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Black Shadow Photography 4:43am, 13 November 2007
I was contacted by a publication to photograph The Killers this morning but received the following text back in an email a bit later...

“sorry, guys......my mistake on this.

apparently the Killers have their own photographer and won't allow any in.

they will take their own shots, have them appropriately airbrushed, and then send them to us.”

The Killers have a reputation for being pretty anal when it comes to photography/photographers. They refused to allow any accredited photographers to shoot them at the Big Day Out this year and from accounts renowned as being pretentious when it comes to photography.

I’d love to see a photo editor run a blank box where a picture would normally be with wording along the lines of “no photos because the band refused to allow us to use our photographer and only wanted to supply airbrushed shots”.
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it's ok. they're an overrated band as it is anyhow.
jason bergman 16 years ago
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what he said
INACTIVE - KATEYN.COM 16 years ago
fuck 'em
jxe520 16 years ago
I've never had a problem with stuff like this - Bob Dylan hasn't allowed photographers for years, not even the House Photographer of the venues he's playing at. At least you know where you stand and that's gotta be better than turning up to a venue, having a ridiculous contract thrust in front of your face and being told that you've got 60 seconds from the mixing desk etc.

I'd really like it if there are rights grabbing contracts/stupid conditions etc that publications refuse to publish live reviews and use the space they would have used to explain why there's no review.
ishotyourband 16 years ago
from the last I heard when they allowed people to shoot, you would have to shoot from the soundboard. That is why I passed on them the last time they came.
karen_e_mcbride Posted 16 years ago. Edited by karen_e_mcbride (member) 16 years ago
thing is Joe Punter doesn't know any different.. they just think the band look great all the time..lol
berserker244 16 years ago
The magazine I work for did it with a Black Sabbath featuring Ozzy gig 2 years ago: the photographer wasn't allowed to shoot the gig. So we placed the "sorry, no photos @ Black Sabbath" message instead.

Thank god Sharon isn't the manager of Heaven & Hell!!
Yup, At the Edgefest show here in Texas this year, they made all the photogs shoot from the soundboard. The show was at a soccer field.. so yeah.

They are total dicks when it comes to photogs. My editor put a blurb in about them making us do that. :)

Assholes.
V'ron 16 years ago
I would love to start a grand conspiracy of a group that would feature unattractive shots of rock stars and others who don't allow shots, taken with crappy (but small and sneak in-able -- I know is that is word?) equipment such as cell phone cameras or tiny littel 3 mp shots.
judicious pen [deleted] 16 years ago
Deny them the oxygen of publicity and ditch the review altogether. Or photoshop some warts back on to the pictures.
NelsonMuntzPhoto 16 years ago
Killers are very over rated (duran duran/joy division wanna be's) and VERY BORING LIVE! I shot them at Virgin Fest Baltimore 2006 and they just stand there. Totally faceless band also --show 10 people a group photo and all 10 will have no idea with they are.

I love how they want total control over their image BUT every joker in the crowd has a camera and video-- that goes right to YOU TUBE!!!
ishotyourband 16 years ago
as nelson said, boring live, I did go to the show here cause my friend had extra tickets, I almost fell asleep cause they did not move around at all, each member stood behind their mic's the whole time.
aliciavonderlieth 16 years ago
That exact same thing happened to me a whie back. It's too bad, they're one band I really like. :[

Anybody know who the photographer is? I'm interested in seeing his/her work.
phishinpuz17 16 years ago
at the echo fest they were very anal about media...im thinking, without the media, you wouldnt be shit....

they are MAINSTREAM and that means the media has a TON to do with them making it and for them to turn around and shit on them is totally wrong...

i just dont get music sometimes. unreal.
Eddie Smith 15 years ago
At Massey hall in Toronto they didn't allow any Photographers again, but i have seen crap shots taken from the balcony with a little point shoot being used instead. they look like crap in them. There was one pro licensed by Live nation who provided press photos (suitably airbrushed)
they aren't going to stop images getting out, and isf they respected the press they would realise they aren't about to publish a crap picture of them. does the press no good either.
idiots
moemoephoto Posted 15 years ago. Edited by moemoephoto (member) 15 years ago
You really are not missing much by not going.
They played a secret show at the 40 Watt here in Athens, and the employees working that night said they were all pretentious a-holes and were talking about their tour bus and how they earned it from all the hard work they have done to get where they are now..

