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aReasontoHope 11:58pm, 5 December 2007
Today SOMEONE literally said to me:

"You're art is *bleeping* stupid. Digital Photography isn't art! All you do is press a button! You're not dealing with the dark room, with shutter speed, anything!"

I told them they were in the wrong by saying that, and they just continued with the insults.

What the heck do you say to someone like that?

Seesh.
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Hand them your camera and have them do it!
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Sweetlake 11 years ago
Shut up mom!
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Sweetlake 11 years ago
Sorry, couldn't resist. Mom's a big supporter of all the arts.
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HBRstudios 11 years ago
The art is the vision and has nothing to do with the way that it is captured.

Take the lomography discussion -- those cameras are "point and shoot" cameras without any ability to set shutter speeds or apertures.

Tell him or her that by their own definition, art cannot be created by any piece of equipment and thus photography cannot be art at all. That is unless she or he has made their own film and chemicals from scratch and built their camera out of metals dug from the ground and forged in the sauna, plus glass made from the sand along Park Point crushed and melted in the same facility.

This is akin to saying that an oil painter is not an artist because she or he purchased the oil and canvas instead of gathering and mixing their own pigment from the earth with oils extracted from the blubber of whales.

To me, art is purely the final product and not the effort to get there. I have seen many pieces that are PAINSTAKINGLY done with incredible amounts of detail, patience, and perserverance -- but are still a load of crap. It is all about the way that the image moves the viewer, nothing more.
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K. Praslowicz 11 years ago
Hand them your camera and have them do it!

Everytime someone puts a digital camera in my hands I feel like I'm back in first grade trying to figure out out to do remainders for the first time. All those menus & settings & LCD screens driive me nuts. I don't know what half the settings on what looks like it should be a shutter speed dial are half the time. Would my trying to stumble around with a tool I don't know inside and out make me a poor artist when I can't get the results I want?

I actually has someone give me their new digital camera to look take a picture witha few weeks ago. I took a few, and couldn't figure out how to get them back up on the preview. The comment I got "C'mon. I thought you were a photographer."

To each his own I guess.
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aReasontoHope 11 years ago
Thanks guys. I've tried explaining all of this (Brian I haven't tried your approach yet) and they're just plain stubborn!

I just wish they weren't so rude about it.
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I would just say, thank you for your opinion.

This person, does he/she shoot film?
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aReasontoHope 11 years ago
NO! They think art is quote on quote stupid.
They told me once "You didn't take that picture, that angle is impossible."
I told them "If you researched it a bit you would know it's possible."
They replied screaming "I'VE TAKEN A CLASS THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'M A WAY BETTER PHOTOGRAPHER THEN YOU!"

ick.
hah.
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
> They told me once "You didn't take that picture, that angle is impossible."

If the angle was impossible, where did they imagine that the photograph came from? Were they suggesting that it was manipulated in Photoshop? If they consider that criminal, then they've never done any darkroom work, where a whole slew of (different) tricks are used to improve and manipulate images.

Jason
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edgeways 11 years ago
personally I don't see as this person will accept anything you say, and may well not be worth your time, there is a whole class of people you can safely classify as "bloody stupid!" (as much as I generally don't buy into the whole labeling thing). It is akin to having a political conversation with a zealot, there is no real point to it as no one is really listening.
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lcarlson Posted 11 years ago. Edited by lcarlson (moderator) 11 years ago
I haven't really had any classes on photography, and the one class I have taken has only really helped with my printing....

Classes don't mean anything. (In my case at least)
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manley.josh 11 years ago
Digital photography is just the natural progression of art. People have always used what was available to them to create "art". Be it a song about an event, splatter paintings, or pieces of rock, its all in what you make of it. One of the most revered artists of our time, Jackson Pollock, used "Splatter Art" to express himself. I don't know if you have ever seen his work but it looks like something that I did in kindergarten with finger paints, but people really respond to it, so in that it is considered "art".

Dictionary.com calls art:
"The quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance."

I say if it moves anyone it is "art". I would tell that person to get a life and to concern themselves with something more important than criticizing you.
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
> Classes don't mean anything.

That's not necessarily true. I think a photography class, like any kind of art class, will be what you make of it. Why? At least at first, artists seem to be pretty rotten at self-assignment.

It's really easy for me to go out and shoot photos of buildings and flowers and stuff with a tight depth of field. That's really comfortable for me to do. However, in my profile I have a shot of Vintage Duluth and the NorShor that I'm very proud of... I took a walk down the east side of Superior street with a weird honkin' camera (A Kodak Vigilant Six-16 folder :-) ) and shot some photos of the so-called "seedy" part of downtown. I was def. out of my comfort zone, and I felt pretty self conscious with my light meter and monster camera. I think the photos are better because of it.

The point is, students and pros have an advantage over hobbyists like me. They have someone who is constantly telling them to shoot photos that they don't want to shoot. Shooting stuff that you aren't really interested in can only make you a better photographer.

By the way, this whole concept is lifted from Mike Johnston, who wrote a web column called "The Sunday Morning Photographer" which can be read here:

www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sunday1.shtml

His article "On Self-Assignment" is especially interesting as it outlines a pretty rigorous approach to self-assignment.

Jason
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By taking A CLASS, this person has become proficient in all types of art and the various mediums used to capture or produce a piece. I guess art is too easy for him and that is why he feels it is junk.

This person, to me, sounds like a Mr. Know it-all/Done it-all and loves to hear himself speak.

I have a shot in my flickr stream of the Bayfront Pavillion that I took from an extremely low perspective. you wouldn't believe how many people ask where is this? After I tell them, they say no way....etc..
It is kind of funny.
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Hambone Lewinski 11 years ago
Shawn, as an aside, did you really catch that golf ball in flight, or did you stage that? You have a pretty tight DOF in that shot; I'm impressed by your fast fingers. You a Pentax guy?

Jason
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I am a pentax Guy. i currently shoot with a K10d.

I staged the shot. I had a hole in the side of the ball and stuck a pencil in it. I had my camera mounted to my tripod, my cousin swinging his Nike Sasquatch driver.

I am going to redo this shot, I used my 100mm macro lens and was getting too much bokeh. it needs more dof so the golfer is a tad more apparent and maybe some action on the ball.

thanks for looking at my images.
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Sweetlake 11 years ago
Allison, you really don't need to say anything to someone that is so insensitive and immature. Why engage someone like that? Be confident in yourself and your vision. You've won a major local art contest, be smug!
Sam Paro 11 years ago
Allison, does this person go to our school?
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aReasontoHope 11 years ago
No , they are twenty years old.
And thanks sweetlake :)
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