Discussions (548)
Later, JPG.
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Jim O'Connell says:
Just read powazek.com/posts/534 after wondering where Derek and Heather went to. |
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benroberts says:
that stinks.... |
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Mister Boboli says:
That sucks hardcore. OP chose an apt discussion topic. |
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Findo says:
What a way to alienate the punters!
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Finecrafted by Nori says:
The truth shall set you free, JPG. Either that, or you get cut loose in another way. I, too, think this stinks.
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Steve Rhodes says:
Someone put Derek's post on Digg |
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Jim O'Connell says:
When you build your business model on community, you are far more subject to that community's spirit. |
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paolofusco says:
that really sucks! business men tend to be so stupid sometimes...
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BorderHirst says:
Sucks All right I signed up 4 or 5 hours ago. quickest membership in History! SEEYA JPG.
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marvelous cable [deleted] says:
This is just too sad. Count me out...I'm no longer a member. |
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bump says:
and.... I'm out too
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internal pan [deleted] says:
8020 80% LEAVE 20% STAY if they're lucky, won't be left with much of a mag by the sounds of!! latez
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Wingdingo says:
Yep, it's good bye from me too.
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Threepwood says:
All sounds pretty nasty to me after reading Dereks post, would like to hear the balancing POV. Is there any response from 8020?
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rutty says:
Ouch! That doesn't sound like a smart move on 8020's part at all. |
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calm airplane [deleted] says:
Well that seems fairly crappy. I'd really be interested in hearing 8020's reasoning behind their actions.
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regular trip [deleted] says:
As would I. |
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fensterbme says:
@antijenx: I agree... and now they will most likley have to respond. I don't see how this can go well for JPG... |
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jasnom says:
wow....posting this here in a publc forums was just a GREAT IDEA! |
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Ben Yacobi says:
There's an awful lot of people here ready to take actions based on one side of the story. Would you get your opinions about the world just from one newspaper? |
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murburger01 says:
WTF! that Paul is a Cu*t
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TimTim74 says:
This sucks big time...... I am off to to delete my account.....
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Vidiot says:
yes, it would be nice if theorem would come in and explain the decision. But I must say that I'm rethinking subscribing, as a lot of what drew me to JPG was the friendly, homey, you're-among-a-small-group-of-interesting-people vibe. |
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angry snow [deleted] says:
I'd like to hear the other side of the story too...but as it stands, I'm pissed. We may have to organize a mass cancellation.
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ms.Tea says:
it really kind of dulls the shine that JPG magazine had. |
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humanparallax says:
Wow, I was seriously thinking about a subscription but I can't support something as cold as this. |
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feigned oatmeal [deleted] says:
v-spec says: Paul is one of the Admins of this group. Maybe he should say something? |
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deafening toad [deleted] says:
Paul isn't going to respond to anything, because ANYTHING he says is going to be a PR blunder. |
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Jim Lindley says:
I'm out.
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calm airplane [deleted] says:
I'd like to hear both sides of the story before I make my decision. I like Derek, he's a nice guy, and while I never talked to Heather, I'm sure she's just as cool. I hope that whatever they do works out well for them. But, I love the idea of JPGMag, and I want to hear what they have to say about this.
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brnpttmn says:
and the sad thing is, by canceling, you end up hurting DP and Heather anyway, since they're still owners... |
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mrettig says:
Pulled my pics from the site, cancelled my account. Sigh.
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Sherriatric says:
Wow, that was a MONUMENTALLY stupid move on Paul's part. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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artelisa says:
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.imelda says:
SO sad to see Derek and Heather's child ripped from them. So Sad! |
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groovylab says:
Having followed Derek and Heather careers since like ever, I find this very sad. |
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Sherriatric says:
artelisa: I hope you don't mind that I copied your screenshot idea and put one in my stream. The more people who know about this, the better!
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fantastical doctor [deleted] says:
Goodbye, JPG Mag. I hope you learn your lesson from fleecing the two founding editors, sure, you "came out on top" but at what cost? |
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Mute* says:
Account deleted. |
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DerDrache says:
*sigh* |
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amuck minute [deleted] says:
Account deleted, photos removed, subscription cancelled. I have had one photo and two interviews published in JPG, I adored the magazine and of course I have admired Heather and Derek since I met them in San Francisco when I joined Flickr two years ago. |
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beebo wallace says:
Yep ... |
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j l t says:
My account is deleted now. Was very unhappy that they took down the issue with my photo in it. C'est la vie. They were built by these two kind people and their fans, and now they've basically told us all they don't need Derek, Heather or us. Well, we don't need 8020 either. Goodbye, JPG.
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John Goldsmith says: |
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S.D. says:
Deleted mine too. |
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cbfotographie says:
I just canceled my account too. I know D&H are still part-owners, but I can't stand this kind of unethical behavior. I only joined JPG because of D&H's vision and now they've been booted so I'm OUT too.
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mclgreenville / memorymotel says:
Does Paul have an email? |
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mr walker says:
sad. just sad.
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absent basin [deleted] says:
business geniuses. yes, let's alienate our entire audience and just hope we can survive on the brand.
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mclgreenville / memorymotel says:
I really want to hear his side of the story.
