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Why does EOL require creative commons licenses for all its content?

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

If you want to contribute your images to the Encyclopedia of Life, you must use one of the following licenses:

Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial Creative Commons
Attribution Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons

See Changing Licenses for instructions on how to apply these licenses to your photos.

Why does EOL require creative commons licenses for all its content?

This question has come up several times in this group's discussions and elsewhere. Many people would gladly make their images available to EOL but hesitate to release their work for use by others. So why did EOL adopt this policy when we would surely have many more image contributors if we accepted images licensed exclusively to us?

Building a web site with rich species pages is only one of the objectives of EOL. Another important aspect of our work is assembling a high quality collection that can be distributed, modified, and expanded by other people and projects. This reusability with clear licensing terms greatly increases the value of EOL content for the biodiversity research and outreach community.

In order to participate in this effort, EOL contributors do not have to relinquish all of their rights. They can release their images for non-commercial use only, so people who want to use them for commercial purposes will still have to negotiate a licensing fee. Also, they can apply the creative commons license to a lower resolution version while keeping all rights reserved for the full-sized image.

Most non-professionals give up very little in economic terms when releasing their images under a creative commons license but gain a lot by participating in the biodiversity commons. I understand that many people would prefer to be asked when somebody wants to use their images. However, the downside of the All-Rights-Reserved/Permission-Granted-Liberally model is that project staff and volunteers will spend endless hours writing permission requests and negotiating terms of use. This approach simply does not scale for biodiversity projects that need thousands of images to support their mission but are sorely strapped for resources. The willingness of the Flickr community to provide high quality images of organisms with few strings attached goes a long way in supporting many creative efforts to increase appreciation and understanding of biological diversity.
Originally posted at 8:36PM, 14 March 2011 PST (permalink)
treegrow edited this topic 29 months ago.

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mgjefferies says:

Hear, hear!
48 months ago (permalink)

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Valter Jacinto | Portugal says:

My pictures are used FREE by everyone:

Baton-azul ou Botão-azul // Sheep's Scabious (Jasione montana)

The Garden Geek said:
Thank you for sharing this under the creative commons license. I have used it on a free webpage that gives information on care and cultivation for this plant and have attributed the work to you. www.thegardengeeks.com
46 months ago (permalink)

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

Congratulations!
46 months ago (permalink)

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Arthur Chapman is a group moderator Arthur Chapman says:

I agree with Treegrow.

My images are used in many sites for the furtherance of science and biodiversity - EOL being just one of those sites. Most people are very good in contacting you if they want to use them for commercial uses, and even many for non-commercial uses. One can then negotiate conditions of use etc. with those users. I have yet to find a site that has used the images in contradiction of the licence.

I have thousands of photographs. Until things like Flickr and EOL came along, they sat on my hard drive or in cupboards - rarely looked at - even by me. Now they are looked at and used by many and I get feed back on identifications, and comments that make me feel that it is all worth while. With over 700,000 hits in just under two and a half years - it shows me that they are a valuable resource. I am just grateful that people find them useful.
46 months ago (permalink)

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Valter Jacinto | Portugal says:

Because EOL requires creative commons license several sites like www.thegardengeeks.com are using my photos for FREE:

Manjerico // Bush Basil (Ocimum minimum)

Thank you for publishing your photo under the creative commons license. We have used your photo on a webpage that gives care instructions and descriptions for this plant. We have been sure to attribute the image to you. Thanks again, The Garden Geeks.
46 months ago (permalink)

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BlueRidgeKitties says:

So what's your point? That this is in "violation" to the note in your photo descriptions that says "© Copyright. You cannot use! Only Encyclopedia of Life (EOL)"? You can't really put a CC license on your pictures and take it away again in the image description by specifying that it only applies to a certain user. What you would need for that is the "All-Rights-Reserved/Permission-Granted" model that EOL specifically does not want.
46 months ago (permalink)

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Sciadopitys is a group administrator Sciadopitys says:

Yep, if one uses a Creative Commons license, one has to accept that anyone can use the image under the terms of that license, without restriction - that is the whole point of EOL using CC licenses, so that EOL users can make further use of them under the terms of the license.

A different matter if they have breached any of the terms of the license (e.g. not citing the image owner, or using a non-commercial (-nc) license commercially).
46 months ago (permalink)

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Valter Jacinto | Portugal says:

treegrow said that:

"So why did EOL adopt this policy when we would surely have many more image contributors if we accepted images licensed exclusively to us? "

If you have more image contributors with "All Rights Reserved" why do you require Creative Commons?

Why do you want to distribute, modify, and expand free photos that belong to flickr photographers to other people and projects?

I think it's time to EOL respect flickr photographers and accept photos with "All Rights Reserved".
41 months ago (permalink)

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«Gaurav» says:

What about images with "No known copyright restrictions", such as www.flickr.com/photos/national_library_of_australia_commo...?
40 months ago (permalink)

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cyanocorax is a group administrator cyanocorax says:

Gaurav, they should be okay but we might have to check to be sure that the harvest script is set to take them.
40 months ago (permalink)

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Arthur Chapman is a group moderator Arthur Chapman says:

Valter - you a free to make your images available to EOL under a Creative Commons - non commercial license (whereby others can use as well) or not as you decide. EOL has made a very considered and I believe, wise decision to accept only Creative Commons licensed photographs so that they can be used for scientific use, etc. EOL is not just a place to display people's photographs, it is a science-based project of international repute and importance to the biological as well as other communities around the world. Images are just one small part of the project.

If you are unhappy with the rules applied by EOL, then you are at liberty to not make your images so available. There are other sites you can link your photographs to if you wish that may have different rules. It has noything to do with EOL not respecting photographers.

