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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

because some criticized, that I've invited images with animals or dead objects - let's start a topic "NOT very much related to EXISTENTIALISM"
- maybe we will have here interesting discussions; we (all moderators) could discuss here some pics, which are far away from representing the topic EXISTENTIALISM; to apologize: though I've read Kierkegaard and Kafka, Sartre and Camus, Heidegger and Nietzsche: I am still silly enough to believe, animals could realize that stylish EXISTENTIALISM-feeling ... - tell me, if you don't think so ... (by the way I also read Konrad Lorenz, a scientist, trying to understand the mind of animals...)
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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Our Dunvegan seal walk
sometimes I feel like a motherless child - this old gospel song will never leave my mind (I started my life in an orphanage 1945) - but maybe this satisfied guy, not hungry, cannot give that message .... - maybe ben visbeek, amsterdam, who made this shot, should ask him?
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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Hullo!
sometimes I feel, I am too small to come through - but nevertheless I am trying - maybe this macro-photo is not related to that optimism, maybe small insects do not have any will to survive, nevertheless if big or not - but this photo started this philosophical mood - wrong choice, to invite? Greece, that starting point of European philosophy - maybe even small animals are proud to live in the land of Socrates and Epicurus, Platon and Homeros? shot was made (and ironically titled) by: macropoulos / Stavros Markopoulos, Heraklion, Crete, Greece
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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Tracks
oh my God, I'm aged now 65, and it has been a long, long way;
I don`t know, if I've left some tracks, if someone is interested
on what I've learned in my lifetime ... - maybe this photo is not
a motivation to inspire thoughts of this quality? shot was taken
by Shuggie!! / Karl Williams, U.K., near Glasgow... - and I am
very glad, that I found his artwork via Flickrfox - and I'm sure,
that the French existentialist Henri Bergson (one of my favorite
philosophers) would have understood my choice ....
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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Honeymooners
many of us are married - and maybe you agree, if I say, that colors our life in a certain way; we would be other persons with other partners; maybe cat + dog do not know anything about this topic? (shot was done as the first one of my just bought new digital camera after the analog minolta was broken as I struggled on the street; I thought, this photo was a good shot to start a new personal area of photography)
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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7 Of 54000
to exist is very often the capability to leave something behind; the courage to escape from what we have been fenced in; this photo of my friend rohaberl, Berlin, is deep in my heart; not only, because my mother (on the isle Rügen, Baltic Sea, 40 years behind the Iron Curtain) loved cranes, storks, goose + herons so much, adoring that they could leave the country, ignoring walls, soldiers, laws ...
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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J U S T B O R N- Foal
to care for each other or not - nihilism or the dignity of taking responsibility - is one of the most serious discussions in the history of the philosophy of existentialism - from Heidegger to Camus and so on - why not visualize this topic with an image, featuring animals?
shot was made by Nagcharan M
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

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La hora de colación se respeta - Valparaiso
coalition or not coalition, that's the question - maybe an animal version of that old famous Shakespeare question - also something to consider for all members of parliaments in the world - and for philosophers too: should I make my way like a lonesome cowboy - or should I join sometimes with others? snap shot was made in Valparaiso by Rodrigo Basaure, Santiago, Chile
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B℮n is a group moderator B℮n says:

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When I am around wildlife .. I feel alive.. I exist!
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

thanks Ben for your feedback - I think one of your latest uploads to flickr demonstrates that very well:
Tailing the unique Irrawaddy dolphins
of course we can't exactly know, what dolphins or seagulls are feeling, but at least we can try to grab a fragment of their life, being close to them ...
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

Honeymooners
P.S.:
EXISTENTialism is a philosophical term and is related to human feelings of being thrown into the world (for a certain time - maybe without any god to care for us); surely not a consciousness of an animal; therefore I've been criticized by some members, because I've invited pictures with animals; on the one hand: maybe you start to believe, that animals have a soul too - or, on the other hand: take those images as a metaphor, describing ironically human circumstances - like this too honeymooners, big dog and small kitty ...
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

courage - not only a human cluster of behavior...
HARRY, the traveler dog
name of the dog: Harry, nickname: the pirate
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All mankind is divided into three classes:
those that are immovable,
those that are movable,
and those that move.
- Benjamin Franklin(1706-1790)
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

a good quotation (found by NA):
EXISTENTIALISM: The doctrine that man forms his essence in the course of the life resulting from his personal choices. An emphasis upon man’s creating his own nature as well as the importance of personal freedom, decision, and commitment.
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frizz-comment:
beside that, on a higher level of irony (read Kierkegaard), one could understand the metaphorical sublime jokes I am producing, if I put animal photos in our group - I think, those photos can help, to understand the human duties, resulting from the philosophy of EXISTENTIALISM ...
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

on: HOW TO CARE FOR A PASHA...
two of us
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

Existentialism -- A philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the individual experience in a hostile or indifferent universe, regards human existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and responsibility for the consequences of one's acts.

