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TheOtherJohnC [deleted] 6:08am, 25 March 2007
I tend to take a lot of darker photos and they really wash out badly on the flickr pages with the white background around them.

It would be useful if we could select an alternative darker neutral background for our photo pages. The blinding white just doesn't flatter most photos that well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for the ability to put an image as the background or anything hideous and myspacey like that, just a preset darker neutral background colour we can select.
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experimien 11 years ago
There are at least 2.001.984 pages about the same question.

And I want a hell orange background with red flames, now please!
TheOtherJohnC [deleted] 11 years ago
Well if you mean 2 billion and not 2.0 that's a lot. However from what I've seen it's mostly people asking to "myspace" up their page with ridiculous background images etc. I'm looking for something else entirely different for a specific photographic related reason.
♥ shhexy corin ♥ PRO 11 years ago
TheOtherJohnC [deleted] 11 years ago
Hmm...well I was going to email the suggestion to flickr admin but then I read somewhere they prefer it posted on the forum. I'm kind of at a loss why they haven't implemented it yet after I looked at all the others that requested it. There doesn't seem to be any official replies to any of the requests that I could see in my quick skim, and now that I'm paying I really would like an "official" answer to this common request.
Dave Gorman PRO 11 years ago
If you're using firefox (which I'd recommend) there's a greasemonkey script that lets you select the background colour here:
userscripts.org/scripts/show/6934
♥ shhexy corin ♥ PRO 11 years ago
I'm kind of at a loss why they haven't implemented it yet

Either because they don't want to, or because they've been doing lots of other things that people also want.
Dave Gorman PRO 11 years ago
It might have been requested a lot... but that doesn't mean that everyone wants it. I like flickr having a consistency so that as I browse around the background remains the same from page to page.

It doesn't have to be white but I do like it to be the same and having each user select their own preference would change that.

If I have a photo that I think works better against a black background, I say as much and provide a link so that anyone who's really bothered can see the photo presented that way. It's easily done using one of fd's flickr tools: On Black

I'd rather have that than browse from a white flickr page to a black flickr page to a gray flickr page etc.
I don't like the glaring white on photo pages either, but I agree with Dave that it would be uncomfortable jumping from colour to colour. However, this would not be the case if it was a preference set by the viewer, rather than the presenter.

It should be a simple thing to implement- an option to choose white, black or charcoal backgrounds with appropriate text colour should be a simple case of switching the stylesheet in use. In the meantime I'll check out the greasemonkey script, but it would be a nice touch to have a built-in option everyone can easily use no matter what browser they use or how tech savvy they are.
jshook [deleted]
Actually it's #fefefe, one notch below pure white. I've experimented with substituting my own stylesheet, and have concluded it would be fairly difficult to alter flickr's appearance in a reasonably attractive way by substituting your own CSS.

The main stylesheet is at
l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/css/c_flickr.css.v1.706.7
but some page use another as well. Also, some styles are embedded in individual pages, and many of the small graphics that flicker uses for its GUI assume a (nearly) white page. (Why don't they use PNG transparency? I know, IE6/Win....) Just changing the page background is not practical unless you methodically change all link and text colors to preserve legibility, and at first glance, flickr is using the "inherit" property for much of this, and it's difficult to tell what assumptions are in effect about page color when these properties are traced to their source.

If there is anyone out there who enjoys hacking a .css file, it might be an interesting challenge to get a flickr with a grey or black background and with reasonably attractive and legible text and links. But you'd have to use external links to remade GUI graphic elements for a complete make-over.

And even if you did so, you would be the only person who would be seeing the restyled pages.
Omsel 11 years ago
The bright white is what makes everybody so happy at Flickr.

White is coolest and reflects max heat so all conflict bounces off into space....this is true!
Generic user here 11 years ago
I was on facebook that mentioned this exact thing. If you want to change the background color, then everyone must also. Jumping from blinding color to blinding color back to white hurts eyes
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steeev 11 years ago
theres also the greasemonkey script i wrote thats useful for changing the background, text and link colours across the whole site, called flickr shades
TheOtherJohnC [deleted]
I appreciate there might be a script out there for *me* to use but that's kinda not the point here. Actually I would be satisfied if I could just select a frame that was darker for certain photos so they would display on the page with a dark frame around them (a fairly large one). Just something to break the space between the blinding white and my darker photos.

