B G [deleted] 5:13am, 16 October 2006
The following photos were removed from the group.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
# 1

amsterdam

It almost fits but too much detail.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
#2

.there is no running that can hide you...

Very original but not to the topic.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
#3

.nyah's hair as requested.

Cute, but not for this group.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
#4

Do not disturb

Nice cat, but does not fit to the group.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
#5

Mi fauna / My zoo

Cute animals, but ordinary dissymmetry.
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
O.K., B.G., that could not have been wrong,
no evident dissymmetry to be seen
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
I like some of these pictures but I do not see them fitting to the group.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
#8

amsterdam streetart
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
#9

.just love me.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
#10

Fall Colours

Any picture can be converted to this.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
#11

amsterdam

Very interesting but not to the topic.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
#14

Piers

Too much detail.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
#15

Blade Runner

Fantastic picture, but it's too symmetrical. (my hart is bleeding removing this).
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
#16

amsterdam

too many objects
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
Your opinions dear admins and members!
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well done, B.G., you've deleted uploads, where I cannot find any evident DISSYMMETRY; but among all those misleading contributions, what has the power, to present an interesting way?
I will mention the work of artisan71:
Road markings - abstract detail
Rosebud 23 PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Rosebud 23 (member) 11 years ago
OK, you deleted mine from which I was kind of proud of how I found the "mondrianesque" in the ordinary. I even wrote it in my description. For you it is just too ordinary. Now I am really confused...

Abstract Chicks

Rosebud 23 PRO 11 years ago
To #1 and #14
I think, too many details could be a reason not to fit into the group. But here the details are a kind of structure withing defined areas which make a "mondrianesque" composition. I think both photos are very good and fit also in the group. At least there are others that would fit less.
But as I said - I am confused...
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
Yes, I'm confused too. We did not finally define the rules. I only followed my instincts. So if someone is not agree, please restore the picture. It's not cast in iron. Was just my taste and I can be wrong.

The one with chickens - I though for a long time if I should delete it. I liked the composition per se, but somehow I did not like the chickens. But if you think they are OK please reload. As you can see I also had my doubts about this pic. And I'm not going to kill people over pictures.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
So I asked that pictures #1 and #14 to be restored. I'd like we all agree on deletions (at least those admins who care).
Chris B7v 11 years ago
I guess a group like this will always have a degree of subjectivity as to what goes in and does not. At least you create a thread about deletions with some reasons where required which is more than some groups would do. If your methods of deletion are put on the front page I would think most people would be happy - as in, when you delete it goes in a thread.

PS, I thought 11 was good but I don't know if it fits with what the creators of the group would like. Maybe it is more chaotic than dissymetry, which could also be said about mine (#14).
rajahdajah PRO 11 years ago
Both #11 and #14 look like dissymetry candidates to me. What more than an uneven or a broken pattern or an imbalance of weights is necessary to qualify?
Chris B7v 11 years ago
What a great definition that is! I guess it depends if the admin are after a more minimalist theme emphasising the disharmony of more basic shapes or colours.

But if that is not what they'd like I think your description would be very helpful in knowing what to post.
-rick lawrence- 11 years ago
Chris, I would tend to disagree with you about rajahdajah's statment. Although an uneven pattern or a broken pattern might be disymmetric, they are not necessarily so. Of course, the definition of disymmetric is elusive and I believe Ditmar, who created this group has, unitentionally I'm sure, been a bit mischevious! (especially to the other admins!) For me, disymmetry is not the same asymmetry which perhaps can be more easily defined as "having no balance or symmetry " and/or "lacking symmetry between two or more like parts" and/or "not straight, uniform, or symmetrical". According to these definitions, the questionable #11 and #14 could be said to be assymetric. For me they are not disymmetric, which I think has as its starting point, a symmetric image that has been displaced, I would agree, therefore, with Dietmear (FrizzText) that none of the deleted images shown above demonstrate this characteristic. I actually question whether some of the Mondrian works referred to are in fact dysmmetric, although I would suggest that perhaps some of his and other abstract painters have created works with an illusion of symmetry which is not actually present. Perhaps this is what Dietmar is referring to when he offers the example image above of artisan71, in which lines on a road are, in our subconcious, supposed to be symmetrical but a confusion is set up by the diagonal lines.
Of course, I am not sure about any of this!!!!
Chris B7v Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Chris B7v (member) 11 years ago
You make some good points Rick. I agree with you when you talk about a symmetric image that has been displaced. My image at 14 does not possess this - it was composed carefully to show the disymmetry. So the photo itself is composed in a balanced way to emphasise the imperfections of the subject (I'm sure I didn't put this much thought into it when I took it! Not consciously anyway). So if admin prefers what you are talking about (which I agree is dissymmetric) my pic would not fit.

