Josh Olson's Live Archive 12:57am, 6 April 2010
I got a question I thought I would ask here, considering I don't know to many other places to ask it. Does importing a RAW into lightroom then exporting it into a JPG format ruin the RAWs ablitlity of begin able to take heavy processing better then a straight from the camera JPG?

In otherwords, does is a converted raw have a better tolerance for processing then a regular jpg?

Thanks

Josh Olson
Countdown Photography

P.s. I'm new on here, and working on building up my flickr photostream. So... Hi everyone!

P.s.s I'm a duluth entertainment and portrait photographer
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 8 years ago
I have one question for ya...
Why would ya want to shoot JPEG? RAW is the only way to go in my books. :-)

And Hello!
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Drew C Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Drew C (moderator) 8 years ago
yes, once it's in .jpeg mode you will have less data to work with, and it is now in a 'destructive' editing phase. the jpeg will truncate some data and will be 8bits

the .nef file will remain 12 (or 14bit depending on the camera) and will take to white-balance and exposure adjustments very nicely in a raw editing program such as Lightroom

why are you in such a hurry to export out of LR? do the editing you need to do in lightroom and then export when it is done and you're ready to upload it. that way you don't have to edit once it is truncated down to an 8bit file.

if it NEEDS to be sent to photoshop for some heavy duty work, send it in as a .tiff file (16bit) through the LR interface
@ Jason, I used to shoot in JPEG for the speed, smaller file size, and just cause I was used to it. :) I'm making the switch over to raw now though.

hello to you too!

@ Drew, Thanks for the great answer.
The reason I was exporting out of lightroom is I would just upload my photos to lightroom, pick the ones I want, export the ones I like in a JPG format (as it was the only format I understood at the time), then open em up in photoshop and play a few homemade actions on them.

I also really like lightroom 2's export sharpening.

I know my workflows a little strange, but it works for me :)
I will be switching to raw now though, hopefully it will improve the quality of my photos and overall work.
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Drew C Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Drew C (moderator) 8 years ago
ha, yeah it is a bit of a strange workflow you had going on.

give it a shot my way, see if you like it.

-import everything to LR, sort/edit/toss klunkers
-right-click-edit in Photoshop CS4 (it will create a second image as .tiff that goes alongside the RAW file)
-when you're done editing your .tiff in CS4 you save/close it and it will show up alongside your raw file in LR
-when you're COMPLETELY done you can export as a .jpg for printing or web upload.
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I do exactly as Drew described above, except I make all of my initial tweaks in LR before opening the file in Photoshop.
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Drew C 8 years ago
oops, yeah i guess i wasn't clear... i do most (all) of my color corrections/exposure stuff in LR before it touches CS4...
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Karl W. 8 years ago
I have a similar workflow as above too, only if I need extra editing I export as .dng and open it up in photoshop cs3.
Could you export the photos as Tiffs and then open them up in CS4 and do editing? Instead of doing the right click>edit in photoshop option?
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HBRstudios Posted 8 years ago. Edited by HBRstudios (admin) 8 years ago
Yes, that will work the same in the end, but it is an extra step that isn't needed. And this would only be after using LR for all RAW editing.
It actually seems like less work to save them all at one time (for example through exporting), instead of saving them all one at a time.
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HBRstudios 8 years ago
Are you exporting ALL files to TIFFs? If so, you now have 2 copies (RAW and TIFF) taking up a lot of memory. Drew's approach is what I use because only a few top images get worked on. If all of your images will be printed in some fashion, what you have works, but if not, you are storing extra files that will not be used.
Thanks for all the really good answers everyone! Insanely helpful.

@HBRstudios, I process alot of photos doing photography for evens, so its ideal to export them all at once, but if I am only editing my top images, then your and Drew's approach works very nicely.
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Drew C 8 years ago
Josh,

Still not understanding your thought process here... maybe we're just not seeing eye to eye.

I shoot weddings, and it's not uncommon to bring home almost 2,000 images from a single event, though hardly 20 or so will make it into photoshop... LR is a VERY capable editing tool leaving very little reason to ever enter into photoshop. Unless for example you NEED layers, or lens correction or maybe liquifying.

When I'm doing beauty/fashion work, almost every image hits photoshop for various reasons, especially layers and liquify. but it's still a breeze to edit/sort in LR and let LR do all of the managing of photos!

Of course you've gotta do whatever works best for you, but I'm sure there's a simpler way for you.
*events (just noticed my typo)
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 8 years ago
Since we're sort of talking about workflows here...here's mine:
1. Use Nikon Transfer to upload into Adobe Bridge,
2. I then use Adobe Bridge to label and mark the photo's that are keepers or not.
3. The best of my photos go to Nikon Capture NX2 for editing and that's where I convert them into TIFF's.
4. From there I use CS4 (or Photomatix if it's HDR then into CS4) to do the clone stamping, layering, etc, etc, etc.

Just throwin' out a workflow. Not sure if that helped at all, but deal with it! Haha!
Drew,

ha, I'm not so sure were seeing eye to eye ither, but I don't think that really matters. Everyone does what works the best for them.

I can see why you would use lightroom for a large amount of images, and I usually end up making all my basic ajdustments in lightroom, but as far as lightrooms 2 sharpening and noise reduction, both kinda fail in my opinion. I personally believe that noise reduction in photoshop (I use noise ninja) and photoshop sharpening is WAY better then lightrooms algorithms.

Lightroom is a great organizing tool and basic adjustment tool, but I believe thats really all its capable of at the moment, maybe versions in the future will improve, but right now Im just really not satisfied with it.

I havn't yet stated my workflow yet that well ither, so here we go.

1. Import photos into lightroom
2. Go through and flag the picks, and reject the shots that are blurred, no sharp enough, ect.
3. Do basic adjustments to the picks, such as color, lighting, ect.
4. Export Files in Tiff format, 16bit. into a folder.
5. Open photoshop, and batch process the photos with noise reduction and my own sharpening technique.

Thats the jist of what I do.

For me this is a pretty simple workflow. There might be a simpler one, but this works really well for me and is a huge time saver.
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