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rainy digestion [deleted] says:
Insane to even consider rewriting the history of a brand that was created entirely from the support of an internet community as vocal as Flickr. Business geniuses, indeed. |
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rainy digestion [deleted] says:
Here is the key bit, I think, for anyone who hasn't read the piece: |
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dartar says:
Matt, Paul Cloutier is a flickr user and admin on this group, but I guess he'll be a bit stressed to answer private FlickMail at the moment. |
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especially_today says:
this is just so sad... who do they think they are fooling? |
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mclgreenville / memorymotel says:
Brutal. |
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FlyButtafly says:
Just went and deleted my account. If they don't want to acknowledge our contributions - let alone D&H's!!! - they can just kiss my thistle. I've been a member of this group since Oct. 2005 (after joining earlier that year and quitting for some reason), and this is the most ridiculous thing I think could have happened. Don't they think people will wonder "what about the first 6 issues?" when they go to the Issues page?
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caf says:
I don't know how appreciative Derek will be of everyone deleting their accounts. If you go back and read his post, he says, "I still own a percentage of the company, so I hope to see JPG continue to grow and prosper."
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Planet Vicster says:
Removing references to the FOUNDERS of JPG Magazine and the first six issues is explanation enough of Paul Cloutier's side of the story. Regardless of his relationship with Derek and Heather, it's extremely tacky to re-write (well, erase) history like that. |
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mclgreenville / memorymotel says: |
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exultant existence [deleted] says:
some people could screw up a ball bearing in a bucket of grease. see ya JPG Magazine.
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Photos by Julio says:
Hasta la vista JPG! I thought I had just discoverd a great magazine... I'm glad I didn't get to subscribe! |
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FlyButtafly says:
He was a big part of getting us to where we are and we are all really proud of the work we did together. |
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dartar says:
Anyone willing to submit a caustic story to JpgMag and make it their most popular article ever? ;) |
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Nada* says:
Am deleting my account, too. |
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absent basin [deleted] says:
and how dumb do you have to be to think you can erase history in the internet age? come on. everything is documented these days.
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tschopper (Tom Schopper Photography) says:
Not cool.... |
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Nell M says:
I deleted my account too. |
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FlyButtafly says:
I also just pulled all my photos out of this group - except for the one that was in the Oops! issue (one that apparently never existed according to the "new" JPG).
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petebeck says:
photos deleted, account closed. fu8020. that's no way to treat anyone.
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abhiiiiiii! says:
im outta there.
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S.A. Young says:
*sigh* |
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John Goldsmith says:
This is gonna hurt in the morning. Oh wait! This is the morning on Pacific time. Dang . . . . this must really hurt.
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S.D. says:
Maybe we should tag them with "Later, JPG"?
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retrOKC says:
If everyone deletes their accounts, then maybe, just maybe I can get my photo published. |
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Mute* says:
I can't see why you would do this, even from a purely business sense how does it work to your advantage to take these Stalinist measures to rewrite a history every body knows? |
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joeypfeifer says:
This should be gone soon enough. |
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ecparker says:
I think that, to cap off the fucking absolute retardocity of this call, issue 7, 8, and 9 should now be issues 1, 2, and 3. |
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ukraine is sane says:
Wow! have you even considered waiting for the side of the story? And who knows what if the mag ends up being a better piece of work!? You never know maybe you all should wait and see.
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jvollmer says:
Somehow it seems unlikely that we will, though I'd love to hear Paul's thinking as to why supressing JPG's founders myth was a smart thing to do. The removing the old issues thing is the most perplexing part... why?
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beebo wallace says:
Wow! have you even considered waiting for the side of the story? And who knows what if the mag ends up being a better piece of work!? You never know maybe you all should wait and see. |
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DerDrache says:
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Jasonaut says:
I'm out. There is enough self-serving rewriting of history in the world, and I don't need to contribute to the illusion.
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Wespionage says:
The truth is, Derek and Heather did a great job of building up the community and getting people engaged and excited about participating. Even if (and that's looking like a big if) Paul's side of this isn't egregiously sleazy, it doesn't demonstrate the sense of understanding that gave the magazine its momentum. |
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helveticaneue says:
I want no part of this magazine anymore. I've deleted my account and I am leaving this group. |
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Sherriatric says:
Wow! have you even considered waiting for the side of the story? And who knows what if the mag ends up being a better piece of work!? You never know maybe you all should wait and see. |
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rutty says:
Somebody start a protest group already
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Lastexit says:
i'm off to delete my acct...
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gstatton says:
removed my account as well....just very sad...
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fotoattack says:
buh bye. |
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glpease says:
Ukrane, it doesn't matter if the magazine ends up being as successful as TIME, nor what the "other side" is. Revising history, erasing the magazine's founders and the story of its creation, carrying on as though the past never existed shows a lack of integrity that is shameful in light of the original intent of JPG. Lies are lies. There really can be no "other side" to that story.
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Eric Hauser says:
Godamnit. I just subscribed about a week ago. Anyone know if it's possible to cancel a sub? |
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rak says:
Add me to the Account Deleted/Subscription Cancelled/fu8020 group.
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Bill Vaccaro says:
Just deleted my account as well. I can't be associated with an organization that attempts to rewrite its own history by eliminating any reference to the original founders to gave birth to it. Just smacks too much of Stalinism and, lately, our current administration. |
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aqui-ali says:
me too. I'm gone.
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dpnash says:
I deleted my account there as well. |
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absent basin [deleted] says:
jeez, and i wonder what all of us are going to tell people when they ask about JPG magazine? |
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notruemeaning says:
Guess I'm really glad I never got around to open an account there. spares me the trouble of deleting it--- which I shurely would.
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memos to the future says:
I'm usually not one to jump to sudden reactions after merely hearing one side of a story but there is something so utterly creepy in here that I cannot help but wish to stand back and watch from afar for a while. |
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jon madison says:
i don't care to hear another side of the story. |
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Steve Rhodes says:
To cancel, just go here |