What I liked about rajahdajah's statement was that I felt it could compose part of a guidelines on what admin would like (if in fact they want those things). It had some tangible terms. Imbalance, a broken pattern, symmmetry displaced, mondrian-like - they are all useful terms in helping give an idea of what to post but ultimately which terms are used would depend on what admin would like.

I think I'm glad I'm not an admin! I'm not sure how I walked into this discussion anyway!
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
I'll ask #11 to be re-submitted. As I said, if someone sees that picture deserves to be in the group I'll invite it back especially that I have my doubts too. The definition is so fuzzy and we have now so many of them, but in spite of subjectiveness it seems that we agreed on most of deletions. (Though I still regret #2, I'm a minimalist).
-rick lawrence- Posted 11 years ago. Edited by -rick lawrence- (member) 11 years ago
Just to reiterate, my view is that, even though I think photo #11 is rather good, it is definitey not for this group. If it is, then surely 5 or 6 ot the others above should be too.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
Yellow Trumpets

Please NO FLOWERS. Anyone can flood this group with them.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
Too late. I asked #11 to re-post, it's great photo. Will not do it to #5 or #6. Do not see them fit at all. Sorry.
-rick lawrence- 11 years ago
Ah well!!! I did not specifically mean #5 or #6, I meant 5 or 6 of the others are at least more worthy, whihc of course I dont really mean. Just trrying to make a point!!! I agree that #5 and #6 are not close, as none of the other 14 are either, an opinion which I thought you had all agreed to. Hey Dietmar, where are you are on this!!! Of course, I dont take this that seriously. It's been fun chatting/debating with you all.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
Thanks Rick. Dietmar now have other interests that's why he allowed me to harm the group. Yes, it's fun to be here, but I tell you, it's not a fun to remove pics and upset people. Anyway, I'm only trying to make group looking better. Getting tired.
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
34 replies in the moment, thanks to B.G.: this is the first discussion in my groups, which gains a higher interestingness; BG said, after a question of the genious Rick E Dick, I would follow other interests than to be an admin; not exactly; yesterday I tried to destroy the symmetry of a tram
69 - me, sitting in the Schwebebahn
no, it's not MONDRIANESQUE;
instead of deleting pics, escorted with a flood of words, me and my cat (a hidden admin) are removing pics nightly, quietly, rigorously; main target: flowers; God made them symmetrical; we don't need to copy that with a camera out of balance; instead of presenting bad creations (some of them are uploaded again, for example by the very bold criticaster of all critics rajahdajah) , instead of presenting bad and egocentrique pics I try to present only well done uploads, which impressed me verrry much - I am not sleeping always... :))
Trains
it's not a minimalistic abstract creation, don't forget we are photographers, trying to combine the real world outside with brain-conceptioned inside clusters [hello Immanuel KANT] of classifying the world in symmetrical and not symmetrical... :))
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
comment to courageous reloaders,
I wrote to my friend rajahdajah:

