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mario*herrera PRO 9:25pm, 22 September 2012
Hey Guys,
I'm trying to decide between the Plustek 7600i and the 8200i.
Anybody using the Plustek 8200i by any chance?

I like the price on both and lately I'm shooting quite a bit of 35mm.

www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883631-REG/Plustek_7830643...
Morinaka. PRO 4 years ago
The only difference between the 7xxx series and 8xxx series Plustek's is a new outer body and the software, the guts of both are the same inside so if you can find one cheaper than the other then go for it. I can't vouch for any higher quality but i have been interested in buying one myself.
Some Guy (Art) 4 years ago
I use 7400, it's AWSUM, according to filmscanner-info - more resolution than what 7600 and 8200 are offering.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
The Plustek 7600i has a very nice price… Seems like it's being discontinued and being replaced with the 8200i

www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/671940-REG/Plustek_A28_BBM...
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inetjoker PRO 4 years ago
One thing I saw is that on the older ones you have to get inside and clean them out.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I was looking at that one today, it's selling for $177.95 which is dirt cheap... I started reading reviews about it and there seems to be issues with the software. Are you using your 7400 with Windows?
I use Mac OS 10.7 (Lion)

www.adorama.com/ICDP7400FS.html
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I think the newer ones also have an LED light source which eliminates warm-up time.
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inetjoker PRO 4 years ago
Led still won't keep built up out.... LED or Full bar.. or is that Fubar? still attract dust the same way..... :-) But LED or whatever the other ones have I have to say by using the V500 and the V700 I can tell at least on Epson that the LED does not penetrate as well.
Atget's Morning Light 4 years ago
I just bought Plustek 7600Ai a month ago from B&H with the rebate. According to on-line posts from a Plustek representative (Mark Druziak, he's also on flickr: mdruziak), 7600i and 8200i are the same hardware, but bundled with different versions of Silverfast (6.6 vs 8). Once I got 7600i, they gave me a free upgrade to SF 8 Ai. Please see this thread on dpreview:

forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1004&me...
(Since I don't have 8200, I cannot compare whether their only difference is the SW. )

Also if you use Mac, make sure you can upgrade to SF 8 if you buy 7600i. SF 6.6 doesn't run on 10.7 and 10.8.

My experience with 7600i so far is very positive in general, and I'm happy. Most of my recent photos on Flickr are scanned from 7600i. The bundled IT8 target is very effective on Velvia 50 and most of the time on Elitechrome, but is thrown off on Velvia 100. I just learned how to color correct them but I think eventually I'll get more IT8 targets. As to negatives, the built-in profiles seems fine for Gold 100/400, and decent for Portra 400. As to Ektar, I got some good scans but way-off colors on others (comparing to lab scans, which have great color).

However, the machine is not without issues. The most serious one is It seems that there's a bug in the driver occasionally causing color casts in the scanned images. It doesn't happen every time, and I had found a couple tricks to work around. Most of the time I can avoid this problem. But it's annoying. According to SF people, Plustek has identified the issue and is working on it. Another issue is it's almost hopeless scanning dense slides. I have a couple underexposed ones, looking fine on the light table & projected, but the scans are very dark and noisy.
yup, Windows.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
Thanks philosli,
I've seen Mark at some of the discussions, I remember the name.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, I just wonder if Plustek offers firmware updates from time to time.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I think the Plustek works by making several passes per frame of film. Nevertheless the 7400 is so cheap :-)
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inetjoker PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by inetjoker (admin) 4 years ago
Also a thought Put it on a separate area from your work table if it is multi pass. Vibrations and Multipass are just not good I learned the hard way.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
Wow Larry… That's good to know.
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inetjoker PRO 4 years ago
Who says I can't teach old people Mario. "-)
Get the one with the Digital ICE or the dust and scratch remover and if you are printing get the one with the higher resolution.... my two cents :)
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inetjoker PRO 4 years ago
That is all software on them.
well, not just software - for IR channel you'd need some hardware to pull that too.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
Even at my age I'm still fully trainable :-)
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I was reading that all the model ending in "i" are IR equipped and ICE compatible. Although my film photography is 99% B/W is worth it paying a few more bucks to have this capability.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
Correct :-)
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I'm looking at the Adorama listing for the Plustek 7600i and doesn't say it comes with Silver Fast 8.0