Honestly though in what circumstances is blinding white *ever* a good background for most of the photo's here? Flicker should default to something more neutral for the entire site.

And if it's asked so often why do the flickr staff not put it in a faq somewhere with a definitive answer. This is a paid service, there should be some sort of response surely.
Dougson PRO 11 years ago
I agree that the photos don't show up as well as I'd like. I'd like the option for a grey to black background
jenfoolery PRO 11 years ago
I'd like to see this implemented as a preference by the account owner at the Set or Collection level similar to OnBlack for individual images. The default background could stay white, but at the top of the set or collection, you could add a statement that says "I recommend viewing these images on [color]" - with that being a link to change the page background to that color. You could offer a choice of standard websafe colors. The user can decide if they want to change the color or not, so any jarring later when they leave the page is something they signed up for.

I agree that letting people change the default would be jarring when browsing from user to user, and would be impossible when viewing results of searching across the whole site.
Laurent Henocque PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Laurent Henocque (member) 11 years ago
Hi, I've designed a webapp because I like black background better myself. You may like to take a look at it. There's a lot to discover, and it can be used to share streams, pools and sets.

Darckr now goes Multi Page!
Lars Pohlmann Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Lars Pohlmann (member) 11 years ago
looks very nice. i prefer dark backgrounds myself. it would be nice, though, to enable the occasional flickr-visitor to switch without too much hassle. only flickr could provide that... but i believe it has been discussed... ;)

edit: btw, when you click on a photo, it's white again. maybe you could parse the links, and direct them to a dark background as well.
_mpd_ [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by _mpd_ (member) 11 years ago
A few other links:

Flickr Background Color (Greasemonkey) --- EDIT: Dave already linked to it.

Satellite -- requires your own hosting space that can run php
tylast 11 years ago
Option for darker shades would be nice. I'm not going to make my friends install something so they can see the page the way I want them to. ;)
We all need the option to change the background color.

Atleast a BLACK background option!

Plz
werewegian PRO 11 years ago
Bumping this topic as a good example of the on black debate. However all fans of a dark background please note staff member Gino's comment in this thread.

www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/721576000442696...
Orhan Okay [deleted] 10 years ago
Please look to this work...

www.flickr.com/photos/orhanokay/1243320382/
NeilsPhotography 10 years ago
Hurry up flickr! Give us our web 1.0 right to change our background colour!!!
DMcGrew 10 years ago
I find that simply adding a black border of 10px or so helps a lot. Only bad thing is when ordering prints the border will be there. It would be pretty dang easy for flickr to give us an option to stick a black border around our images. I dont think it would require a major code overhaul. In its simplest form its just a CSS rule that tells images in a certain area to have a border.
dee_gee PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by dee_gee (member) 10 years ago
At DMGrew - I've recently been playing with the new edit function above photos (picnick) - you can create a simple black border in that which seems useful. (look under create and then frames tab). You can save it over the original image or save it separately.
DMcGrew 10 years ago
Yeah I'd rather not have to duplicate it though.. just makes my account twice as unorganized ;)
i think the ultimate compromise is 50% true gray. black is too stark and formal, but the white is nasty. most galleries do not have black walls, so neither should flickr.
TheRedDragon Posted 10 years ago. Edited by TheRedDragon (member) 10 years ago
Yes Flickr Please.. we need an option to change the white background color to something with color. I am a huge fan of black but a couple different types of colors would be great. I look at flickr many hours per day and the white just blinds me after a while. . . thanks flickr Rules !!!
Kyudos PRO 10 years ago
I can't see it happening personally. White, blue and pink are Flickr's brand, can't see them changing that in a hurry.
rosecity 10 years ago
They don't have to give up blue and pink for a black background. This is a pretty sweet mockup here: orhanokay flickr on black.




I love, love, love the simplicity of flickr, but I have to admit that a black background option makes sense from purely a photo viewing point of view. And isn't that half of what flickr is all about: viewing and sharing photos?
Wooble 10 years ago
I have to admit that a black background option makes sense from purely a photo viewing point of view.