I've seen them a few times back in 2004/2005 and yes, they are really boring live so nothing is missed.
flat shelf [deleted] 15 years ago
i wouldn shoot a band that behaves this way. Period. And if they would ask ME to do so, id respond to them as bad as they addess to people.

"You know, your band suck, i rather stay home that night watching tv"
DavidZhang.Art 15 years ago
They were the only band during the two day 2007 Vancouver Virgin Festival that didnt allow any photographers.

Regardless, I still think they are one of the best bands in the world.
obtainable thumb [deleted] 15 years ago
I think there allowing some photographer's into their shows now, im not sure how they are selecting them though. Their playing here in February so will be interesting to see who gets in.
daffy mitten [deleted] 15 years ago
Yes, photographers seem to be allowed to shoot at some of their shows now - it's a side of stage affair though. And when I say 'side of stage" I mean photographers are ON STAGE with the band. At lest that was the set up when I shot them a few weeks ago - and it seems that's also what happened when they played in NYC recently.
Valerio Berdini | liveon35mm.com Posted 15 years ago. Edited by Valerio Berdini | liveon35mm.com (member) 15 years ago
Advantages of shooting bands when they are not big...

The Killers some years ago...no fuss and even a quite good gig



Vale
karen_e_mcbride 15 years ago
I like the killers new song but my are they up their own arses..
scientific lamp [deleted] 15 years ago
Like whoa, BSP - I'd like to know exactly which publication is accepting tweaked, airbrushed publicity stills and (potentially) passing it off as journalism.

If I were to wire in a doctored photo, I'd have my ass handed to me. Apart from cropping, fixing WB, levels (exposure), curves (contrast), reducing noise and perhaps cloning out anything that is a result of dust on the sensor, I can't do jack shit to my images in terms of retouches.... WHEN I'd get found out (not IF) I'd get my ass handed to me faster than I could say Adnan Hajj

For me, concert photography is just like every other photojournalism assignment - you're there to shoot what's happening, warts and all.

Obviously the Killers don't like the fact they have warts. Or zits. Or bad hair. Or lousy teeth etc. etc. ad infinitum
You guy's think they are asshole to photogos you should here some of the horror stories that I have of them working as the light Guy for the US tour a few years ago. Lets just say they are very over-rated and if it wasn't for all of that nice mixing and dubbing in the sound board then they would sound like shit.
giddy rail [deleted] Posted 15 years ago. Edited by giddy rail (member) 15 years ago
Mitchel: As another light guy in the business - A the noise boy for Girls Aloud (female group in the UK) once told me "You can't polish shit! - BUT, you can roll it in glitter, which is where these units come in".
DavidZhang.Art 15 years ago
According to this article, www.racketonline.com/june07/killer.html , the official photographer for the Killers is Torey Mundkowsky, Flowers’ brother-in-law. Most of the credits for their live and studio media shots I've seen confirms this as well.

So maybe Flowers is just trying to be nice to his family. Not that I agree with them not allowing press photographers, but are there any real credible evidence that the Killers are submitting "airbrushed" live shots to news publications?

Most of the comments I read in this thread are just trashing the Killers for being overrated, and not providing any real evidence that they are indeed sending out airbrushed shots, which is the original topic to begin with.
you're allowed to mutilate photos for journalistic publications so long as you label them a photographic illustration or some such.
fair waves [deleted] 15 years ago
At the KROQ Christmas show they were the only band that didn't allow photography, and they weren't even headlining. I didn't mind much.
bwellll 15 years ago
The Killers new album is seriously God-awful, it causes me actual physical pain.

I like their first three though.
It's not heresay, it's straight out of his mouth. Here's an excerpt of a recent interview with the UK's Guardian that sums up the arrogance:

...Throughout the show a member of the Killers' entourage takes pictures from the side of the stage. These days he is the only photographer allowed to shoot the band live. After gigs, the media are invited to pick shots that the band have selected to put up on a special website. Later I ask Flowers why such an edict is necessary.

'Ah-ha-ha,' he laughs nervously. He begins by saying that the ban on outside photographers was in response to publications tending to use the same kind of image repeatedly: him with his mouth wide open, singing. Or, as he puts it, 'the screaming moment... It just to got to be - well, for me, I didn't like it.'

And is it correct that you'll only be filmed head-on, not from underneath?

