brash recess [deleted] 12:25pm, 27 March 2010
After all said in Done and talking with Canon Directly The 5D is for me. PS anyone want to sell me one :)
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
After all siad in done heres my new equipment: Canon 5d
1. Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro lens
2. Sigma 70-300 os lens ( al purpose)
3. Tamron 28-75 f2.8 lens
On my wishlist is Canon 70-200 f4L
Canon 50 f1.4 lens
NOTE: this has been a very very dificiult week figuring out what to do but i want to thank everyone who helped me with this project.
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Trevor Warren Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Trevor Warren (admin) 8 years ago
@shooters_desire

My perspective is that bodies just don't matter that much. Unless there's an external factor to consider (e.g. a project that demands a minimum 25 megapixel image file), I'd go down to the camera store, hold different models in my hands and buy the one that felt best.

Then I would stop reading camera magazines because all they do is make people feel bad about what they already own. ;)

Whatever you buy, buy the camera that you'd want to use a lot because taking pictures is going to be the thing that makes you grow the most as a photographer. None of the people I know who use high-end bodies for their work use them outside of work. They're all gushing about these guys now:

www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-GF1-Four-Thirds-Interchangea...
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
yes trevor at this point now i'm just trying to recoup and make better what i had. What i'm leaning more on to now is the Canon 7d and some l series lenses. I was at roberts and you could swear the canon 7d was a nikon d300. Looks just like it. Plus its 18 pixels and video...woohoo. I found a good site where i can get one for 1295.00 4 !/2 star rated.
www.amdv.com/ListProducts.aspx?cid=26&searchcat=&...
There lenses are really good priced as well. Nikon just seems to be very expensive for there lenses and for that reason i'm going back to canon.
the more i learn about Sony the more i am pulling away from them. Sorry Connie:) and miya..
I had a good thing and i acted impulsively but i didn't have that good of lenses. Now i'm building around lense Quality instead..
generationD3/D810 8 years ago
Back to the beginnings after all this mess.....7D......aps sensor and 18 Mp...WOW
moostang78 8 years ago
I say go Nikon. Just from your message sounds like that is what you truly want. Follow your heart! Although Sony will miss you ;o)

Stop driving yourself mad and just buy what you are used to and miss. I can tell you that Sony is WAY different from everything else and your learning curve will start all over and you will be frustrated again. AND most important - if this is just a hobby...why do you want to sink so much money into it anyway? (I should listen to my own advice).

Not trying to deter you from Sony, but go Nikon. I think it's a better choice for you.
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
I see no difference between Nikon and Canon now that Raw format is out. I have no loyalty to Nikon any longer because anything that says Nikon is Costly. The 7d is equivelent to the d300s almost identicle cameras. Nikon is like the mercedes where Canon is like the Cadillac at least you can get parts cheaper in america. ( Trevors Fuming). If i was to stay with Nikon the only choice would be a D700. I'm down to the 2 of them but because of the price of L lens ( canon) i'll go with Canon once again most likely. I have gotten a good education in the Last year in Photography from Schooling and other photographers. BUT i don't wantit to to be " Just a Hobbie"
Theres also a chance i'll walk away from it all for a while because of financial Reasons. Hopefully not. David
PS. Brian i Hope you get better soon
generationD3/D810 8 years ago
Doing fine here...chemo over and wait for blood to get back to normal.
david...I have been shooting with Nikon for over 25 years and see no need to change. The satisfaction and quaility I get from my equipment keeps me where I started. Their will always be something new out there, but be satisfied with what you are comfortable with and build from there.
brash recess [deleted] 8 years ago
Thanks for that Good advise Brian. You would do good as leading a photo gathering centering on a specific subject at a shoot out. Get with Moostang or Stewart and i'm sure they could arrange it. YOu have a lot of skill to pass on. I have a friend whos son had leukemia and it was a VERY difficult ride for them to recovery. Pretty much they had to take him as far down as tehy could then rebuild the blood level all over again. I felt for the kid . Thats hard on any one. Prayer does work Brian and i'm sure there are those who are in here that will pray for your recovery.. See you soon. David
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Trevor Warren 8 years ago
@shooters_desire

I think the 7D is a fine camera. I was worried about cramming that many pixels into a APS-C sensor affecting image quality but it seems that Canon has addressed that issue. Once you start getting into the "prosumer" level of cameras it's really like buying a $50,000 car. There's no bad choice, just some minor philosophical differences.