Most gallery owners and museum curators seem to disagree with you.
-RobW- PRO 10 years ago
Heh :o)
Wooble that's why i mentioned 50% gray... i see that more often in museums and galleries than black, that's for sure.
Tatters ✾ PRO 10 years ago
You can use this "View On Black" flickr tool if you are desperate to show your photo on black.
Agree with Ripple about gray background.
-RobW- PRO 10 years ago
How about 18% grey? ;o)
benrobertsabq PRO 10 years ago
16%. Max.
TheRedDragon 10 years ago
how about the option to pick your background??
Rippie: Contra Censura! PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Rippie: Contra Censura! (member) 10 years ago
that would be myspace. most of us hope that never happens.
TheRedDragon 10 years ago
I am not saying pictures and wacky colors, but you must agree that photos on a nice gray scale or something other than white would look nice. I am in to photography and not a myspace user so I am not looking for that crap. If you look at SmugMug they have nice gallery backgrounds that enhance the photo's appearance.
Alan Rappa 10 years ago
I'm with for simple customization. As much as I like the clean look of Flickr, I wouldn't say no to the ability to change page properties for sets and collections. I suppose there could always be a user-preference to override any of it for those that would like to keep things the way they are.

Black and grey backgrounds can add simple mood elements when applied. Definitely nothing like the vomit of some user-created myspace pages, just clean, simple and Flickr :)
i'm still voting Gray. it's the ultimate neutral, and seems to work for most IRL Galleries i've been in.
-RobW- PRO 10 years ago
I like the white, but it'd be nice to have a small selection of neautral matts available for the pictures.

I'm betting this will have a lower priority than a campaign to make Paris Hilton more self centred though.
seannarae PRO 10 years ago
Should this feature be deployed, it would be a tragedy IMO if there were not also VIEW SETTINGS that override your colour customisations.

That is, via settings & configurations i make to my Flickr viewing preferences should trump any display settings you've selected for your photos.

And moreover, for such override settings` to be ON by default. Meaning, users would have to opt-in and change their view settings in order to ever see a colour-altered flickr look & feel.

opinions opinions...
TheRedDragon 10 years ago
I would agree to that.. The static white background just kills my eyes after a while.

I am just looking for a simple feature adjustment such as this:
Sample With black/gray background
lira8 [deleted] 10 years ago
i really wish Flickr would give us the option to have darker backgrounds on our pages already. all of the other sites do.. and pictures definitely look better against dark backgrounds.. why else would the slideshows switch to black backgrounds?
Walwyn PRO 10 years ago
Well its not quite so simple as switching to a black background you need to alter the text colours, and how the links appear, and the drop down menus, ...
ColleenM 10 years ago
darkr does a great job of letting you view your photos on a black background. I think there are other 3rd party apps that do the same.

Since there are some things that only Flickr can do, and some that 3rd party apps can do (photophlow, picnic, darkr, etc) I'd rather have Flickr staff working on things that no one else can put together.
funnyodd 10 years ago
I just want to put my two sense in. I also would like to simply have a medum grey or black for my background. It would seem that with so many 3rd party websites or apps being created, fliclr would want to do something as simple as this.
Walwyn does bring up the usual problem with "simple" changes, much as we'd love this... i know i would! every time you change one thing, a ton of other stuff gets "broken" in the process. for example, the timestamp on posts, in, what is that, 30% grey maybe, would probably be illegible on black or a 50% gray as i have suggested.