'Yeah. Why? It's a very unflattering place to have your picture taken. You can't avoid looking like you have a double chin, especially if you're singing and opening your mouth and screaming. It's a misrepresentation.'

But you're lean and in good shape.

'I'm lean. But I'm not as lean as the dreams of.... Iggy Pop and the good old days.'

Would you say you were vain, Brandon?

[Laughing] 'I don't know if it means I'm vain. I'm cautious!'

And you like being in control?

'Well, you know, it's our destiny that we're playing with here.'

Presumably you appreciate that your banning photographers from your shows will be construed as controlling and egomaniacal?

'Yeah, I don't understand that. I don't mind it. People can think what they want to think.'


I shot Live 105's Not So Silent Night in December and they were positively anal about not photographing the band. I gave a slight dig about it in my review for icecreamman.com:

www.icecreamman.com/review/detail/live-105-not-so-silent-...
flat shelf [deleted] 15 years ago
what a dick
That guy's trying to control someone else's art. Screw him.
Any reasonable media outlet should refuse to run coverage of them.
control freaks, now freaking of a going-to-decline-career, after the first brillian album they haven't done anything interesting anymore.

you can be sure as soon as the hype vanishes, photographer will be well needed and desired...that should be the moment to say, I am sorry, I am busy with someone else now.

ciao
Vale
Live on 35mm
☆ annette ☆ 15 years ago
Give the kid a break, he'll grow out of it.
Just don't photograph them. Plenty of other subjects out there. Who can live up to Anton Corbijn anyway?
Corrupted Photography 15 years ago
I tried to shoot these guys for their concert here tonight and the promoter basically OKed it the i get an email from him an hour later saying that the band wouldnt let anyone photography them. He was kinda set off by it.
'ju:femaiz 15 years ago
@: problem is there aren't any editors with balls.
jxe520 15 years ago
I still have no problem with this (see my original post in this thread, fifth one from the top).

They're up front about it, it's their decision and i can respect that. All I want from bands/management/promoters is to know what the score is before the gig so that I can make a choice about whether I want to photograph. I don't want to turn at the venue and and only then get told of all the terms and restrictions and feel pissed off about and have that feeling of being treated shabbilly for turning up with good intentions to try and do a good job.

Although I knew well in advance that i would only get one song for Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds we didn't get told until about 30 seconds before they came on that we had to sit and weren't allowed to move for that one song. I went to the Brisbane show a few days later (as a paying punter) and when chatting to some of photographers I know asked them whether they had been told they had to sit down when photographing their alloted one song, which they hadn't. Of course they get into the pit and 30s before they come on they suddenly get told this. This is what needs to get sorted out. If they knew they were going to impose a restriction like this they should have been up front about it and not wait until the photographers are in the pit before telling them.
flat shelf [deleted] 15 years ago
there will always be an asshole willing to shoot assholes like this assholes no matter how assholes they are...THATS the problem.
The Lockup Garage 15 years ago
@ju:femaiz : Interesting, and could be right. On a similar subject, I was talking to my editor about the photog contract that Ryan Adams has been using (essentially a rights grab), and how I have requested a look at it.

His comment was that we should be able to find a photog who is happy to do it.

"Ahhh, no. We don't cover it."
Rist Photography 15 years ago
I was just reading over at www.denvereverb.com and looks like the photographer ran into the same problem. Usually I've been able to get full sets in the same venue. Kinda sad because I know her shots would have been a lot better than the band photographer's. Que sera sera I suppose.
jamesgrant2009 15 years ago
Yeah, the killers wouldn't allow photographers at the Not So Silent night in oakland in december...


They're definitely overrated and I liked them even less after that.

Their photographer's pictures weren't even that great!!!
jxe, I was in that pit, and whilst we weren't told we had to crouch on the ground (I literally had a secrurity guard pushing down on me while I was asking wtf he was doing in a non aggressive way) I moved around during the shoot.

