enchanted afternoon [deleted] 4:46pm, 21 April 2009
Lookin' at the following with the recent shoot with Brynn (Damnit Brynn!!)....

1. New ball head tripod


2. 1 Speed light with Softbox Setup
Nikon SB900 with an Alien Bee Medium Octobox Softbox

3. 1 Speed light with Brolly Box Setup

Basically...these two setups is what I'm lookin' for.

And Brynn's Setup is definitely outta the question.

If anyone can suggest a different Tripod and/or Speedlight combo...please help.
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N. Lindstrom Photo Posted 9 years ago. Edited by N. Lindstrom Photo (admin) 9 years ago
Well, you would need to modify that soft box to use a Speedlight. Why not just go for a AB800?

Otherwise MPEX sells strobist starter kits that are decent.
noxious kettle [deleted] 9 years ago
how about a tokina 12-24mm lens for yr nikon? does first photo buy stuff at a reasonable price?
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 9 years ago
Hmmmm...the AB800 in the AB Softbox and the SB900 on the bollybox setup would seem to work quite well.

The 12-24 sounds real nice. I'm trying to not purchase anymore lenses for awhile. Lol! And I'm unsure if first photo buys stuff at a reasonable price.
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N. Lindstrom Photo 9 years ago
Last time I talked to Drew he said that they won't straight up buy anything. They do consignment or I think credit towards a purchase.
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JustinSinks Posted 9 years ago. Edited by JustinSinks (admin) 9 years ago
an SB900 in an AB softbox would be a waste of a softbox. It cant put out enough light to "fill" the box and get enough light out to do much. There was a discussion about this on the Strobist group a few weeks ago. Someone used a light meter to measure the light output, and I cant remember the amount, but it was very little. (and if you want to test it, I have a large AB softbox we can stick a speedlight in and see what it looks like first hand. I dont have a SB900 though)
They make softboxes esp for speedlights, you should look into those instead. Or just getting Alien Bees. The AB-400s are pretty cheap and put out damn good light.

ANd you shouldnt need a whole new tripod, just a ball head to go on your tripod. Unless you have a cheap tripod, that is.
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Best Softboxes for speedlights. I own the 28'' and love it.
I plan to buy a 50'' and yes a speedlight will fill one.

28''
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/62245-REG/Westcott_2334_Ap...

50''
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/62236-REG/Westcott_2348_Ap...
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HBRstudios 9 years ago
Yes, a speedlight will fill one, but I bet you won't see a difference in the light from the 28". The speedlight only shoots at the diffusion screen(s) and will light up the center of it, just as it would with the 50" model. The advantage of a softbox is the "evenness" of the light, edge to edge, and this is only acquired by a bare bulb reflecting the light off of the silver lining in all directions inside the box.

OK, you can certainly put a diffuser dome on the speedlight, but it will cut down the output by a lot of stops. To take advantage of a softbox of 50 inches, a monolight (alien bee, travelight, white lightning, etc.) is the way to go.
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 9 years ago
Thanks for the help guys.
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 9 years ago
Should I be looking for anything special when it comes to remote triggers for the AB800 and SB900?
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What is your price range for triggers?
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 9 years ago
FWIW, the Westcott Apollo softbox line is not your typical softbox. They are designed for speedlights. The entire inside is reflective and the speedlights mount so they shoot to the back of the box. The light is then reflected forward out the front, through the diffusion material providing even illumination without hot spots.
I would agree standard "studio" style softboxes will perform as Brian suggested with speedlights, but the Apollo's are different.

They also work well with studio lights.

Westcott Apollo 50'' with speedlights (some samples are shown using studio heads)
www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Westcott+Apollo+50&amp...

Westcott Apollo 28'' with speedlights (some samples are shown using studio heads)
www.flickr.com/search/?ss=2&ct=5&w=all&q=West...
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HBRstudios Posted 9 years ago. Edited by HBRstudios (admin) 9 years ago
Ah, true and my bad --- but I would have the concern of too little flash power to diffuse as much as the 50" box would.

Do you have any info on what exposures you can get using a typical speedlight with the 50" -- can you get an f8 at 6 feet away at iso 100?

What can you get with the 28"?

I am curious because I have only used my monolights with boxes.

** EDIT ** -- I see from one of the links above that he got f8 at about 2 feet at iso 400
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Which link, what was the flash power set to? I guess I have never investigated the power consumptions.
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 9 years ago
It looks like the Pocket Wizard plus ii is the remote of remotes. Would this be a correct assumption?

Hmmmm...maybe this setup would suffice:

1) AB 400 in a brolly box setup and
2) SB900 in a Wescott Apollo 50" Softbox.
3) Pocket Wizard to trigger it all

I really like the thought of how small the Speedlight is compared to the Alien Bee and the SB 900 could be used in the hot shoe as well. Anyone have comments/suggestions on this setup?
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 9 years ago
Hmmmm...I'm hoping for F11 at about 4-6 ft away @ISO 100. I suppose I'd have to go with an AB400 in the Softbox to achieve that.
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maxcaven 9 years ago
forget the pocket wizards, get cyber syncs or poverty wizards and use that money for another alien bee or a vagabond battery pack for the alien bee(s)

that's my .02
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JustinSinks 9 years ago
I agree, screw pocket wizards, ask shawn about his triggers. They cost a lot less and i hear they rock. Besides, if youre getting alien bees, might as well go with their triggers so you can control them from your camera.
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HBRstudios 9 years ago
Shawn, the link you provided giving examples of the 50" box in use (the top link) is the one I looked at -- went into the "more properties" exif data on one of the images.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 9 years ago
Cybersyncs are awesome. Super reliable and affordable.

transmitter alienbees.com/cybersync.html#cst

Receiver alienbees.com/cybersync.html#csrb

the also sell transmitters and receivers that can control the flash head output from the camera.
enchanted afternoon [deleted] 9 years ago
Cool! Cybersyncs it is!
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