so, it's not always as easy as you think, and try reading blue on gray. yikes!
marco cevat [deleted] 10 years ago
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I'm one of theose who would like to change the background
color to something else than white. The forum is full of
questions about a possible option on our personal profile
to adjust the default background color to our own taste.
Any clue yet if this is planned for a future version? Would
appreciate it very much!
Cheers,
Marco Cevat
Pokho 乂 PRO 10 years ago
I vote black... or at least dark
Currently I use www.piclens.com/ to view flickr photos, but it is something of a hack to have to use third party apps in order to get the most out of flickr..
I'd rather have black too -but some images look horrible on black & look much better on white -
I vote for Grey or even a brown/beige shade - anything but white - the white is just Overkill -something darker would work for me
The white - seriously bothers my eyes sometimes (I'm blind as a bat - contact wearer )- no matter how much I adjust my monitor
ollivr 10 years ago
A long time ago I suggested something I called "lightswitch" meaning that the viewer could decide the background color. Staff replied to the thread saying that it was being worked on but not top priority. Now it really was a LONG time ago.
squishband Posted 10 years ago. Edited by squishband (member) 10 years ago
I think that the question isn't about black and white. Neither is really appropriate. 20% grey is a standard used in a large number of applications (I mean things in the real world, not computer programmes). However with 20% it's common to use a darker border for images and I really like the simplicity and borderlessness of these pages. I like the View on White / View on Black option. But...

What I just don't get is why, given the roomfuls of information on this issue, the creators of this photo site went with the white background in the first place. Perhaps they were amateurs when they started? A notion that I really love. However, I can't say that I understand why they don't just learn. "You made a mistake guys, just sort it out". Then we can all look at all the pictures in comfort and on a background that shows them in their best light.

I say Change to 30% grey now!
sohvimus PRO 10 years ago
I don't mind the white.
squish: yes, in a sense they were. flickr evolved from a game. it became it's own thing. staff have repeatedly stated that it was a learning curve for them as for everyone else, since the app hassort of taken on its own life and characteristics. honestly, and i ride flickrstaff's asses hard on some issues, but flickr do some things first, do some things better and it's astonishing to me nearly every day that the app actually works (mostly, most of the time)!

i have been suggest 50% gray because so many want it really dark (black) which even museums and most galleries refuse to do, but i also really dislike the white. however, i firmly believe that any actual "color" will destroy the site.

the degree of density of gray is going to be the debate, but i strongly feel it's the best overall, one size fits all fix for this, and it will make the most number of people satisfied. color... go to myspace. :)
gregory lee PRO 10 years ago
Here's a thought...

Why not let users decide what gray value to make their background? Nothing fancy here, just a drop down menu or a set of radio buttons that says, "White, 10% gray, 25% gray, 50% gray, 75% gray, 90% gray, Black" Done! We're talking about a single field in a database and a tiny bit of code to change which style sheet a page loads from.

I'm certain that the Flickr folks are afraid that a constantly changing background tone will destroy the "unity" of the site. It will feel more like a disjointed series of pages and not a single monolithic environment. That's a huge worry to them. Perhaps the solution I list above has been ruled out because of this?

I do know one thing, there number of threads on this topic is astounding. This has been an issue for a looong time and we don't seem to be gaining any traction on it.

Wooble 10 years ago
Why not let users decide what gray value to make their background?

The users can decide. I believe all of the major browsers support user CSS either built-in or with an extension like Stylish. Problem solved.
striatic PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by striatic (member) 10 years ago
I do know one thing, there number of threads on this topic is astounding. This has been an issue for a looong time and we don't seem to be gaining any traction on it.

good.

the logic in these threads is usually: *I* like photos on black or gray, therefore most people like photos on black or gray, therefore all flickr photos should be on black or gray.

the truth is more complicated.

for one, many users find black and gray pages austere and unwelcoming

also, while your photos 'might' look better on black or gray, your text doesn't. text on flickr is important, and black on white text is the easiest to read.

further, flickr uses lots of gray text for things less important than the black text. gray text on a gray background simply cannot be read.

finally, flickr *does* provide a black background on which you can display your photos. it's the slideshow, where there's far less text to display.