hi roger, this pic has been removed from the DISSYMMETRY-group because it is not in the focus of what we are seeking for; this pic is maybe a good upload for the poster design group, but surely not for the DISSYMMETRY-gang; if you find one of my uploads, which doesn't follow the rules, remove it from the pool - otherwise I will upload some elephants or penguins in your automobile group :))
rajahdajah PRO 11 years ago
Frizztext - Am not at all pleased with the derogatory term "courageous reloader" that has been pointed my way. It has an idiot connotation to it. I thought I had loaded the image in question with a fair understanding of what is going on here. My image was an example of subtle dissymetry as opposed to crashingly obvious dissymetry. I never heard or knew that it was removed. When I saw that it was not in place I chalked it up to flawed memory on my part...and submitted. Because I believed in it. Apparently a second time. The thought of being administratively removed did not even occur to me. Looks like my 42 years in the art, photography, design, and copy writing business do not qualify me to make appropriate decisions in this arena. It does not sound like it should be too complicated. Things have a pattern or they do not. Things step out of the pattern or they do not. Things are in or out of proportion. Things are balanced or imbalanced or cock-eyed. Weights are where they should be...or for some mysterious reason they are not. Things that are reasonably symetrical often show flaws. Some things are just missing. Some things are where they should not be. Or in an odd configuration.

Maybe that is my problem. I have been looking for visual imbalances rather than context imbalances as my definition of DISSYMETRY.
Maybe I need to find goldfish in a cement truck.

I can walk you through the pool at this very moment and point out at least ten existing examples of "subtle dissymetry" that are more subtle than my offering. In my opinion, of course. Small and misinformed as it is.
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
dear goldfish in a cement truck, piet mondrian has been a very shy human being, he suffered in paris under walls of opposites houses too near to his own window, so he started to paint more and more abstract and the reality disappeared out of his paintings (in the beginning we could see trees and mills); now, maybe the question is, how much reality do we accept in this group? the extreme point is, no animal silhouettes, only buildings, only a world without human beings, like the day after a nuclear fall-out; I've written about the empty rooms of the famous female photographer candida hoefer, www.frizztext.de/candida_hoefer.html - I will remove from the pool now at least my own pics, which present human beings or animals; let us see, if that, what remains, has power enough to enjoy us...
svenwerk 11 years ago
o.k., seems that deleting photos from the pool is quite a sensitive topic. i really understand posters like rajahdajah who at least wish to have an open discussion about their postings fitting or not in the group rules (before deleting them).

probably the theme of this group is more complex than those of other groups like "all animals" or "flower macros". as we already discussed here before, dissymetry is quite an open concept which may referer to visual, contextual or other dimensions of a photo.

sure it makes sense to care about the group theme and to remove those photos that don't fit the theme or that were posted without thinking about what this group is all about. but i understand that in many cases for the poster there was a certain reason to post a photo and the administrator who removed it, didn't understand what was supposed to be the (subtile) dissymetry shown in the photo.
i posted very different photos in this pool. for every single one i had a certain reason why posting it. but i can imagine that not everyone sees the same sense of dissymetry in those photos as i see. so i wouldn't be surprised if anyone removed one of my photos from the pool either.

i would like to make a suggestion: why don't we use the creative energy involved in this discussion? but not to blame one another for not understanding the group rules, but for an open discussion about what is and what could be photographic dissymetry.

what do you think about opening a new discussion where we post photos that probably don't fit the group theme. then everybody (including the poster himself) can reflect about those photos and share his view. the aim of a discussion like this would be to decide which photos do fit and which do not.

don't you think this could be an interesting reflection about what we understand when we talk about photographic dissymetry?
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
@ svenwerk

Right to the point. Of course it would be nice to discuss before deleting. And such thread was open by Rosebud23 and nobody objected or discussed any pic there. So I tried to move on. As you may notice I did not insist on my opinions and did not oppose to open discussion or to the re-posting of the pictures.

You may also notice that those who are interested did so and can re-post at their will. And those who needed this group for longer list of groups on their picture did not bother, so let them go.