A modern philosophical movement stressing the importance of personal experience and responsibility and the demands that they make on the individual, who is seen as a free agent in a deterministic and seemingly meaningless universe

The doctrine that man forms his essence in the course of the life resulting from his personal choices. An emphasis upon man’s creating his own nature as well as the importance of personal freedom, decision, and commitment.

from: www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=existentialism

I would not call Tarzan, leaving in and within nature an Existentialist. The mere fact that all animals exist and survive does not mean Existentialist. But if Tarzan would live in the heart of Paris and want to maintain his life style and believes, I would.

For me, an Existentialist has to posses some mental or emotional determination, to choose and live true to his own feelings, with respect and at the same time disregard to the masses. An individual who strives for the essential and emerse in the moment.

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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

cats do not know anything on EXISTentialism?
clothes-basket with cat
the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer (an early developer of Existentialism) said, that we easily could write down a ranking list of the moral and ethic quality level of a nation, if we only would compare the capability to understand animals and to treat them with respect ...
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

I've seen people and nations treating animals, pets, much better than people, especially people not from their country.
Many, no one country has an exclusive on this.

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mezze says:

I see no difference between animals (that mainly if not allways exist) and breast&buttocks (that mainly if not allways pose): both don't meet the definitions as quoted by NaPix.
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

its a good point. Are you talking about the cheerleaders?

As for the annimals, this is Frizz idea.



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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

yes, NaPix, because I like the humor, how animals are commenting albert camus' essay THE MYTH OF SISYPHUS - it is not necessary, that stones always run down the hill again - if you only have the right karma, you are able to stop this ...
the brother . . .
photo by billbalance
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

i agree that image has representation, not to mention Johnathan, our favorit existentialist. But there are too many common annimal images in the group without 'feelings' or a measage.

We need to atrive for Image excellence.


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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

maybe we should search not for common animal photography, but for those which have a metaphorical relation to the topic EXISTENTIALISM; the same with human portraits; sometimes not easy to decide, if the models have that necessary consciousness! cheerleaders maybe never, I have to admit. but, if one can, should read the latest essay in TIME magazin (August 16, 2010, Time Europe) with the title:
WHAT ANIMALS THINK - of course many of them are part of our meals - dogs and cats not in Europe - because we say, they do not have feelings; I think, they have the feelings of fear and pain, of fenced in, though longing for space - etc. - it is our choice (and of the surrounding cultural box) - if we are able to understand this ...
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

thanks to NaPix, who sent a link to that TIME magazine efforts :-)
www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/05/time-magazine-runs-same...
it seems, that the huffingtonpost does not like the trials of TIME magazine, to discuss animals rights; at least in the USA civil rights (for colored people) have been discussed (with a little step coming forward) - and women's liberation was maybe realized better than in other nations;
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

maybe some of you have the time to google to Yann Arthus-Bertrand, a French aerial photographer who accompanied with his light airplane geese and other birds while flying round the globe ... some of us, mostly photographers, not scientists, are discovering the SOUL of animals; scientists, proofing if a cat is able to distinguish the number four from the number three (or discovering, that a crow can use tools) are not able to realize, that animals have the capability to think, decide, feel; again: more than scientists and philosophers people with cameras are telling us interesting things about animals. therefore more than on the science of anthropology I am often interested on animal-pics ...
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mezze says:

@ Na-pix: 'Are you talking about the cheerleaders?'.
Not persé. I thought about it while browsing the contests. Wheater or not invited, there's a lot of female posing there. That has nothing to do with 'grab your own life, design it, be responsible for it'. One photo illustrates imo how posing can be honest and very personal:

It's in contest 15. You should take a long look. It tells many stories.

My point was: if obvious posing, done to arouse feelings, is shared under 'existentialism', then why object to shots of bare-being animals that arouse feelings too? Different feeling, for sure :-)
-- oh, and: you are right about the treatment of house-pets versus 'strange' people. That is disgusting if it's or-or. But I could reply with the treatment of women by men, in many countries, and I don't do that. That's another subject.
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

mezze -- i agree with you description of images that should not be here. Also like your example. i faved it :)

Frizz -- i agree with images that should represent some feelings.

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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

O.K., NaPix + mezze,
my admins from Vietnam / Canada to the Netherlands,
no women, no pets,
no sex, no animals without consciousness -
only the dignity of human being in my shot,
taken at Starbucks in New York, Soho -
Café Blues
nevertheless I will try to feature the feeling of a certain SADNESS
in women portraits or some images with animals,
because I think sadness is a moment, we reflect life ...
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remember some artworks of our contest winners:
Asymmetric cats+Noir comme...
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

sounds ok to me...
but why no sex?, if it represents Existentialism, its ok by me. Maybe no Sex, but sexy as a feeling.