you'll never see a black or gray primary interface for flickr because black and gray is unfriendly, poor for reading text, and because a secondary interface already provides what you're asking for.
ncocco 10 years ago
I think that the stable design in flickr is one of the value in its community. Look what a mess is going on MySpace where everyone pimps his page.
Stephan P. [deleted] 10 years ago
I really don't understand why there's so much to discuss! I don't want to show images on such a bright background, to all users. So, that Firefox add-on is not an option. I'd like to choose a more neutral one, one that's not that aggressive. I thought I could do that with a Pro account. Now I ask myself whether I took the wrong choice. :(
Wooble 10 years ago
Well, if you upgraded to a Pro account because you thought it had a feature you had no reason whatsoever to expect it to have, then yes, you probably made the wrong choice. I feel your pain. When I bought my car, I assumed it could fly and fold up into the size of a briefcase. I paid more than $25 for it, and it's ridiculous for it not to have those features.
sohvimus PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by sohvimus (member) 10 years ago
Considering that in the FAQ (www.flickr.com/help/limits/#28) is clearly stated what comes with a Pro account, it is quite interesting that people think all sorts of things about the Pro account...
Stephan P. [deleted] 10 years ago
Sorry, to be more precise: I thought that the Pro stood for "professional", thus leading to a bit more flexibility regarding future features as well. This is not as digressive as your try to make me look stupid, Wooble. I upgraded for way more essential reasons.
ColleenM 10 years ago
The FAQ is pretty clear about what comes with a pro account. Flexibility regarding future features isn't mentioned.
Stephan P. [deleted] Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Stephan P. (member) 10 years ago
Providing "Flickr ideas" isn't mentioned as well, so why the effort to discuss anything at all? The point is that this is a feature desired by many of us. Probably I'd better just have said "Me too". :(
fleshmeatdoll PRO 9 years ago
i agree, black background is a needed option.
(deaf mute) 9 years ago
I think all art galleries should stop painting their walls white too. It's sooooo unflattering. :/
fleshmeatdoll PRO 9 years ago
i think artists should stop putting frames on canvases, also. It has noooo meaning at all on white gallery walls. :/
michealasparber PRO 9 years ago
I think if there were three options: white, 50% grey and black it wouldn't be too jarring moving from page to page. I understand flickr not wanting a myspace level of customization but if it wants to stay the primary photo sharing site for serious photographers it should consider this. I can't imagine it's that hard to implement.
ShellyS PRO 9 years ago
I stopped looking at photoblogs that use black backgrounds, and I switched my own photoblog from a dark purple to a light gray because after a while, the dark backgrounds make it hard for me to see the photos clearly. I much prefer the white.
ColleenM 9 years ago
michealasparber "if it wants to stay the primary photo sharing site for serious photographers "

Serious photographers have never been Flickr's main market.
www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/70129/page35/#reply434450
"we envisioned it as a better place for people to share their collections of personal photography with friends and family.

[snip]
For various reasons, a whole nother class of people also fortuitously joined the site and found it useful as away to share other kinds of photography -- documentary, artistic, esthetic minded photography. We of course had no problem with that,"
jult Posted 9 years ago. Edited by jult (member) 9 years ago
How long until you change that blinding white background on this site? It pains me to see how ugly the white rosey blue theme is. It's cold, gay-ish (or at least too feminine), way too intrusive for your images to be worth much on this site with the WHITE around them all the time.

flickr loses me as a customer because of its ugly name and layout. What a stupid move NOT to make.
I'd like a dark grey or black background and some warm colors instead.
sohvimus PRO 9 years ago
And I always thought pink was considered to be a feminine colour...
Wooble 9 years ago
I'm sure calling white "gay" will make them change it.
tj.moore 9 years ago
One of the problems I find with white in Flickr, other than it makes most photos look their worst, is that it forces people to slap on borders, and in my opinion, borders artificially make a photo more interesting and detract from the real photo.

The problem then is some people use borders, some don't. I often see the most popular photos are those with borders, and I wonder if it's the border that's attracting people more than the photo.

Now if everyone had the same border, or the site was uniformly black or grey, then all would be equal and it's easier to judge quality.

I can see it would be a problem for Flickr staff though. Rebrand the site to grey or black and millions of Flickr users will be up in arms because they can't cope with change. Offer a choice on each profile and the site becomes inconsistent, and you're back to the same problem as with borders. Offer it as a viewer choice and most will just continue on viewing your photos with the awful white background, which isn't what you intended as the photographer.
AlanS17 9 years ago
I agree that it would be nice to have a darker background for purposes of better viewing. I agree that having "myspace" style configuration would be a disaster. I also agree that jumping around from page to page with different colors would also kinda suck. So my solution?