I have zero brand loyalty so if you're happy I'm happy. I just don't want you falling victim to the belief that the purpose of pro equipment is to make it easier to become a pro. Pro equipment is solely designed to make being a pro easier and there's a big difference.
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
yes i agree whole heartily Trevor. What i like about the prosumer cameras is the FEEL. Plus its built to last longer. I would like to get my hands on a d1 mark 3 but its not looking good. Looking more like the 7d. I am trying to look at what lens would fit my kind of shooting.
I have found out in the past the 60mm macro fits me well But am leaning once again on the 85mm f1.8 instead.
The other heres where i could use some kickback is the 24-105 f4l IS lens which willl shoot 75% of my photos.
Next in line would be the 70-200 f4L lens.
With those lenses that will do it for me. I may settle for the tamron 17-50 f2.8 because i had it its a good lens and cheeper then the 24-105
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Trevor Warren 8 years ago
The 70-200 f4L looks like a very good value. The 50D had a kit that came with a 28-135mm that looked to be a great all around lens.
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
what i've learned is they took the same sensor from the 50d and maximized it on the 7d. Overloading the pexels on a small sensor. Talked with a professional photographer this morning he explained 5 of his buddies bought the 7d and all were purchased from Roberts and all returned. Complained of having troubles focusing and locking in on the subject. There all sports photographers... Back to square one. May get the 50d instead or the 1d mark 2n.
Just had a conversation with brian Spurlock a professional photographer here in Indy he's the one that mentioned about the 7d above. He has a 1d mark 2n for sell. Looks like thats the new runner up for 1300.00
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Trevor Warren Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Trevor Warren (admin) 8 years ago
Professional sports photographers do have unusually high hardware requirements. The few reviews I read all said the 7D was a major improvement over the 50D.

I think you know my stance well enough now. I would be happy with any of the models you've mentioned. I think a little more optimism in your ability to adjust to whatever challenges you'll encounter would ease the pressure here. Sports photography did exist before auto-focus.
brash recess [deleted] 8 years ago
ya trev i was starting to get all worked up about this. I had it set that the 7d was the camera and thats that ( THEN)
I spoke to him lol.. NOPE i'm still set on the 7d now i just need to figure out my lenses..
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Trevor Warren 8 years ago
I think the 7D is a good choice and I'll look forward to seeing the results.
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
OK time to change plans once again. Lenses make great pictures not Cameras...at least thats what i'm telling myself at this point.
I'm going to get the 50d canon. I can get it for 725.00 with only 6000 clicks. Does anyone want to drive with me to Chicago around 1130 am. monday morning...I can use the company :)
Heres the reviews on the 50d. Its a good investment. Same chip as the 7d
www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos50d/
encouraging scale [deleted] 8 years ago
here is my 2 cents lenses and cameras do not make good photos.they do help but photograpers make good images
encouraging scale [deleted] 8 years ago
oh yea one more thing if i took a photo with a 5k cannon and 1k cannon of the same thing with the same setting put them side by side could ya pick out the differance between the 2.Same goes with nikon.If you can buy the most high dollar camera you can afford.
generationD3/D810 8 years ago
Have had much success with Nikon over the years and one must spend the $$ if you want quaility equipent. Buy more than you want or need....will save you money down the road.....LOL
David, If it were me...I'd stick with Nikon. You have one already. You know how they work. You can use the one you have as a backup. Then start working on getting prime lenes. I like having a camera with my macro and one camera with my tele lens on it at all times.

Hope that helps. And like Scotty said-- "The person behind the camera makes the shots" Knowledge of lighting and how the camera works. I do believe lenes help with image sharpness.

I would think twice about switching Camera makers though! Stick with Nikon. Canon and Sony are no better.
generationD3/D810 8 years ago
scotty...i could tell the difference between the 2....LOL
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Trevor Warren 8 years ago
One of these was taken with a Canon G9 (MSRP $399) and the other with a Canon 1Ds Mk III (MSRP $3999). I'd say 99% of the population could not see a discernible difference in image quality between two 8x10's of these side by side.

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generationD3/D810 8 years ago
printed side by side...probably could
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Trevor Warren 8 years ago
Side by side I probably could too. I would look for noise in the shadows, blown highlights, etc... Everyday people look at the composition as a whole though. If you can fix some of the minor IQ issues in post and then invest the money saved into advertising, studio space, backdrops, etc.. you'll be on a much faster track to becoming a professional photographer than the person who spent everything on getting the best camera.

When your problem becomes having more business you can keep up with and you need to speed up your workflow you can justify buying a top tier camera.
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Trevor Warren Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Trevor Warren (admin) 8 years ago
To wrap up my point throughout this discussion, it's not that good equipment doesn't matter, it's that not having it isn't the roadblock to taking your photography to the next level that people think it is.

a) Manufactures want you believe it matters because they want you to keep buying new hardware every few years.
b) People who make their living using high-end gear want you to think they've got something you can't compete with.
c) Our own egos want to believe it too because then it's not our fault we're producing mediocre images, it's our crummy camera's fault.