If I get 1 song to shoot a legend like Nick Cave, no fucking way am I going to sit still.
'ju:femaiz 15 years ago
@: I'm waiting to see Fairfax/News Ltd in Australia back it. No access => No coverage. Or, coverage with a definite slant - the "big black image of nothing" with the appropriate caption regarding the lack of access. Unfortunately, there's not too many around at a level where there would be *real* impact.
jxe520 15 years ago
Fairfax signed up to cover the cricket however "reluctantly and under duress" despite the ongoing boycott by Reuters, Agence France-Presse, Getty Images and Associated Press at Cricket Australia's terms and conditions. So if that's their editorial stance they're not very good at keeping to it.

www.stuff.co.nz/4776170a10133.html
The Lockup Garage 15 years ago
@ju:femaiz: Had the Ryan Adams release emailed to me. Copyright is to be signed over. I have informed PR that we cannot review the show due to this.
What did PR have to say?
flaky toe [deleted] 15 years ago
I think its perfectly acceptable for them to want to control their image in every way possible and live is one of them. It isn't all that different from a glamour model paying for their own shoots and then selling the distro to magazines.

It makes good business sense and secures the control of output into the media for the artist, they're by no means the only act doing this. I get it, but yes it is frustrating to not be able to get those shots you want for your own library.

Could possibly mean that others lose the opportunity to get to know the act better too as they have obviously got somebody they currently like and respect working for them on their image.

Similar to NiN... which has just reminded me...
MOD
Actually, the editor of one of the publications I work for pulled coverage of The Killers when we were informed that there were no outside photographers.
The Lockup Garage 15 years ago
I feel that she might have expected it. When I shot Sting, we were given the release before the shoot. The usual "can't use the images for basically anything except print once in the Mag". I turned up with my own release asking for portfolio, book, exhibit, and a few other. She happily took my release and went the Sting's management. I managed to get "print display for home and office". Lol.

When I asked a few weeks back the see the RA release, saying that I had seen the release he was using OS, she probably wasn't surprised. I don’t think she will be too fazed by me pulling our request.
Black Shadow Photography Posted 15 years ago. Edited by Black Shadow Photography (member) 15 years ago
@ The Avangelist - what a load of bullshit.

This type of crap is a real attack on freedom of the press. Next they'll be suing publications/reviewers who give them a bad review (don't laugh restaurants have launched law suits against reviewers who have given bad reviews).
NelsonMuntzPhoto 15 years ago
They must be jerks because even Getty Images doesn't have any current photos of them (on this tour)....who cares....totally unoriginal.

I love when a "face less" band is uptight about photography.
Natasha Ryan 15 years ago
As mentioned above they currently have an official photographer they bring on tour, so of course there wont be any wire photogs. I shot their opener (M83) on Sunday night and there were only 2 other photographers. We were escorted out and they brought him in later.
NelsonMuntzPhoto 15 years ago
If you really like The Killers why not shoot on "the sneak" from the crowd?
@ Nelson - if I really liked The Killers I think I'd shoot myself!
tuxxme 15 years ago
they're playing columbus in may, guess i wont even bother trying for a pass
spacehindu 15 years ago
@Black Shadow - if I really liked The Killers I think I'd shoot myself!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
mmmokie 15 years ago
The Killers are huge queens, they haven't allowed press for ages now. I shot them once right before their first single came out, when they were still a shitty opening band for Sam Roberts at a local festival here in town.

Even at VFest in Vancouver a couple years ago they weren't allowing press... they actually refused to perform until they received more white towels. Bizarre.
obtainable thumb [deleted] 15 years ago
The Killers are here in a few weeks so decided to email the pr and just 100% that no photogs are being allowed in. I got the reply that they allow "limited photographers for specific publications." so there is a chance that some of us may get to shoot them it seems.
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Todd | ishootshows.com 15 years ago
The Killers are playing here and I tentatively have them on my calendar as an assignment. We'll see if the publication can get access – they're generally great with setting up credentials.

The venue the band is playing doesn't have a dedicated pit, but it's nice old theatre that's great for rock shows.

Todd
NelsonMuntzPhoto 15 years ago
Every 2009 tour review of theirs I have seen does not include a current concert photo.
Natasha Ryan Posted 15 years ago. Edited by Natasha Ryan (member) 15 years ago
Here are some photos they supplied to nyc outlets here for the recent show at Madison Square Garden. Judge for yourself :)

gothamist.com/2009/01/26/live_from_msg_the_killers.php
....about what i figured.
karen_e_mcbride 15 years ago
if you dig a little deeper you'll see it's a family thing.......

