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Dan Coulter is a group administrator Dan Coulter says:

If we think of this group's collective product as a recommendations, what steps should we take to move a user's suggestions for namespaces and predicates into the recommendation? Here are some possibilities as I see them:

- We setup documentation (like a wiki, for example) where anyone and everyone can go and make changes to the recommendation. I like the idea of it being free to let people add to it immediately, but if something changes (or it gets vandalized), some people might see information that is different than they may have normally seen.

- Anyone can come to the group and make a suggestion and then it is discussed here before it's added to the documentation. For namespaces, we can discuss what additional predicates it could use. If no one has objections after a certain amount of time, it can go through.

- Use some sort of voting system. Obviously, things would probably go through a round or two of discussion before it got voted on.

I'm personally leaning toward the second option. A formalized voting system might be overkill for our needs. On the other hand, it would let people be anonymous in their disapproval, if they wanted to be.

Just from the first discussion (about the lens tags), it's becoming apparent that we're going to need an external place for documentation. Otherwise, the recommendations that the group comes up with will be lost in the message boards.
12:18PM, 25 January 2007 PDT (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

I'm starting to believe more and more that discussion should take place on an independent site because of how universal they are (and can) be.

I think that an open wiki is a good option; discussion should take place in either the wiki or another open platform (such as a mailing list).

For the establishment of a namespace and predicates, the "big players" in that space should probably be brought into that discussion and see if there can't be a resolution made (e.g., bring in the canon and nikon groups to the lens namespace discussion and see if one format can't be created). Of course, suggestions should be made freely and shouldn't be shot down without proper reasoning.
-Chasen
100 months ago (permalink)

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Dan Coulter is a group administrator Dan Coulter says:

I'll setup a site with a wiki for documentation. What do you guys think of mtags.info?

If we take the discussion off of Flickr's site, we might gain some people who normally wouldn't take part in the discussion, but will we lose the engagement of the flickr community?
100 months ago (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

I've registered tripletags.org and machinetags.org just in case, so those are options too. I didn't register them for control, but to make sure no one took those domain names if they were of interest to us. I like the name "triple tags" better since they're both machine and human readable.

We might lose some, but those interested will still participate and we might gain some traction by posting onto the API mailing list once we're up and running. I think there are more pros to moving to an independent site than there are cons.
-Chasen
Originally posted 100 months ago. (permalink)
rendezvouscp edited this topic 100 months ago.

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Dan Coulter is a group administrator Dan Coulter says:

I like tripletags too, but if we take the discussion off Flickr's site and stop calling them machine tags, there might be too much of a distance from what Flickr is doing. I think it might be best to go with machinetags.org.
100 months ago (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

Either way, we'll do a redirect so that either domain works. The "concept" is really early in implementation, so now if ever would be a good time for the change. Hopefully some other people will speak up on the matter.
-Chasen
100 months ago (permalink)

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Dan Coulter is a group administrator Dan Coulter says:

Well, I'm going to be travelling this weekend. Perhaps people can post some of the things that they'd like to see in the documentation and perhaps where they'd like to see discussion. I will probably check back in before I leave, but I'll probably be able to put up a wiki on Monday.
100 months ago (permalink)

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premasagar says:

In the wiki documentation, I'd like to see a page listing pre-existing semantic markup standards that may inform the development of machine tag conventions e.g. microformats, Dublin Core. Specific standards may be discussed on separate pages.
100 months ago (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

I think I'll have the domain and wiki up by tomorrow, but we still need to figure out how we'll discuss.
-Chasen
100 months ago (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

The domain is online and the wiki is accessible at www.machinetags.org/wiki/. Everything's fresh, so it's going to be a joint movement for all of us to make this happen.

We still, as a group, need to figure out how the primary discussion will take place (mailing list, wiki, etc.). The wiki needs to be designed (I've worked with MediaWiki software before, so I'm familiar with how to template a wiki). Should we have a journal to highlight the things that are occuring in the community?
-Chasen

P.S. I set up everything not with the intention of being the control freak; I am, however, motivated.
100 months ago (permalink)

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wasvel says:

great initiative! a mailing list would be welcome too!...that's easier to exchange ideas, while we could use the wiki for defining the tags...
100 months ago (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

I'll work on getting a mailing list up in about twelve hours (school!). Does anyone have any suggestions?
-Chasen
100 months ago (permalink)

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wasvel says:

mt-discuss@machinetags.org ?
100 months ago (permalink)

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rendezvouscp says:

Sorry, for mailing list software.
-Chasen
Originally posted 100 months ago. (permalink)
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rendezvouscp says:

The mailing list is now available for signup at machinetags.org/mailman/listinfo/machinetags_machinetags.org.
-Chasen
100 months ago (permalink)

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