I'm aware that this is painful (believe me I'm not happy deleting pictures), but it did move the group on, open discussions, woke up interested and made us all think. Is it so bad? Sometimes for the health of the body some surgery may be needed. And I never meant personal injury.

As for rajahdajah. You probably did not read all discussions. He is NOT THE ONLY ONE "who at least wish to have an open discussion about their postings".

My goal was not the deletion for the sake of deletion. The group theme is so murky that it opens gates to numerous opinions and pictures and all of them welcome. Lets stop to be faceless posters.
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
I would never ever delete this one (of colorfulexpressions):
Fire Fire Burning Bright
that's highest level, because it combines without any conflict
photo-reality and the capability of organizing referring to geometrical rules...
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
Definitely. But why post here not in the Hall of fame (or may be we call it The best?).
A n t o i n e t t e PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by A n t o i n e t t e (member) 11 years ago
Hi! It's me . . . colorfulexpressions here! Glad my photo could help with your discussion . . . am I supposed to submit it to the Hall of Fame? You are way over my head with your views about the qualifications for dissymmetry as pertains to your group, but I'm glad to see an administration that is focusing on its intention! Love dialogue!
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
well, BG, post in the Hall of Fame, what is qualified in your eyes;
43 comments in this thread, because you are courageous enough, to delete pics; everytime I am online, I will delete 20 pics without any comment and post two as compensation, which I adore;
thanks, Malavagma, you've given an example for our HALL OF FAME,
that's my opinion very clear, and all the other admins:
post it there, if you agree with me, if not, remove it:
coffee's done
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Rolling Gate
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
as I entered this night, I've found 2.273 pics on 76 pages;
me and my cat removed silently and rigorously without any comment
63 pics; counter: 2.210 now (target: 1000 only, to focus our discussion); pages: 76-2=74;
compensation for removing (if you really miss one, make a RE-upload), a finding, which I adore:
Red, White, Grey Rothko
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
Great work Frizz! I love minimalism and this is a perfect photo.

I could not make myself to go through so many pages (probably because I do not have cat as co-admin) and in many cases I was reluctant to delete because I know that some people take it too close to the heart. By the way, I added "No flowers" to the group page.

@ colorfulexpressions, I posted you photo into the Hall of Fame.
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
Dietmar, before deleting pics in your night orgies please watch for the following comments (let your cat do it)

Your excellent photo was selected for the DISSYMMETRY group October 2006 Hall of Fame .

or

Thank you for adding your excellent photo to the DISSYMMETRY group
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
my co-admin, my cat Emily, deleted without any comment from 2.187 pics down to 2.000, then she smiled; I've made a compensation with four new winners in the HALL OF FAME-thread at
www.flickr.com/groups/dissymmetry/discuss/72157594330503494/
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B G [deleted] 11 years ago
Bravo!
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
dear BG, my cat whispered to me:
invite BG to join the discussion in the group
flickr.com/groups/poster-design/
wanna have such a lively battle there too...
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
Dear Frizz, I'm scared to speak up, it invariably gets me into the trouble.
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
Dear Emily, please whisper to dear Frizz this mantra:
"everytime I am online, I will delete 20 pics without any comment and post two as compensation, which I adore;".
B G [deleted] 11 years ago
I will be out of town (no computer) until first week in November.
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
we will wait for you...
86 - CAT NAP
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
me too...
29 - Fenced in...
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
me too
19 - Symmetry Proof
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
me too...
63 - Gorilla, thinking
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Frizztext PRO 11 years ago
this cat too:
64 - Tiger
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Frizztext PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Frizztext (moderator) 11 years ago
greetings from the complete boobled organic crew
to the un-organic geometrical DISSYMMETRY-fans:
49-Her Majesty
B G [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by B G (member) 11 years ago
Hi,

I'm back. Glad to see you Frizz and your nice zoo!

I see you did not sleep all this time - the group looks very good.
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