"Flowers’ brother-in-law, Torey Mundkowsky, is their official photographer; Rob Whited of Vegas-based band Big Bad Zero is Vannucci’s drum tech. "

who cares anyway.. they are not such an important band.
they are really boring live in my opinion. i saw them a few times in 2004-2005. i also met them at a show in 2004 and they were assholes then too.
NelsonMuntzPhoto 15 years ago
such crap...they look like a kid with a point and shoot took them!!
Out of focus and the singer hiding behind the mic stand--photos i would just click delete on!
tinnitus photography 15 years ago
the boston globe got their own shooter in for this tour:
www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2009/01/27/bombastic_hea...
NelsonMuntzPhoto 15 years ago
boy... for a daily newspaper photographer I would of expected a better shot.
tinnitus photography 15 years ago
yeah, it's not so good.
I'm wondering if it was a deliberate "up yours" due to The Killers general policy about photography.
ishotyourband 15 years ago
the boston globe was most likely a sound board shoot.
tinnitus photography 15 years ago
the sound board at that venue (agganis arena) is pretty far back. i doubt it, unless justine brought a really big lens...
readysteadyjedi 15 years ago
Don't think it's sound board, unless they have the mics lined up at a 90 degree angle from the audience. Looks like it's from the side of the stage.
I took some photos of them with a point and shoot in 2004/2005 I should post them on flickr just as an FU to them.
Rist Photography 15 years ago
ha ha ha @ gothamist.com/2009/01/26/live_from_msg_the_killers.php He's got the mic up his nose!
ishotyourband 15 years ago
@Rist: and all those photos are by Torey Mundkowsky, his brother in law.
Rist Photography 15 years ago
@ishotyourband, that's why i think it's so funny that he said "the ban on outside photographers was in response to publications tending to use the same kind of image repeatedly: him with his mouth wide open, singing. Or, as he puts it, 'the screaming moment... It just to got to be - well, for me, I didn't like it." I guess he likes microphones up his nose in photos instead.
ishotyourband 15 years ago
take a look at all of those photos, I hate to say it, but some are not that great. It looks like he is using a stock lens or something.
readysteadyjedi 15 years ago
"Not that great" is being incredibly generous.
Litost. 15 years ago
It does look a bit like a masterclass in basic mistakes especially if they weren't limited to 3 songs, no flash etc.?
karen_e_mcbride 15 years ago
maybe if they invested in good lighting his chin might not look so big.
jxe520 15 years ago
The more he tries to explain and justify it, the more of an arse he ends up sounding.

From today's Courier Mail - www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25105568-500342...

Looking good is something Flowers realises is important to rock stars.

As such, the Killers have a global policy of not allowing media organisations to photograph them in concert.

Instead they supply publications with live photos after each concert has finished – once Flowers has personally selected authorised snaps.

He does not shy away from explaining his stance.

"Everyone's got an agenda. If you like me, that's super and you might put a great (live) picture up. If you don't like us, you won't. I've seen people do both. That's just how it is.

"So why not only put good ones out? That's my motto. It's my photographer doing it, I get to go through them. It makes sense to me, I don't know why it doesn't to everyone else."

Is it the height of vanity – only issuing approved concert photos?

"I guess, but (as a photographer) there are things you can do to a person when they're screaming their guts out and singing their life away on stage. With the way I sing you can make it look funny, I don't think that makes me any more vain than the next person because I don't want people to control me. That's them being more controlling than me if they want to do that stuff."

There were whispers the ban on external photographers started after Flowers saw an unflattering photo – he had a double chin – printed in a magazine.

"I don't shoot up," Flowers says of his mythical multiple chin. "I tend to eat."
ishotyourband Posted 15 years ago. Edited by ishotyourband (member) 15 years ago
lol at.. So why not only put good ones out? That's my motto.

I mean sure, he has the right to do what he is doing, that is allowing only his photographer to shoot so he can pick whatever photos he likes to go out to media. But the problem is that his photographer looks as if he has have no idea on how to take a decent concert photo, and it just makes it look like all he is really doing is playing favoritism because its his brother in law taking the photos.
Of course we want to make the artists we photograph look bad or "funny"... how long does he think we'd last working in this industry if that was how we acted.

Flowers' comments are an insult to every working music photographer and whatever happened to freedom of the press?
DavidZhang.Art 15 years ago
Why are people still making a fuss over this? It’s not like they are forcing photographers to give up their copyrights in exchange for photo passes. These concerts are held at private locations which means any artist has both the legal and moral rights to deny photographers, including from fans. But Brandon is clearly not kicking fans out for taking pictures of him, so maybe he isnt that vain.