Either make EVERY page ALWAYS black or settle on some sort of medium grey. Clicking away to a whole other site to get your picture on a black background is ridiculous.

I care less about how I see my pictures and more how other people see them. So I don't care about Firefox scripts. I want OTHER people to see my pictures on a darker background.

I'm not suggesting that the mechanics of the site should somehow be changed. It's a simple request that could be fulfilled with about 10 minutes of work and another couple hours of testing. If they wanted to do it, it would have already been done. The fact of the matter remains that it will likely never happen because the option was approached and shot down a long long time ago.

For what it's worth, I've seen people ditch their free accounts here and pay up to $100 per year elsewhere just to get a black background.
ShellyS PRO 9 years ago
I find dark borders very hard on my eyes. The photo often loses its focus for me. I tried a dark background on my photoblog for a while, but ended up switching to a light gray which I find very pleasing. I just about never click the "view on black" links. I don't like borders, either, because they distract me from the photo.

Good photos IMO work no matter what the background. It would be nice to have one's own viewing background option, in which case, I'll stick with the white, which makes it easier for me to appreciate the many wonderful photos I view.
ShellyS PRO 9 years ago
I care less about how I see my pictures and more how other people see them. So I don't care about Firefox scripts. I want OTHER people to see my pictures on a darker background.

Interesting. Even if it makes it appear to someone as a big, blurry mess? I'm really curious. Everyone's viewing experience is different. I find black backgrounds to be nice for the first few seconds, but then, everything starts to bleed together and I have to look away. I think it's more important for people to view the way they want, not the way someone else wants. I wouldn't begin to say how my pics should or would look to someone. That's their pov, not mine.

If flickr ever switched to a black background and gave no option for a white background, I'd have to find a new home for my 20,000 plus pics. If any of my contacts optioned for a black background, should there be a choice, I'd just admire the thumbs on my Contacts Photos page, or drop them as a contact. Life's too short and there's too many other great pics to look at. If someone doesn't care whether or not I can view their pics comfortably, then clearly, I'm not one of their desired contacts.

Just pointing out there's another side to this.
I've tried some of these scripts as well. What a big YUCK! I'd prefer other formatting changes like an increase in the number of Sets visible. If I really desire to modify the visual impact of an image I'll put a frame around it in Photoshop. For a few of my images that have a different shape other than a rectangle, the white background facilitates the artistic quality of that image. I suppose this debate will go on forever till the world fades to black...hee! hee! hee!
jult 9 years ago
As I wrote earlier, and I rest my case:

A white background is BAD for your eyesight, and terrible for your uploaded images. Flickr's color-scheme is THE ONLY REASON I don't have my images at flickr, the ONLY REASON I'm not a paying customer.

And I too care about how others see my images as well as how I see them in my browser (which should be the exact same for both).

I don't see one tiny problem with offering the option to choose your theme/background color per user. Hyves and MANY others can do it, so can flickr.

By the way, their name is also gay. "flickr", give us a break. How wanna-be trendy can you get?
striatic PRO 9 years ago
i'll just quote myself from earlier, since the same points keep being made again and again:

"the logic in these threads is usually: *I* like photos on black or gray, therefore most people like photos on black or gray, therefore all flickr photos should be on black or gray.

the truth is more complicated.

for one, many users find black and gray pages austere and unwelcoming

also, while your photos 'might' look better on black or gray, your text doesn't. text on flickr is important, and black on white text is the easiest to read.

further, flickr uses lots of gray text for things less important than the black text. gray text on a gray background simply cannot be read.

finally, flickr *does* provide a black background on which you can display your photos. it's the slideshow, where there's far less text to display.

you'll never see a black or gray primary interface for flickr because black and gray is unfriendly, poor for reading text, and because a secondary interface already provides what you're asking for."
striatic PRO 9 years ago
i think that what we might see the ability to "lightbox" flickr photos

which i think is what Gino refers to here:

www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/721576000442696...