www.adorama.com/ICDP7600ISE.html
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
The rep from Plustek Mark Druziak, is a pretty cool guy, seems to be helping everybody out... I'm sold :-)
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inetjoker PRO 4 years ago
Sort of what sold me on using ORWO. Great contact....
Klaus Doblmann [deleted] Posted 4 years ago. Edited by Klaus Doblmann (member) 4 years ago
regarding 7600i and OSX 10.7/10.8: The driver (which only comes supplied with Silverfast) is buggy as hell (scanner switching into some kind of a slow mode with lots of aliasing every second scan), I even replaced mine with a Reflecta some time ago but have now switched back because I got a new (beta?) driver framework from Plustek at the beginning of July which finally works flawlessly - and the 7600i is FAR superior to the Reflecta Proscan 7200 (the only advantage of which is better scratch and dust removal with color negs and slides). It's gonna be a while until this new framework will be integrated into Silverfast though, Silverfast is still evaluating this new framework for over two months now and they have released 3 new versions in the meantime without including the new framework as there are still some issues according to them (but not in my own testing)...
forum.silverfast.com/silverfast-8-mac-os-x-drivers-t8818-...

BTW: Silverfast had a special a few months ago where you got a free upgrade to SF8 when buying the 7600. I think that special has expired now and there's no way I would pay extra for it because it ONLY works with the scanner you're buying it for. I've long switched to Vuescan instead - works with all my scanners and suits my workflow far better (flat looking 16bit scan, editing in Lightroom). You're still gonna need Silverfast (at least the trial version ;) ) to install the framework though, as Plustek doesn't supply it on their own for whatever reason.
mdruziak 4 years ago
The OSX framework for all of the OpticFilm 7xxx scanners is here: downloads.plustek.com/downloads/english/driver/OpticFilmS... The 8XXX framework isn't on the website yet, but if you need it, send me a note and I'll send it to you: markdruziak )at( plustek dot com.

Please don't request it here because I don't check these discussions regularly.
Atget's Morning Light 4 years ago
@Mark: Thanks for the pointer to the new framework! I'll give it a shot :)

@Klaus: Even after the expiration date, I did get a free upgrade to SF 8 from 6.6, bundled w/ 7600i, about a month ago. Mark helped and I got the serial number from SF in a day. Kudos to Mark :)
Klaus Doblmann [deleted] 4 years ago
Mark: I just downloaded the framework from your link and it's dated October 2011. The one I got from Plustek Germany has a timestamp of 29th of June 2012. It would be interesting to know whether there are any differences or what they might be? I don't really want to test the October '11 one since I finally got my scanner working properly in July after having bought it in February and having had major troubles with the old framework the months before...
Atget's Morning Light 4 years ago
@Klaus: I tried Mark's link framework, I think it still gives the color cast problem. So I reinstalled SF 8 r16. I guess I'll stay put until further words from Plustek/SF.

@Mark: Is it possible to to test the version Klaus has mentioned?
mdruziak 4 years ago
Klaus, I think the one you got from Germany has the 8xxx drivers and that is about the only difference

Philoli, Do a quick test and turn off Multiple Exposure and see of that eliminates the color cast. Someone reported that sometimes when the turn on Multiple Exposure the Remove Colorcast box is automatically checked sometimes. When this box is checked, it seems that a colorcast is induced.

Let me know what you get.
Klaus Doblmann [deleted] Posted 4 years ago. Edited by Klaus Doblmann (member) 4 years ago
When I look at the build dates of the binaries included (and taking a quick peek using a hex editor) there definitely are differences so they are different versions. Also the German support gave me an apology for taking so long to reply, they told me they had just fixed this issue and sent me the new framework with the fix included. Judging the timestamps the version I got wasn't a week old when they sent it to me. The framework for download by above link is actually a year older than the one I got, the binary even dates back to 8th July 2011. Definitely not a new version.
The problem also has nothing to do with Multi Exposure as it's the same when using Vuescan (the slow scan speeds and artifacts, that is). The only thing that helped for me was this new framework. If anyone's interested, shoot me your emailaddress using the messaging function here on flickr and I'll forward you the framework I got from Plustek which fixed things for me.
Vedad Sehic 4 years ago
I have had 7400 and I can only say it was crap...plustek never again
mdruziak 4 years ago
Klaus, thanks for your feedback. Let me talk to the Product Manager to see if she can get the new framework posted on the website.
mblomqvist 4 years ago
I'm using the 7400 and I'm quite happy with it. In fact so happy I no more shoot MF. I just don't see any added value.
Atget's Morning Light Posted 4 years ago. Edited by Atget's Morning Light (member) 4 years ago
@Mark: I got a copy of the new framework from Klaus. First impression is it works well and solves the problem.