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mezze says:

no women as pets !
:-)
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

+ no pets as women ...
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LH2O_LA is a group moderator LH2O_LA says:

How about women and pets?!
"La civiltà dell'uomo si misura con la comprensione che ha per i gatti." George Bernard Shaw.
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NaPix -- (Time out) is a group administrator NaPix -- (Time out) says:

:))

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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

no bigamie,
because the punishment
in heaven will be
(as said by Ambrose Bierce):
TRIGAMIE!
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

though this is not a human being but an animal
some of us like to eat (me too)
we feel nevertheless, that the attitude
is a little bit near to human attitudes
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comment by will wilson:
More king than father, perhaps ...
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comment by bottleredhead:
He appears to have something important to say.
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Red Deer father
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

he seems to be something like a CHURCHILL character between all those common birds ...
A sentinel Alpine Chough on the lookout
title="A sentinel Alpine Chough on the lookout"
by B℮n Visbeek, Amsterdam
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

title="Lovers?" no childhood friends
by mochida1970
Lovers?
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My Baby Mia says:

Existentialism is a term applied to the work of a number of 19th- and 20th-century philosophers who, despite profound doctrinal differences, generally held that the focus of philosophical thought should be to deal with the conditions of existence of the individual person and his or her emotions, actions, responsibilities, and thoughts.

One of Definition for a term of Existentialism by "Wikipedia".

Philosophers:
19th sen
Søren Kierkegaard,
Friedrich Nietzsche
20th sen
Martin Heidegger,
Jean-Paul Sartre,
Simone de Beauvoir,
Albert Camus,
Fyodor Dostoyevsky and
Franz Kafka.

Art:
Film:
some of well-known regisers [directors]:
Ingmar Bergman, François Truffaut, Jean-Luc Godard, Michelangelo Antonioni, Akira Kurosawa, Stanley Kubrick, Andrei Tarkovsky, Hideaki Anno, Woody Allen,
David Lynch.

Photography, fine art etc.....
Bacon, Francis
Ciaccia, Jillian Elisabetta
de Vries, Gilbert
Fautrier, Jean
Freud, Lucian
Giacometti, Alberto
Gruber, Francis
Richier, Germaine
Velde, Bram van
Yukihiro, Iwakawa
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Didi van Frits is a group administrator Didi van Frits says:

my article
flickrcomments.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/existentialism/
and the photo by BEN VISBEEK, Amsterdam:
A sentinel Alpine Chough on the lookout
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1D110 is a group administrator 1D110 says:

LA DEUXIÈME RAISON POUR LA QUELLE LES VACHES SUISSE ONT DU BON LAIT .
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Mubeen Mughal says:

IMG_8634

Book: African Genesis
Author: Robert Ardrey ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ardrey )
About: Animals and their behaviour and their societies
In Google Books: books.google.ca/books?id=B2rh1jSoIe4C&pg=PA386&lp...

Should we include Primates and mammals, and birds but not reptiles and insects, and trees, and flowers?

I think existentialism presupposes 'consciousness' and therefore thought due to a brain. Plants, weeds, bacteria, organisms all have life and often defense mechanisms to safeguard their own life and to ensure their own survival, or existence, if you like to call it that.

We know too little about life, and the origin of life, and philosophers, scientists, learned men, teachers, scholars, scientists, priests, and other men and women, and parents, and seekers, and seers have come up with various theories to substantiate and explain the origin and purpose of life, or existence, if you like to call it that.

Now, do we need to look at existence at an organic, cellular, molecular, particle, electromagnetic, crystalline, matter level? Why does anything exist? Does Matter matter? Why is a Rose a rose?

Also, not being able to express oneself and also not being free is worse than death.
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picturesbypriyesh says:

existentialism is in its interpretation and in the response it generates, i think the pics you have shown , exemplify that beautifully.
i personally see them as suited to the topic.
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Corrie Brookhouse (ADORNMENT PHOTOGRAPHY) is a group moderator Corrie Brookhouse (ADORNMENT PHOTOGRAPHY) says:

Beauty
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jonathan charles photo says:

We can have two valid reasons for posting images to this group:

- either the image represents some conscious being experiencing the feelings in response to their situation

- or the image provokes such feelings in the viewer.

Although it is arguable whether most animals are conscious in the reflective sense they are often able to portray ideas as we generally share a degree of anthropomorphic imagination (as evidenced by the popularity of Walt Disney cartoons etc.) so I think some animal pics can work well - or even plants:

Sunflower field by jonathan charles photo

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