And the Killers are not denying freedom of the press because they (as far as I know) are not denying reviewers from going and reviewing their music. Isn't that what the review is about? Their music? Now obviously in this day and age an artist's image is relevant. Even judging from the comments on here shows that people may be letting Brandon's personality influence their opinions of his music. But like I mentioned, he is allowing fans to take photos of their concerts, so he is not restricting public documentation.

And I do not think he meant to or has insulted every working music photographer. From his statements, he clearly did not personally like some of the photos of him that were published in the past. I do not think he is saying all concert photographers are bad, but it’s just that a few in the past have chosen to run photos that he did not like, which is his rightful personal opinion.
ishotyourband 15 years ago
I dont think that he is allowing the public to take photos, they just cant control the public from doing so.
Moonshayde Photography 15 years ago
Torey Mundkowsky's photos look like he's using a PNS! my kids would've taken better shots than those when they were 8 yrs old!

I can understand the bands wanting to look good in their photos ~ as far as I'm concerned part of my job is to make them look like rock gods whilst capturing the magic moments onstage , the 'signature' moves they do etc

If possible I let the band see the shots I've taken on the backscreen of my camera (I do realise this isn't always possible with the better known bands ~ before you start commenting about that!) and usually take note of which of the photos THEY like the best ~ alternatively, if time allows, I send them a contact sheet and ask them to let me know which which shots they prefer to be published.
I have had to send contact sheets to a few band's management for them to approve before publishing too.

strangest request from a band I shot was 'no armpit hair in the pix please' wtf!!
also had requested by bands ~ no double chins and no beer bellies in the pics... just make us look good!
Crickontour 15 years ago
Man I wish I had checked this thread out before being escorted out of the venue last night. They are VERY SERIOUS about not having their photos taken.

I was forced to delete all my shots of the Killers except one. I rather like it but my other ones were much better.

ishotyourband 15 years ago
@Crickontour: Do not take anymore photos on that memory card and download a recovery program, you will get all of your photos back that you took that night.
Litost. 15 years ago
So i'm guessing you had a photopass for one of the supports only?

Maybe they were worried you'd take some better shots than the official photographer :)?

Are they actually any fun to shoot, listen to, or give any decent photos anyway??
DavidZhang.Art 15 years ago
Did you have a photo pass approved for the Killers or just for the opening act?

The tour manager usually approves of the photo passes. So it doesnt make sense for him to ask you to delete the photos if you were actually approved to take photos of them.

The Killers rarely gives out photo passes. I was informed by Live Nation that they did not approve any for the upcoming Vancouver show.
Black Shadow Photography Posted 15 years ago. Edited by Black Shadow Photography (member) 15 years ago
@Crickontour - no-one can force you to delete or hand over images without a court order. Use recovery software to get them back.

@Mardagg - from what I have seen of the work of their official photographer my cat would do a better job.
Crickontour Posted 15 years ago. Edited by Crickontour (member) 15 years ago
@David: My pass says Killers in bold print right across the side of it along with an image of one of the band members on it. Seemed to make logical sense we'd be able to shoot from the crowd since we were denied pit access.

@ishot & blackshadow: I may have to try that, see what comes out. Talk about a band with control issues. Sheesh.
DavidZhang.Art 15 years ago
@Crickontour: So what was the tour manager's explanation when you showed him your photo pass?
m_g_gray 15 years ago
I had the pleasure (!) of a front row spot at a Killers show recently so got to watch their guy in action. He shoots the whole show both from the pit and occasionally side stage and I'm not convinced he knows what he's doing. I only do a little pro concert shooting but he really did seem to be using the kit lense... for the amount of access he has to get photos like the ones mentioned above is surprising, especially as to my untrained eye the lighting didn't look particularly challenging.

(No other photographers in the pit that night)
I haven't watched him shoot but from what I have seen of his photos it doesn't look like he knows what he's doing.
theCameraClicks Posted 14 years ago. Edited by theCameraClicks (member) 14 years ago
Has anyone ever actually heard them live? They make my ears wish they had tear ducts so they could cry! Their music is overproduced and I've never been able to get through a single song of theirs. Makes me wonder how they got to be so big.
obtainable thumb [deleted] 14 years ago
I've seen them twice (not through choice), and it's absolutely horrible! One of the worst live acts around, easily!
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