"We have on our to-do list various ways to view pics on a dark background. Not a black Flickr experience, just ways to look more critically at photos on a dark background."

this makes more sense. click a link or button to see the photo on black, and perhaps larger, then revert to white to read the comments.
ShellyS PRO 9 years ago
Everyone's eyes are different. I find dark backgrounds difficult to use, especially any text on them. When I view pics on black, I lose the edges and find the whole picture rather dark and it loses some focus. A white background for me is more neutral than black and therefore, the photo comes through with clarity and rich color.

So, different strokes for different folks. I agree that a viewing option would be super, but I don't want anything that takes the white background from me, though a light gray might work.

BTW, I work with visually impaired people. Some love black backgrounds, but often because the white ones usually aren't really white (often quite dark as with newspapers) and therefore, the contrast is not good. Black with white text give them good contrast, but some prefer yellow text on black. Whereas others just like a nice, solid white background with solid black text. The viewing of photos is also purely subjective.

And I too care about how others see my images as well as how I see them in my browser (which should be the exact same for both).

I don't see one tiny problem with offering the option to choose your theme/background color per user. Hyves and MANY others can do it, so can flickr.


The option for viewing when it's up to the viewer to choose, fine. The option for presentation when the presenter chooses, not so good. I would quickly cross someone off my list of contacts if they imposed a black background on me.

Already, unless I can view photos from blogs with black or dark backgrounds via rss, I don't bother with them, because going to photoblogs with black backgrounds is so annoying to me. It's so hard to see the pics clearly.
tj.moore Posted 9 years ago. Edited by tj.moore (member) 9 years ago
For what it's worth, I've seen people ditch their free accounts here and pay up to $100 per year elsewhere just to get a black background.

Have to admit, I'm tempted to move to a professional site.

Though it's not just the background issue, it's the blatant harvesting of photos for commercial use, without asking, and ignoring your copyright indications. I know it can happen on other sites too, but Flickr photos get distributed the most. Although I have also been considering watermarking all my photos to at least retain the copyright text in the photo. Yeah, I know some people hate them. Well tough. They're my photos. My copyright! Yeah, I also know some people will strip them out. Fine, but at least it discourages casual thieves who don't notice the copyright - and I'm talking commercial companies here, not just someone who wants to use a photo for their blog.

It's a shame, as Flickr has the whole community thing which is great for exposure and feedback (by exposure I mean exhibiting your photos, not the "sharing" concept some people take to mean "free to use, copy, abuse, just because you posted it").
Kateweb 9 years ago
yeah I would like to have black and gray as options as long as we don't have music it should be all good.
Rogard's Photos 9 years ago
I would move my photo collection from pbase to flickr if I had the option of a dark or blackground.

As it is I do not like the harshness of the glaring white background even though flickr is the more popular site.
IrenicRhonda 9 years ago
I use a Greasemonkey script for my own viewing. Flickr background . On mouse hover you get a white through the greys to black slider to change the background. Something like this within Flickr would be good. I know that many photographers want to control how their photos are viewed but as a viewer I would like control over how I view.
Roofwalker PRO Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Roofwalker (member) 9 years ago
I can see there is a lot of postings about this subject in many other threads. I decided to post here because I completely agree with the title of this one, the background color is too white from the viewing experience point of view.

As a general web style the white background is clean and nice, but for the viewing of many pictures it is not the best choice. It doesn't mean that the opposite color is the best, we would be swinging from pole to pole and very probably there will be users complaining about their pictures getting impaired for the black background.

Because the viewing experience is better on a Not So White Background (NSWB), flickriver, flickrleech, smugmug and a long list of etc. show their pictures on a shade of gray. I also consider the high number of users setting dark frames to their pics, as an evidence -in some degree- they find the background too bright. I myself use black frames for that reason.

Someone said, in a ironic way, that in this line of thinking, art galleries walls should be changed to black. That is not required because the size of the exposed picture allows the viewer to fit his/her field of view to the size of the picture and the background color becomes less important. That is not possible on flicker. For example, the photostream picture size is a very small percent part of a not only white but light emitting screen (more intrusive) and you can not set your field of view with the picture occupying most part of it. At least not without greasing your screen with your nose ;-). The change of the color background is not a fancy request, is really a feature to have a better site.

