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edgeways 6:10pm, 6 September 2007
As promised here is the update/ the skinny etc of the first scheduled DPG group show. Attendees of last weeks meeting got advanced notice, now everyone else can join in the fun.

I have two shows lined up, one this December one next June, we’ll talk about the June one closer to that date.

When: December 7, 2007
Who: YOU! (Potentially)
Where: The show will be hosted by the ever gracious Scott Lunt (Starfire) at his shop on 4th street.
What: The theme of the show is “RED” (thanks Rich). This is open to interpretation, but be warned there is only so much (red) fall foliage that can be accepted.

The quibbling details:
1- I am curating the show.

2- The show is open to submissions by any DPG member who had joined by our last meeting date (8-29-07).
a. When selecting the work to appear in the show slightly greater weight will be given to members of DPG who have been active within the group.

3- Submit up to six images to me to consider by the first week of November
a. Ideally, I want these submissions to be in print form, 8x10 min size.
b. If there is a legitimate barrier to being able to give me the images in print form, email me and something will be arranged.
c. With submissions include, title, sale price (see below), how it will be framed, what size you intend the show print to be, name and contact information.
d. Submissions can be mailed, brought to the October meeting, or I am willing to pick stuff up upon special arrangement. (email me if you need a mailing address).

4- Work: the work submitted must be your own (duh), and needs to be virginal, that is until the show opens do not post it online, put it in another show, or reuse it from another show in the past. Once the show starts, it is fair game.
a. Essentially, I want images that you have selected not something that has gone through committee, and
b. I want images that people (in general) haven’t seen before.
c. It does not have to be “new”, as in shot between now and then, just “new” as in non-public.
d. I will not put a moratorium on heavy manipulation of images, but be advised that in many cases such manipulation may count against you in the selection process.

5- Sales:
a. Sale prices will be harmonized within a given range for you to choose. More to come on this later.
i. Example, 8x10 - $20 - $35 for print (framing cost extra).
b. 10% of sales will be held as commission by DPG for the establishment of a general fund to be used for the betterment of the group, or upon approval micro-grants/loans to specific members for one time costs.
c. This venue does not charge any additional commission fee.

6- I expect most images to be fairly standard sizes, for a standard size print the minimal show print size is 8x10, larger prints encouraged.
a. If you want to be especially creative and have a project that is photography based but may not be “traditional” feel free to submit it with exposition.

7- The show print must be 300 dpi and on professional paper, so make sure you are able to print what you need to print at that level.

8- Those selected for the show will be expected to assist in the cost of promotion, refreshments and entertainment. These cost are expected to be fairly minimal and there are ways in which they can be reduced

9- Insurance: mostly putting your work in these shows is at your own risk, if anything gets damaged by me, or someone working for me, I will cover the cost of replacement, other than that the risk is yours.


That’s it in a (large) nutshell. Things may shift a bit but this is mostly solid. If you have questions post here or email me.

Now go shoot something for goodness sakes.
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HBRstudios 11 years ago
This may never even be an issue, but consider this:

When we tested 180 dpi compared to 300 dpi on the Epson 9600, it yeilded virtually identical results. I say "virtually" because the only difference we saw was on a high contrast straight line where we saw it to be a slightly sharper edge at 300 when looking at it under a magnifying glass.

Please, somebody show that I am wrong, but in my experience, if a person is going to print it from home, 300 is a good benchmark (though I have not done any real testing of it on my 2000P), but for any lab work (Epson wide printer, WHCC and other labs that do optical prints) 180 will give you as good of results in most cases.

Like I said, it may never even be an issue at all. Just FYI.
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edgeways 11 years ago
I thought about setting it lower, as you say in many cases you can't tell from looking at it. I finally went with the 300 dpi because it seems to be a "standard" for high quality prints and I figured two things, 1) if we are selling a product we want the buyer to be able to expect a certain level of quality, even if you can't look at it and tell the difference and 2) I think setting the quality limit at 180, or 200 might give variable results from user to user depending on how they print and I'm trying to minimize certain variables. In setting that level I hope to avoid "judgement calls" both on submitters part and my part.

Thanks Brian, good question.
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What is the deadline to get the prints to you?
What kind of foot traffic can we expect (assuming you have done something like this before)
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edgeways 11 years ago
1st week of November for stuff you want considered, if selected, show prints should be to me early December, 2nd - 4th.

I'd expect a decent turn out for the show itself, I had ~35/40 people at my first show that hung in Beaners, last year's group show at HNC had a few less but the location was a bit more out of the way. It's always hard to tell exactly. Aaron (Moeview) had a good showing at the same location (Starfire's) a few months back, but It'll be winter, but it may be a good place for people to pick up Xmas gifts relatively cheaply, but the place is not huge, but the owner is well connected .. etc etc if you see where I'm going.

