rockpowered PRO 2:11pm, 17 March 2016
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Alex Luyckx PRO 2 years ago
Already have an order for a brick in :D
fanatical approval [deleted] 2 years ago
I don't shoot that much 400 speed film, but I'm rooting for all y'all. The test shots look a lot like the first few rolls of Agfa film I shot, maybe 15 years ago. While I don't really want a brick, I'll be looking forward to picking up a few rolls when it's available.
rockpowered PRO 2 years ago
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It's Agfa rebranded same as the Rollei Retro 400. I prefer the Retro80s myself.
CGW1208 Posted 2 years ago. Edited by CGW1208 (member) 2 years ago
Buy fresh. Buying this dead stock stuff does nothing for the future of film.
andreshidalgo 2 years ago
CGW1208:
specially when its more expensive than fresh stuff!
WoolyJacket 2 years ago
According to the link:

"Now, I couldn’t have a completely new emulsion made, so I decided to go with an old discontinued surveillance film that was original made by AGFA, and have it put back into production. And thus JCH StreetPan was born! So this is a re-born film, not a re-spooled film that is still being sold. This is also not an ‘old stock’ film or a ‘pancake’ that was kicking around a ‘dusty warehouse’. This is a freshly produced emulsion with an expiry date of 2020. The film was no longer being produced and I had it put back into production. And for the record, this is not re-spooled Rollei Retro 400s."


I like B&W 400, so I would buy a couple rolls, but not a brick... it's just too expensive.
fanatical approval [deleted] 2 years ago
rockpowered:
It could be rebranded 400s. JCH's claims are to the contrary of that, but who knows what's really being spooled for our pleasure. FWIW, the test shots don't really look much like Retro 400s.

I like Retro 80s! It's one of my go-to films. Upside is its extended red sensitivity; downside it its significantly reduced blue sensitivity. That makes it great for some thing, but not so good for others.
rockpowered PRO 2 years ago
Technically it's not respooled anything if he's ordering production direct. Time will tell what he has. When you use a tech sheet that is verbatim to a stock that's currently on the market one invites speculation.

and yes Retro80s is awesome especially in Vintage cameras
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Alex Luyckx PRO 2 years ago
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I don't think it's Retro 400s even respooled, because Retro 400s is not on a Polyester base like the Streetpan 400 is. As for the film stock, I was reading and re-reading the entry and I did some checking online an Agfa does have a Polyester based surveillance film on their product list. So I think this is a reuse of that film stock that wasn't a) generally available to the public and b) about to be discontinued and JCH 'saved' it.

Either way, I'm excited, I'm looking forward to it, and if it puts another film back on the market I class this as 'buying fresh' not buying a dead stock.
fanatical approval [deleted] Posted 2 years ago. Edited by fanatical approval (member) 1 year ago
.:Axle:.:
You mean Aviphot Pan 400S? Yeah, that's Rollei Retro 400s. If Agfa Gevaert has actually stopped making Aviphot 400s, I wonder if Rollei will have to discontinue that line... (> <)

(FWIW, the 's' in Retro 400s is for synthetic, i.e., polyester.)

edit: it looks like the Aviphot Pan 400s 0.1 mm PET base is listed as discontinued, while the 0.06mm base is not. I don't know which one of the base thicknesses was used for the Rollei branded film.


Open mouth, insert foot. Aviphot Pan 200 is rebranded as Rollei Superpan 200, Retro 400s, and the word is IR 400. So, Aviphot 400s would be something different, presumably now Streetpan 400(?).
CGW1208 2 years ago
.:Axle:.:

If it's out of production, it's dead stock, bro. Buy fresh and buy often.
A Simple Tom 2 years ago
CGW1208: Don't bro humans you don't know, little homie.
CGW1208 Posted 2 years ago. Edited by CGW1208 (member) 2 years ago
A Simple Tom:

Whatever. Humans? Really? Here?
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Alex Luyckx PRO 2 years ago
I'm impressed.

TFSM - Summer '16

TFSM - Summer '16

TFSM - Summer '16

TFSM - Summer '16

Nikon F5/105 f/2D/JCH Streetpan 400/HC-110 B
Mendocinos_Villain 2 years ago
it looks pretty good, thanks for sharing the sample images. personally, i think hp5 looks quite a bit better for quite a bit less money.
CGW1208 2 years ago
Prefer Kodak TMY-2 any day. No fan of respools that do little or nothing to keep Kodak aware of demand.
fanatical approval [deleted] 2 years ago
CGW1208:

Me thinks you're being a bit too negative: If JCH is enough to push Alaris over the edge, they were doomed anyway. And on the plus side, based on the development times, it's unlikely to be Retro 400S, which means Bellamy's brags about it being a discontinued stock reborn (and not just a rebadge) have more credence.

Whether or not it's a good film is dependent on personal tastes, but having another stock to choose from is always a plus for consumers.
CGW1208 2 years ago
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Negative? Try realistic. I'll be long down the road from film if stuff like JCH's is all that's left.
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Alex Luyckx PRO 2 years ago
Next up, some Streetpan in Xtol, not bad, a little soft on the edges.

