the equipment).

The work order says the SHUTTER was replaced. So nothing to do with lens contacts or memory cards that sometimes seems to be the problem, dnd resetting by removing the battery is only a temporary fix, if a fix at all.

So I guess ultimately we should be bombarding Nikon with warranty repair requests rather than tolerating (when symptoms are mild or intermittant) this obvious flaw.

Trevor
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Photos by Elyssa says:

I just bought a D90 last weekend. I had taken nearly 100 pics in the same location when I suddenly got the ERR message and the camera stopped working. I shut the camera off and turned it on and it seems to be fine now, but this seems to be a common on-going problem. I will contact Nikon.
102 months ago (permalink)

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Qian12345 says:

From my own experience with the 18-105mm kit lens and research I have done there is a simple fix to this issue.

Firstly I advise not to wiggle, jiggle and shake anything, only do actions that the camera was designed for, the engineers would not have taken these motions into account as a fix when a camera has an error code.

The error F-- error is due to the lens not being bedded in properly.Simply release the lens, rotate to release, then rotate to lock again. I suggest doing this 10 times. This will bed in the contacts between the lens (plastic or metal mount) and body.

When I first got my D90 and kit lens I put it on straight away and never took it off. After 3 weeks the F-- error displayed. Turning the body off and on did help but the error would come back. I did as instructioned above and the error never came back.
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andytlr says:

I just had this ERR problem. Took the first shot of the night then tried to take the second. It sounded like the shutter released but didn't close again. Then a few seconds later I heard it close but I couldn't take any more shots. Then I noticed ERR on the screen. Turned it off, on, off on. Took the battery out. Nothing, got shitty, had a few beers then did a search on my phone. Found this thread, took the lens off, put it back on, pressed the shutter and ERR went away.

Thanks guys :) Hopefully it doesn't come back.

Side note: Seems most people are having issues with heavy lenses with plastic mounts. I mostly use a light 50mm lens, which was on when ERR happened.
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Diana Villanueva says:

I had the same problem. Thanks to one member of this group, I followed the instructions he gave, and for the moment, the camera is working fine. Just as this user explained, I cleaned very well the conections of the lens with isopropilic alcohol, and then put, and take out the lens up to 10 times to let the lens conections bed to the camera. (Sorry for my english).
Do not Know if it was good luck or the solution, but at the moment, everything is working fine.
By the way, the camera works perfect with my sigma 70-300 apo, so I understand that the problem is on the lens, not in the camera.
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peterwhite1 says:

I'm glad, but not really glad to see that I'm not the only one with the Err and the F--., and the F stop keeps going to F 90 and will not change. Seems that people are talking about the 18-105 lens. I have the Nikon 18-200 VR lens, and just saw that jeckenzibbel has the same lens with the same problem. I'm shooting in manual as recommended by the forum. The camera for some reason goes to F 90 and I can't change it. The shutter can change though. And that F-- comes up often. I only have that one lens. I've done the lens removal, battery cover opened, and the card removal. I still get it . This camera is ticking me off. You spend money on an expensive camera and this is what you get.
98 months ago (permalink)

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Amy Willard says:

make sure your aperture ring on the lens is locked in. I noticed I had this error because the ring would slip out of position on my Tamron lens.
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lap0la says:

i have this err issue too. i get my d90 in april or so and since two months ago i have the problem. it's just when i use the camera with any of my two 18-55 nikon lenses. i own also a nikon 70-300 and with it works perfectly. i have notice that the err appears just when i'm trying to shoot with f's biggers than 4. if i keep my abertures in 3.5 or 4 it works fine.
in some forums i read that it should be something with de memory cards but i also have tryed it with a transcend and a sandisk card and the problem stay the same.
i don´t know what to do because i bougth the camera with an extended warranty so they would chanche my camera for a new one, but have read about people who chanched the camera and have the same issues with the new one.
did someone get his camera repaired by nikon succesfully?
should i try to get mine fixed or chanched?
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SoCalBob says:

This is a well known problem that many people have with certain lenses (nearly always those with plastic mounts like your 18-55). It has NOTHING to do with your memory card!

When you get the Err message it means the lens is not making proper contact with the camera body. You can almost always fix it by simply taking the lens off the camera and remounting it again. Also, clean the contacts on both the camera and lens mount with a soft, dry cloth (do not use any solvents or cleaners).

The problem is caused by the lens, and NOT the camera. If you want to call it that (and I do), it is a design flaw or deficiency that is characteristic of nearly all the lens models that have plastic mounts. You don't get the problem with your 70-300 because it has a metal mount.
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Gooner Chris says:

Well this is why i joined the group - i thought i was the only one with these probs! - Happened when i had just charged the battery up! Not really on with a kit worth £800 !!!
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mpc_15 says:

i'm using my D90 with the nikkor 17-55 f2.8 and getting all the same issues as above :(

my camera has been almost un-usable for the last few weeks and all my equipment is less than a year old. did any of you guys get replies from your emails to nikon or should i just call them and ask for a replacement?
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Gimp-E says:

Didn't email, just called Nikon and sent it in for service. Under a year old, it should still be covered. Just call them, and get it sent off.
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mpc_15 says:

they actually gave me a very speedy reply! but yea i have to send it in.

"Sorry to hear your D90 camera is giving your trouble. I would suggest you to send in the camera, lens and battery to us for evaluation.

Please include a copy of receipt, description of problem and your contact information.

Service: help.nikon.ca/faqid=6618

Richard"
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jronaldlee says:

I was having the same issue with my D90 & 18-105 (ERR & F--), and the shop traded it for a new body.

Three weeks later it started happening again. This time they sent my equipment in for repairs, and while I hated not having my camera while it was gone, it's been trouble free since then.
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