It's not the Tweed, and not the DAI, but if we build up enough credibility I bet I'll crack one of those nuts sooner or later down the road.
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I will definitely be keeping my eye open for something Red.
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edgeways 11 years ago
Cheers
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Are you limitimiting to 3 entries, but only one accepted photo per person or if one person submits 3 high quality shots, could they have 3? Just some curious questions.
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edgeways 11 years ago
up to six submissions per individual. How many I choose for each individual is going to depend on a number of things, but yeah the potential is there for someone to end up with all six in the show, perhaps not a high potential, but I wouldn't rule it out.
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
are we doing any promoting for the show? flyers, etc?
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edgeways 11 years ago
Ayup, under number 8 I touch briefly on this. Fliers definitely, press release/s and possible post cards, but that will be decided after I price them out and figure exactly how many people will be in the show thus what the cost per person will be.
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I can't lie, I am feeling really constrained with this theme. I just can't think red I guess. LOL
Time to get creative.
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Karl W. 11 years ago
lol, I'm on the same page. All I can think of is something red in color select. Should the photographs be just like red? or is it open to interpretation of red? I'm just saying this as an example, having a photo of a green room with a red couch. Would that be something that would work? lol college has fried my mind
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I am pretty sure it is open to interpretation, as long as there is red in the photo.
I would think a sign that read, "RED" in different color letters would work too. Anything related to red, the color red, the word red, etc....
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
shawn_that's exactly how i interpreted it. if the picture is only red, it'll work..as well if the red is only implied.
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Karl W. 11 years ago
k, I was just making sure i didn't miss something
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edgeways 11 years ago
sorry, have been gone this past week, yeah things are open to interpretation as long as they incorperate the theam somehow, it even doesn't have to be simple a photo print as long as the work is orginal and photgraphy based,
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Just a reminder.. the deadline for this is quickly approaching.
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I just can't find the inspiration for this theme.
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Shawn, have you looked at any of the Red pools on Flickr? Maybe you can find some inspiration in one of those?

I have been surprised at where I am finding red lately. I got an pretty good shot of a woodpecker last week (not a skunk, Brian! ;-) ) with red feathers on his head that I am thinking of submitting for one of my photos. Yesterday I took some shots of some red mushrooms, although I don't think I am going to use them. They look like little cherry tomatoes in the grass, so not really what I am going for. ;-)

Anyway, I am going to do some still life involving red as well in the next week or two.
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
so when do we need to submit images by?

and how should we do so exactly?

i have a bunch set aside and was just wondering
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Number 3 and number 6 above in Edgewood's first post explain how to submit, what to submit, and when they are due.
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How are others planning on framing their photos if they end up with photos in the show? Will you mat them?
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If for some crazy reason, I come up with something to submit, I will mat, mount and frame them. If the public will be coming in to look at my work, I want to make sure it looks the best it can.
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Karl W. 11 years ago
I'm personally a fan of foam core matting, but I'm guessing that isn't the best way to go for "selling" because then if they wanted to then they can't put it in a frame.

Moe, what kind of matting did you use for your gallery?
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MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina Posted 11 years ago. Edited by MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina (admin) 11 years ago
I just had my prints on styrene backing and thats it. I recommend getting them framed... It was quick and easy but in the long run framing is best. A simple single matt black metal frame. Check out www.americanframe.com/
cut to order and cheap about $20 for an 8x10. .
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Well, I am concerned about cost and if I end up with photos in the show I'm not going to have a ton of cash to do a lot for framing, which is why I am curious about what others will do.
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edgeways 11 years ago
I've used over large glass clip frames with black posterboard behind the print and its looked ok, that route ~ $10 - 15 per.
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HBRstudios 11 years ago
I think that the final prints should have at least be mounted with a window mat on foam-core or some other backing. We can certainly work together to make sure that this gets done, if some of us are uncomfortable doing it all on their own.

By the way, I use American Frame as well -- if it comes to this, I think we can combine an order to save on shipping costs.
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Karl W. 11 years ago
I finnaly ordered my test prints from whcc. Woo!?
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
i have access to a mat cutter so if anybody has any odd sizes that they'd like to have done for cheap [basically just the price of matbboard, which is cheap] just let me know

woohoo i'm excited for this
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Edge,
How strict is this?