You have many fine photographs, and I know that EOL (and the biodiversity community) appreciates having those to use. However, EOL has made its rules for specific and well-considered reasons and it is virtually impossible to make exceptions for individuals. Please keep up the good work, and I hope you will consider to make your excellent images available for use.

BTW, I am not a staff member of the EOL and make these comments as a fellow photograpgher.
40 months ago (permalink)

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mgjefferies says:

I concur with Arthur's comments; you are under no compulsion to contribute, sad as your non-contribution would be. I contribute as I think it a worthwhile project and so I comply with the rules as I would for any other organisation I belong to.
40 months ago (permalink)

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BlueRidgeKitties says:

From the standpoint of a "user" looking for images to use in class for teaching materials, I'm very glad that EOL is all creative commons. Prepping lectures takes enough of my time already and I often add some more pictures last minute right before class. Asking for permission for every one is simply not practical.
40 months ago (permalink)

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

Actually, you don't need permission or a creative commons license if you just want to use images in the classroom. This kind of use is protected under the fair use doctrine. However, if you want to share your classroom presentations online, or if you want to create a class web site, it's a different story. For these kinds of uses, the creative commons images collected by EOL are an invaluable resource.
Originally posted 40 months ago. (permalink)
treegrow edited this topic 40 months ago.

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BlueRidgeKitties says:

Oh I know, but I do put my powerpoints and study guides up on a class website so the students can download them.
40 months ago (permalink)

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Wontolla65 says:

I am totally unfamiliar with licenses. Do I have to do something for that matter, or is it so that adding my pictures to EOL they automatically are conform those licenses.

Please enlighten me in that matter.

Since I have some 65000 photo's on Flickr.com I am aware that some people want to use my pictures. As long as they not MISuse them I always give permission when asked and accept it when they don't ask
Originally posted 38 months ago. (permalink)
Wontolla65 edited this topic 38 months ago.

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

In order to make your images available to EOL, you need to change the license for each of the images you post to the EOL group. If you post an All Rights Reserved image to the group, the EOL harvester will not pick up your image. Also, you'll probably get some nagging messages from us or our friends asking you to change your license if you want to participate in the project. You can change your licenses one-by-one if you just want to contribute just a few images (look for the "edit" link next to the © notice on your photo page), you can change the licenses for ALL your images (if you really like creative commons after exploring it, instructions are here), or you can use "Organize & Create" to change the licenses for any batch of images you would like to contribute to the group (look for "change licensing" under Permissions in Batch Organize tab).

Let us know if you need any additional information.
38 months ago (permalink)

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devavrata2 says:

treegrow

what type of creative common's
36 months ago (permalink)

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

Have a look at the group rules. If you need further instructions, see Changing Licenses.
36 months ago (permalink)

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Guttorm Flatabø says:

@valter You need to either stop licensing your work with a Creative Commons license, or stop writing that "You cannot use! Only Encyclopedia of Life" in your photo descriptions and "Note that I only have given permission to Encyclopedia of Life (eol.org) and Naturdata (www.naturdata.com)" on your profile. The two do not go together. The CC licenses are to the general public, including EOL.

At the moment you are giving conflicting information, and in a way it looks like you are lying to EOL to have your images included.
36 months ago (permalink)

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BJAnna says:

How does one procure a license for their photos? Does it cost money?
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question...I've just never licensed any of my pics before...
32 months ago (permalink)

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

Creative Commons Licenses are free for anybody to use. To attach one of these licenses to one of your photos, click on the (edit) link next to © All Rights Reserved in the right sidebar. For instructions on how to change your upload preferences and how to change the licenses for all your images in bulk, see:
www.flickr.com/groups/encyclopedia_of_life/discuss/721576...
32 months ago (permalink)

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Valter Jacinto | Portugal says:

@Guttorm Flatabø There are no conflicting information! My photos are free for EOL and naturdata, not for others.
31 months ago (permalink)

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Jörg Hempel says:

@Valter: These are conflicting information. Base point in the CC licesnses is "You are free: to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work " (Thats the meaning of "Commons"). Limiting this to EOL or naturdata contradicts this first sentence directly.

You can add further restriction to the general CC license depicted in creativecommons.org/choose/ (in fact they are all separate licenses). These are:
- no derivative work - users are not allowed to change your image or use it for their own work (i.e. in collages; btw. this restriction isn't accepted by EOL, means images with this restriction won't be used within EOL).
- share alike - any derivative work has to be licensed under the same or similar conditions
- non commercial use - any commercial use is forbidden (.e. in commercial publications, advertising,...)
But if you don't agree in the central declaration of free sharing, distributing and using (at least non-commercial) you should not use CC licenses

Btw. attribution is also part of every CC license, means if others share the foto they have to attribute you as the author.
Originally posted 31 months ago. (permalink)
Jörg Hempel edited this topic 31 months ago.

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GLJIVARSKO DRUSTVO NIS , SERBIA says:

You are free to use images mushroom association Nis.
Greetings from Serbia.
31 months ago (permalink)

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GLJIVARSKO DRUSTVO NIS , SERBIA says:

Which license should i use to EOL could use my pictures?
30 months ago (permalink)

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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

You can use any of these licenses:
Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial Creative Commons
Attribution Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons

Follow the links to learn more about each of the licenses. Let me know if you need any additional information.
30 months ago (permalink)

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Tatters ❀ says:

That last reply by treegrow really should be on the top of this discussion,
because it is only what we have to know when we load photos to EOL group.
Originally posted 29 months ago. (permalink)
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treegrow is a group administrator treegrow says:

Good point. I have added the information to the original post. It's also in the Group Rules, but it's always good to have important information in several places.
29 months ago (permalink)

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