As to the original framework coming with SF 8, initially I thought it's the Remove Colorcast box causing the issue, but later I found out this is not the reason. Even it's not checked, the color cast may still appear (along with slow scan). Later I found a couple tricks to avoid this problem:

1. After finishing all adjustment, redo a prescan and do the full-strength scan right after the prescan.
2. Turn off ME.
3. Try re-adjust the size of the scan boundary box. Make sure the box exclude all film rebates and the slide/strip holder.
4. If all fails, turn off scanner and closes SF 8, then reopen.

I think 1-3 usually solve the problem.
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mario*herrera PRO Posted 4 years ago. Edited by mario*herrera (moderator) 4 years ago
The way you put it is very encouraging, the current price on 7400 is very temping. Are you using Silverfast 8 with it?
Metrix X Posted 4 years ago. Edited by Metrix X (member) 4 years ago
The 7400 has renewed my interest in shooting my 35mm cameras. But the silverfast entry level software is useless and the upgrade is more then the scanner. I use vuescan but even here I have a uncomfortable relationship with the antiquated interface by comparison even the epson one looks more modern.
mdruziak 4 years ago
Metrix X. If you have VueScan and don't like the interface, why don't you scan in RAW and then edit in Photoshop or Lightroom?

I like the new version of Silverfast a lot better than the old version.
mdruziak 4 years ago
Ok here is the story on the Mac framework. There are a couple different versions floating around and the new framework may not have solved all the problems.

If you are having a problem with color shifts or slow scanning and you are on the Mac platform, you must contact Plustek support for your region. They will provide the latest DNG file. Go to Plustek.com and click on Contact Us and then Technical Support.

The framework should be finalized and posted on the download page in about 1 week.
Metrix X 4 years ago
mdruziak Because silverfast raw is proprietary hard to use later on in the workflow while Vuescan allows for a more or less flat scan to tiff which fits into my workflow. Silverfast takes the tact that the lower version of software is designed for the ignorant amateurs if you want to be a pro you most get an expensive upgrade, Vuescan even with it's antiquated interface fits in my workflow with minimum fuss
Atget's Morning Light 4 years ago
@Mark: Thanks for the info! Just curious what's DNG file?
Hannu_E_K PRO 4 years ago
FWIW: Adobe uses that suffix for their "Digital Negative" files.
www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&q=adobe+dng
geowelch PRO 4 years ago
After I got my 7400 with rebate from B&H, I gave up on Silver Fast too, and went with Vuescan. I find its much simpler to scan to DNG with Vuescan. I'm working mostly with black and white so don't miss Digital Ice at all.
Metrix X 4 years ago
geowelch and if you give up on silverfast they give you a free upgrade to pro version.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
UPDATE:
I ended up getting the Plustek 7400, today I unpacked it and set up the included software on my Mac: Silverfast 4.2.0, and scanned 2 rolls…

One word: WONDERFUL :-)
In fact, I'm a world of hurt, since it's already looking like I'm going to have re-scan a whole year and a half worth of shooting (35mm) oh well.
mblomqvist 4 years ago
7400 is really a good buy for the money IMHO. I use both Silverfast 8 (free upgrade from the previous version, much recommended) and Vuescan 9. I slightly prefer Vuescan b/c of its ease of use.
In fact, I'm a world of hurt, since it's already looking like I'm going to have re-scan a whole year and a half worth of shooting (35mm) oh well.

Ha ha, I feel your pain, I had the urge when I bought my 7400.
It definitely makes shooting 35mm worthwhile.
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inetjoker PRO 4 years ago
An ISF review would be nice.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I'm going to look for that upgrade. Thanks buddy.
I found Silverfast to be a very powerful solution and not as much trouble as some claim in fact I'm pleasantly surprised.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
Guys…
I looked at side to side comparisons of the Plustek & V600, although I've been satisfied with the results from my Epson, with the 7400 there's a world of difference.

And about Silverfast being too complex:
IMHO Silverfast just requires a bit more attention, it took me about an hour of playing with it, to be comfortable with it, quality wise it's amazing.