4- Work: until the show opens do not post it online

I just realized I posted a pic I planned on submitting. Ooops
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edgeways 11 years ago
Shawn, take it down online and submit it to me, no problems.
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Ok, well I have a few worthy of submitting, but I still need to get a few more. I finally have some ideas. This theme has really made me think outside of my comfort zone.
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
question for edge...

here's the thing. idk if i'm gonna be submitting the limit 6 photos, but we'll see. anyways...

something i am submitting contains two photos, a before and after type deal. they will be matted side by side on one piece of matboard, like a two pane window. does this count as one or two pics?
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edgeways 11 years ago
If you are submitting them as a single piece, which it sounds like you are, then they get judged and counted as one. They get accepted or rejected as a whole.
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When I show you the prints, do you plan on taking them for a while? the reason I ask is because, if you plan on taking them I am going to need to buy photo bags.
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Randall Cottrell Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Randall Cottrell (moderator) 11 years ago
thanks edge...do you have a set amount of pics that you are going to accept from the group as a whole? i know each person could "theoretically" have 6 photos and w/ 70 members that would be a lot. of course that won't happen...but after a certain number are you gonna say, that's enough...?
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edgeways 11 years ago
Shawn, yes I need to hold onto them for a few weeks, once I have all the submissions I am going to physically lay them out to get a sense of what works with what.

Randall: I don't have a specific # in mind at this point. It is going to depend on how big people want their show image/s to be, how many people submit how much and other factors. After I lay out what I think will be the ideal show I'll have a talk with Starfire and try and determine the maximum his shop will hold.
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
thanks again edge

i'm ordering my prints now
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
ok

edge...two more questions lol

1) i have my stuff printed the size i wanted and all is good. should i mat them before giving them to you at the meeting? even if all of them aren't selected for the show, i have other plans for them so i will be matting them regardless. i was just wondering if you wanted them matted before you get them

2) sizes, sizes, sizes. you mentioned the 8x10 minimal size numerous times but i have a silly question lol. how is 4x10? either a yes or a no is alright w/ me, i was just wondering. i also have two 8x8's, but they are going to be matted together as one item..so it's total size after matting will be closer to 10x18.

that's my two questions in yet another abnormally large nutshell
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edgeways 11 years ago
1. You don't have to mat before you give them to me, actually I'd prefer them non matted, easier to handle. I'll gladly take responsibility for replacing damaged prints at this stage, but not matting and glass etc, so if you reeeealy want to give me a finished product I'll take it with reservations.
(what you give me does not have to be the final size/top quality for the show, just a good representation of what you are submitting)

2. Submit the 4x10 with the realization that it may be at a disadvantage for being selected, and if it is I'll want it to be framed/matted so the final product meets the minimum size standard.

extraneous --- 3. when I say 8x10 minimum that is for standard sizes, so if someone wanted to get funky and submit something 4x20 I would consider that meeting the overall standard (8x10 = 4x20 == 80)
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
alright thanks

that also leaves me less work to do for wed's meeting

i'll just bring the stuff in the big whcc box
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edgeways 11 years ago
Next week is the deadline!

If you don't want to mail it to me I'm thinking of going to Starfire Lounge on Thurs (next, not this) at the Brewhouse
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I'm not submitting any photos, but if you need help with the show opening party let me know what I can do.
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Karl W. 11 years ago
I'm on the same boat, I just couldn't come out with anything red show worthy
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Wow, I am such a procrastinator. My goal for today is to upload my prints to WHCC and get them to you Monday or meet you for a beer at the brewhouse next week.
Either way.
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I have 5 prints that I'm submitting... Come on folks... anything RED.. 1 print even... It would be nice to have a diverse group showing...
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HBRstudios 11 years ago
Just to let you guys know, I have 3 I will be delivering soon.
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pH foto 11 years ago
I'll try and come up with something presentable. Just haven't seen it yet.

*nervously mops brow with red bandana*
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duluthiscool 11 years ago
...didn't you mean... nervously mops blood from brow with red bandana?
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edgeways 11 years ago
I will quietly say this will be the easiest juried show you would submit to. Not saying that everything everyone submits will be selected but contrast this process with:
1. pay per piece you enter
2. only those selected are notified in any way
3. commissions between 40% and 60%
4. you don't get your sample material back

Not all shows are like this, but it is not uncommon.

The show in June is in an even smaller space so there will be less wall space available = fewer people
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My order has been sent. i will have them tomorrow or monday at the latest.
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
i have 5...
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Okay, well I might have two. I need to think on it some more. And get them printed.
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Randall Cottrell 11 years ago
edge...i have all my prints printed off in the size i want them to be in the end. i know you didn't exactly need them in their final size...but i intend to use them no matter what so i just thought i'd get them the size i want...

anyway...could i bring them to you at our curling adventure today? they're all in the whcc box so it'll be easy to handle...
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edgeways 11 years ago
yeah that should be fine
Buttonhead 10 years ago
Hey look it's the show information. I'm glad I taught myself how to use the search boxy thingie.
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This is the old show, already happened. Look for the "Red Mug Show"
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