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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

Okay, I've been playing with my PP skills today. I posted 4 pics to the pool, but care to give me some critique on these?

(Edited to see if I could add the actual pics.)

Baby on mother's hip

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Originally posted at 1:23PM, 26 July 2007 PDT (permalink)
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Randall Cottrell is a group moderator Randall Cottrell says:

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MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina is a group administrator MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina says:

For a so called beginner and new to PP your one the right track. you clearly have a style that is your own and from what I can see it is beautiful. Very nice wok. I can't say that there is anything thing I would change.
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

There we go, thanks Randall!
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

Thank-you, Aaron. I take that as a great compliment after seeing some of your work. I've had all of this creative energy dwelling in me for years and I think it is finally coming out. :-)
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Randall Cottrell is a group moderator Randall Cottrell says:

i personally enjoy both photos. the color/b&w is probably my favorite effects on photos. and the first one really captures a singular, live moment, rather than a fake pose. really nice.
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HBRstudios is a group administrator HBRstudios says:

I guess I will be the bad guy, here -- The skin tones in the first one are flat and without much detail, giving it a plastic look to it. The bottom one has too much blown out highlights (without any detail).

Can you post the orignals? There may be very little you can do with either of these (unless you shot them in RAW), but I would like to see how you did change them to perhaps give a little better direction to my input.
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

I didn't save copies of the originals (that would have been helpful to do, huh?), but here are very similar pictures from the same shoots. They are in JPG. I haven't shot much in RAW at this point for fear of filling up my hard drive too fast. I did the PP in Picasa, which limits what I can do, of course.

Anyway, here are the pictures and thanks for your thoughts!

This one is a bit blurry. I don't think the actual original was:

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This one is the same pose, but I was moved slightly to the right in the original of the one I worked with, which put the wood trim behind my left arm rather than behind my right like like in this one. And this one is really blown out and blurry compared to the one I used.

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edgeways is a group administrator edgeways says:

I will say, in regards to shooting in RAW, I highly recommend it. I switched over to doing so within the last year and it's made a big difference. Get yourself an usb external HD when you got the cash and/or burn stuff to disc.

Your photos, compositionally,

I would have had a little more black space to the right of the first photos, as well a crop across the lower hand that frames the upper and lower edges by cut off hands may be interesting. (perhaps even going the other direction with my first suggestion and cropping the child's hand as well).
Hbr's critique brings up some good points, conversely that top image mimics an old time"y" look pretty well.

The second photo I like, I would black out the extraneous stuff in the upper left. If you are going to do flower against black background make it absolute. Perhaps play with a sharpen tool and see what transpires.
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HBRstudios is a group administrator HBRstudios says:

Yes, Yes, Yes! Always save the originals! Anytime you do work on an image, save it under a different name!

One thing I do like about these is the fact that you can see what will make an image 'pop' more and you are willing to try different things to bring that out. Keep that up!

With that said, the flower looks a little flat (underexposed) to easily bump the contrast up that much without losing those highlights (someone with photoshop and patients would be able to select the different areas as to hold the higlights and still drop the mid tones and shadows to create the effect -- can you do this in Picassa?) A little better exposure (and better light) would help quite a bit. If you are shooting in RAW, you can do this after the fact, but it is still best to get as much right "in the camera" as possible first. In contrast, the other is a bit overexposed so you may have already lost a bit of the lighter detail and darkening it up doesn't bring that back. It is tough to tell, because the "original" post has a bit of movement blur, which will remove much of that detail you are looking for in skin tones. Note the angle of light on the child's arm -- you have a great "richness" with the falloff to the shadow that easily makes up for the loss of skin tone detail here. If the other arm had the same effect (either by the light or by PP,) it would improve the look quite a bit.

There is my .02
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer is a group administrator Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer says:

I just looked and your camera has the option to shoot RAW files. I don't know if GIMP supports RAW or not. If I can make it to the next meeting I would be willing to bring my laptop to show you the power of editing RAW files. You will probably never want to shoot JPG again.
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

Thanks for all of the tips and ideas, hbr. I can do some adjusting of highlights, mid tones, etc. in Picassa, but it is limited. I've been messing with Gimp a bit, but I'm not liking the program much. I'm hoping in the fall to be able to buy one of the versions of Photoshop.
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

Shawn, that would be great if you could teach me the ropes with RAW. Hopefully we can both make the next mtg.
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MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina is a group administrator MOEVIEW is Aaron Molina says:

Shana you should schedule a get together before next months meeting. I'm sure there a several of us who would meet before next month to help you along the way. Heck I'm sure there are some things I could learn as well. Lets figure out a place and time next week or something. What works for you and Shawn T?
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Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul is a group administrator Shana Jo/A Mother's Soul says:

Next week is bad for me all around, but how about the week after? I am free every night I think.

And thanks, I appreciate any help that I can get. :-)
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer is a group administrator Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer says:

I am by no means an expert, but know enought to get by. Schedule a date and I'll see if it works for me.
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