The order of elements needed to create an image are:

1) Light (color quality, contrast, clarity)
2) Lens (depth of field, sharpness, tone)
3) Camera (metering, focusing, capturing)
4) Processing
- digital: either in-camera to JPEG or post-processing with software
- film: film type, chemicals and paper type


From a technical standpoint, if you're searching for ways to improve image quality that's the priority of things you should evaluate. It never ceases to amaze me how many camera and lens "upgrades" are the result of a lacking grasp of lighting. You'd be surprised how much a $100 point and shoot can do if you understand it's capabilities and limitations.
generationD3/D810 8 years ago
trevor said it all...practice and improve over buying the latest and greatest
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Trevor Warren Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Trevor Warren (admin) 8 years ago
And I hope you'll all participate in this weeks group assignment! It was certainly a good "gut check" for me to see where I can improve and everyone else that participated said the same.

"Back to Basics"

Last day to post your results!

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brash recess [deleted] 8 years ago
I really didn't need to change period. I just got a bug up my A..and now i'm literaly paying for it. No trip to chicago. Found the combos i wanted. Education does matter and plenty of practice as well.
I would love to stick with Nikon BUT it cost to much. So i found myself going to Canon which made vast improvements on there sensors when the 50d came out. Every lens i'm getting is Canon accept the Tamron 17-50 VR which is equivelent to the canon 17-55 f2.8.. Hopefully i'll have my money back by thursday so i can order everything...Thanks for the Good advise.
generationD3/D810 Posted 8 years ago. Edited by generationD3/D810 (member) 8 years ago
so you have no camera now....hmmmmmm
cost of Nikon is wise investment.....gotta spend a little to make a lot....LOL
brash recess [deleted] Posted 8 years ago. Edited by brash recess (member) 8 years ago
business is very poor right now. Its been that way sinse last year.
I have to make the most out of every penny...
I would love to get a nikon especially the D700 but i can't afford it in the Budget. Canon has made a major improvement with there new sensors when the 50d came out.
WHATS crazy is the Sony a850 has the same sensor as the Nikon D3X ( from what i've read) but i can't afford that one either. I have been beating my brain silly coming up with the best sinerio.. Down to 2 packages.
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both packages is the 50d canon
1st package is70-200f4L IS...Tamron 17-50 f2.8VC...Canon 60mm macro...
2rd package is Canon 24-105 f4l IS...Sigma 120-400 f4.5-5.6 OS
ALL THESE PACKAGES HAS iMAGE STABILIZER TO THEM
3RD POSSIBLE PACKAGE IS THE CANON 5D full frame sensor and the 24- 105 f4l IS that would be it but this camera is 5 years old.
I could go with the nikon d300s but the only difference is the video and a few other add ons they made.
generationD3/D810 Posted 8 years ago. Edited by generationD3/D810 (member) 8 years ago
5D....5 years old.....thought that camera came out a year ago?
sony may have made sensor ....but not the same in both...besides...processor is the key here
RGEEBLUES 8 years ago
Generation - you may have that confused with the 5D MarkII. The 5D has been out for awhile.

Shooter - if you are really wanting to go back to Canon...I would go for a used 5D with a low shutter count that has all of the Canon fixes/updates. I see them going for 1000-1300 used. Sounds like you were wanting to go full frame anyways. Then buy some nice glass. Based on the packages you listed above and the cost of each, it appears you are willing to spend $2000-3200 on equipment. I would look into a used 5D and 70-200 2.8L IS combo. Maybe throw in a 50mm 1.4 or 1.8. I would also suggest renting gear before buying. I plan on buying a 5D in the future, but I am more concerned about improving my photography skills. I am currently using Canon XT and XTI Rebel cameras with the 18-55 kit, 50 1.8, and 85 1.8 lenses. Would I like to move past the "beginner" cameras? Yes, but at this time...my focus is learning how to capture a great photo each time I click that shutter button. A photo that has a focal point, tells a story, good composition, the correct exposure, etc. (isn't this the stuff we learned in the IPC classes?). I agree with most of the comments in this thread and the thread that was deleted - gear is not everything. The person behind the camera is ultimately the one who "makes" the photo. I've seen some amazing photos from beginner DSLR and PS cameras. Don't let gear limit creativity and goals on taking great photos. Photography is like anything else in life - practice makes perfect with a little patience. A pianist does not always start with a baby grand piano to become a great musician. If they are a master at their craft...most likely they can play a cheap plastic yamaha keyboard from walmart just as well. Enough of my philosophy lesson..I hope I made a good point and that it made sense. Good luck with your choice.

-Robert
generationD3/D810 8 years ago
“ Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop. – Ansel Adams

Robert...take Ansel Adams quote and give it some thought....show me some one that gets the"shot" every time and I will show you a lier...LOL
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Indy Photo Coach 8 years ago
Great discussion everyone but let's put this baby to bed.
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