The Brush Past

Still have to run it through Ilfosol 3, Perceptol and Rodinal!
John Edward 2 years ago
Awesome news!
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
Perceptol, Okay but not a fav with the film.
TFSM - Fall '16

Ilfosol 3, nothing really special here.
Ending the Day

Another great pairing is Rodinal
Heather
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
My final say on Streetpan...and my new brick is due to arrive this week!

www.alexluyckx.com/blog/2017/01/film-review-japan-camera-...
CGW1208 1 year ago
TMY-2 any day. Buy Kodak, Ilford or Fuji if you're really interested in keeping film afloat.
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
.:Axle:., That was interesting to read, thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. I shot two rolls over the holidays, and I've decided to use HC-110 to develop them based on your photos. The look of the film really reminds me of Rollei Retro 80s, especially with the darker shadows. I wonder if this film also has a weak response to blue light compared to other films.
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
CGW1208, Agfa Gevaert remains a pretty significant maker of film. I think they are more deserving than Fuji on your list, given that they don't even make a 400 ISO b/w film. Plus, Kodak's has been shooting themselves in the foot by squeezing as much of the silver as possible out of their films. I've never been a fan of TMY and the latest iteration of TX-400 looks less good to my eye. It's not a one-way street of "let's rally behind KoFujIl." They still have to keep working to appeal to us as well.
CGW1208 1 year ago
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Bigger is better and I remain skeptical of Agfa's basement-clearing sell-off of dead stock/repurposed film materials to resellers with more marketing flair. We're all part of a small, residual market and should be grateful for whatever lands in our bowls but Bellamy's Streetpan pitch strains credulity. Agfa will take the piss with film customers long before Kodak and Fuji.
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
CGW1208:
Bellamy's Streetpan pitch strains credulity. Agfa will take the piss with film customers long before Kodak and Fuji.


I'm not in disagreement about the Streetpan pitch, but qualitative evidence strongly suggests it's not an otherwise available emulsion. In short, it means Bellamy's claims are panning out. As far as Agfa goes, if their film sells, they keep making it. I am a big fan of Retro 80s, and would be bereft if it went away because film enthusiasts put their money behind Kodak or Ilford films that they didn't particularly care for.
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
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Glad to have helped! Yes, HC-110 was my favourite developer with the film and the stuff I shoot in NYC in April will all be souped in that. For the wedding in August, I might go with the 1+50 dilution of Rodinal to see what I can see! And you're right on point with it being like Retro 80s, another favourite film of mine, I have five rolls of it in 120 waiting to be shot.
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
A few thoughts and examples from the two rolls I bought at the end of last year. It has a pleasing grain developed in HC-110 (B), it's neither too fine or too intrusive. Nice sharpness too, in that sense it reminds of of Rollei Retro 80s in the same developer. Though, I think a slightly longer developing time might be good. I used 5 min, but thought the negatives were a little thin, so maybe I'll try 5:30 next time. I don't think it has a much reduced blue sensitivity compared to other panchromatic films, like Retro 80s. At any rate, using a red filter with normal exposure compensation was fine.

If I had to choose based on these two rolls. I would choose Streetpan over Retro 400S, TMY400 and Delta 400. I am kind of liking HP5+, and under certain circumstances, TX400, but I might add this to the mix to get some variation. I only wish it was available in 120 rolls.

JCH Streetpan 400 test (3)

JCH Streetpan 400 test (2)

JCH Streetpan 400 test (1)

JCH Streetpan 400 test (4)
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
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These look good!
thereisnocat PRO 1 year ago
.:Axle:.:

I shot a roll at the local instance of the protests last week and developed it in 1+50 Rodinal. Some examples:

I AM NOT a Pre-existing Condition

Feminist AF

Not Because I Am A Woman
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
thereisnocat:

Oh wow! I'm totally going to do this next! Also TMax developer does a good job from what I've seen!
Michael Bartosek PRO 1 year ago
I can't see any reasonable line of evidence or motive that would suggest JCH is being dishonest about the film stock. So I'm going to assume it is new stock of an old formulation as he claims and keep sending him my money.

I shot a couple of rolls in Vietnam recently using a Canon EOS1n with a Canon 28mm f/2.8, sometimes with a 25A and sometimes without, I didn't take notes and had the film developed at the darkroom.com . The images are certainly more compressed tonally that what I'm used to (normally shooting HP5+ developed in rodinal at 1+100 stand). I know it's not a fair comparison, but it's just an initial thought. I think it's reasonably sharp and enjoy the contrast in most of the images, even if I found overall the shadows to be pretty damn dark!

Next roll - I'll shoot each shot with and without a 25A and see how it compares. Still I think this film could become a favorite of mine and so far, it has a pretty distinct look, if the only roll I had developed is any indication.

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fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
Evidently, Streetpan 400 can be pushed to 800 without any issue. I shot the film at 800 and developed in HC-110 (B) for 8 min at 20 °C. This is the only shot I've uploaded, but density and grain of the other photos on that roll look reasonably good.

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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
ASA-800 looks fantastic! I'll have to give that a shot also!
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
.:Axle:.:

I should try to come up with a time for DD-X. I'll bet it would look really good in that.
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
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Start with 1+4 and do 8 minutes.
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
.:Axle:.:
That's for 400?
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Alex Luyckx PRO 1 year ago
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Yep!
fanatical approval [deleted] 1 year ago
.:Axle:.:

Okidoki. Thanks.
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