Today I have a wedding and will be out most of the day, but tomorrow I will post a little review so that you can see for yourselfs just how much are we missing out by not using a dedicated film scanner.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
And here's the place I've got from if you'd like to check it out:
www.adorama.com/ICDP7400FS.html
Atget's Morning Light 4 years ago
I use SF 8 that comes with my 7600 (after upgrade). I would say SF is very powerful and does take me a while to understand some aspects of it. But I have yet to learned every thing of the software. It combines some post-processing capability (like sharpening, curve, color correction), but you can elect not to use those.

The only downside is, SF 8 (the latest revision) on Mac OS 10.8 is very buggy. That is, I need to constantly restart it because very often it simply stops responding to mouse gestures. The only good thing is it remembers the settings automatically so after restarting it loads the settings I just left.
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mario*herrera PRO 4 years ago
I was able to get the free upgrade to Silverfast 8 courtesy of Plustek :-)
I'm playing with it…. Woo Hoo!
Justo_Leon 3 years ago
Hi, greetings from Spain. I have been reading this thread avidly, mainly wondering how mario*herrera's purchase has worked out, in order to decide whether to search for a second hand of the same model or go for the current model. I have only once before had a film scanner, an old Nikon slot-in model connected to mainboard by SCSI, of which I have no fond memories. I have thousands of negatives going back 4 decades and I would like to scan them all and then get restarted in film photography. The reviews I see of Plustek scanners are pretty good, so now I just have to decide which model to go for. All comments welcome. MTIA
athiril 3 years ago
7400 is higher res, albeit no IR dust removal.

But the 7600/8200 still are damn good in resolution terms if you really would prefer to have the help of IR dust removal.

If you're a b&w scanner, def go for the 7400 though.

Quick comparison of a dense slide
Justo_Leon 3 years ago
[http//www.flickr.com/photos/athiril/] athiril:

Many thanks. This is very helpful
bwing_red5 3 years ago
athiril:



Wow. I'm glad I own a plustek 7600i. There is negligible difference between the plustek and the flexlight. This is a big effin' deal. I only wish it had automatic film transport.

The lab scabs are only slightly better than the plustek.
Metrix X 3 years ago
Justo_Leon:

Why the wait as you can see that the 7400 blows the door off even the the top epson flatbed. IMHO the added benifit of digital ice is only slight as spotting by hand can give you the same or better results and you only have to do it up to the level of your output.

I have been using the 7400 for all my 35mm and can't see myself ever going backwards to a flatbed. The price performance ratio is unbeatable.
pooroldpunch 3 years ago
Plustek makes a good product. Not quite as good as a Coolscan, but for price/value and availability, it's unbeatable.
Atget's Morning Light 3 years ago
I've a plustek 7600 and I'm very happy with it.
rosshj PRO 3 years ago
What about he dynamic range Vs. the Coolscan? Also, do you know much about the Plustek OpticFilm 8200i SE?
Atget's Morning Light Posted 3 years ago. Edited by Atget's Morning Light (member) 3 years ago
rosshj:
What about he dynamic range Vs. the Coolscan? Also, do you know much about the Plustek OpticFilm 8200i SE?

What I heard from a Plustek representative who also posted here is that Plustek 8200 is the same as 7600, except the bundled Silverfast is a newer version.

As to dynamic range, it's no match to Coolscan V, which I had a chance to use to scan some slides in a library. I rescanned them later using my own Plustek 7600 and there is quite a difference in the shadow or if a slide is underexposed. I tried a couple times of the multiexposre function in Silverfast to recover shadow details. Its effect is modest at best, and certainly cannot compensate the hardware limit of the Plustek.
Atget's Morning Light 3 years ago
rosshj:
What about he dynamic range Vs. the Coolscan? Also, do you know much about the Plustek OpticFilm 8200i SE?

By the way, Plustek's dynamic range, though subpar, is fairly sufficient for negatives, and for well-exposed, no-dense shadow slides.
mdruziak:

I have a brand new 8200i with Silverfast SE, i run a Mac 10.9.3

Got the scanner almost 1 month ago and i wasnt able to do a proper scannig, all i get is blurry images and many many vertical lines all the way

Can anyone help me ?
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inetjoker PRO 2 years ago
Scanning info is now here and t believe this issue is addressed there recently.
www.flickr.com/groups/isf_scanner
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