My main point in this post is let's not close our focus to the black background but just to a not so bright one. As example, in Lightroom you can set it to white, (light | medium | dark) gray and finally black. Maybe Flickr would start lowering the whiteness of the background one or two notches, and as the next step, give the choice to the viewer or the exposer to change that default to one or two options of gray levels. If there should be options for total black or even green emerald (which of course would be terrible), is just another topic. Before to talk about that, we should stand together showing to Flickr there is critical mass of users asking for a NSWB. Otherwise, we will stay dispersed in the never ending subject "black or not black?".

I want to underline this matter doesn't mean a labor intensive job, I mean it doesn't implies the technical rebuilding of the site. It is just the setting of colors in style sheets in an harmonic way. It is much, much more a design decision than a technically complicated task.

The background color subject is just part of the user interface experience, and talking about that, take a look to this flickr interface. Even when it doesn't have a very well chosen or friendly name is a great and funny way to access your account in flicker allowing you to do all what you can do in your browser but in the coolest way I've ever seen. And guess what? it has a NSWB. Just try it, it is free and safe, at least at the level I have tested. By the way I'm not related in any way to that development or author.
Sam Haque Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Sam Haque (member) 9 years ago
OnBlack was made because this WHITE is too much for that little picture.

Unless the large size is accessible the pictures are too small against the big white page, even at 1024x768 window size. Very un-ideal. We need a gray for the background. It will also make the site look classy.

Well said RoofWalker. Exactly how I would explain it if I could.
afgsdfgsdfhdsghyrtui78467235 [deleted] 9 years ago
If Flickr ever allows anyone to force me to view stuff on a black background, or any color that's dark enough to necessitate light colored text, I will probably have to leave.

Reason: eyestrain.

Light colored text on a black background....it's just painful after a while.

As for gray:

The problem with most shades of gray is that they are BUTT UGLY. Seriously--if you want the entire Flickr site to look like crap, then I recommend a gray background.

What do I think would work?

A slightly darker white than what we have now, but light enough so that it still could conceivably be considered "white". But just barely.
-RobW- PRO 9 years ago
"I want to underline this matter doesn't mean a labor intensive job, I mean it doesn't implies the technical rebuilding of the site. It is just the setting of colors in style sheets in an harmonic way. It is much, much more a design decision than a technically complicated task"

Yes, because changing the site background colour has absolutely no knock on effects on any other design elements.

Everyone knows colours exist in isolation, and aren't affected by their neighbours.

I note that in your example link, the text is in black on white. For readability.

Maybe the top half of the site where the image is could be dark grey, and the bottom half, where the text is, in white.

That'd be attractive.
OJosef [deleted] 9 years ago
Exactly.

All text could be put in white background boxes so that the text can remain black and readable. Then, the main body of the page where the photography is showing could be any shade of grey. I dont think anyone would want a pink or green background. Just giving us a couple of options of shades of grey would be well enough.

Any serious photographer would love to have 50% grey as background.
OJosef [deleted] 9 years ago
I wonder how much more will we have to write about this for them to listen to us.
ColleenM 9 years ago
Since "serious photographers" are not Flickr's main customer, it may take a long, long time before that is a persuasive argument.
sohvimus PRO 9 years ago
Any serious photographer would love to have 50% grey as background.

Good to know that I'm a funny photographer.
Patrick Costello PRO 9 years ago
If you were agreeing with RobW's post, you seriously need to learn to recognise irony. Or is it sarcasm - I always get those two confused :-)
sohvimus PRO 9 years ago
Patrick, Cambridge Dictionaries Online says the following:

sarcasm
noun [U]
the use of remarks which clearly mean the opposite of what they say, and which are made in order to hurt someone's feelings or to criticize something in an amusing way:
"You have been working hard, " he said with heavy sarcasm, as he looked at the empty page.


And...

irony (FIGURATIVE SPEECH)
noun [U]
a means of expression which suggests a different, usually humorous or angry, meaning for the words used:
Her voice heavy with irony, Simone said, "We're so pleased you were able to stay so long." (= Her voice made it obvious they were not pleased).


So I reckon RobW was sarcastic. :-)
Ozone71 9 years ago
@Flex - 50% Grey? or 18% Grey
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