jakerome PRO 3:31am, 1 July 2008
I have noticed recently that there are several posts a day in Flickr Central, and dozens across Flickr as a whole, that are written in a sarcastic tone such that the sarcasm is easily misunderstood by many readers, leading to much shame, embarrassment and humiliation. This is a major problem. Flickr Central needs to immediately address the issue.

I propose the following:
1) Henceforth, sarcastic posts should be labeled with the following disclaimer **WARNING: POSTS CONTAIN SARCASTIC CONTENT**

2) When making sarcastic comments within the post, these comments should include the <sarcasm> tag.

3) If the sarcastic comments are still misunderstood, then the admins should immediately lock the thread & ban the original poster for not making the sarcasm clear enough.

4) Each day, the admins should start a new thread qarning Flickr Central members about the abundance of sarcastic posts in this group.

Thank you. I hope these recommendations are strongly considered, and I look forward to the day when sarcasm is no longer merely tolerated but is instead repudiated.
Jayel Aheram PRO 10 years ago
It is a problem, indeed! We have an epidemic of it in FlickrCentral. Epidemic!
stealthflower 10 years ago
Jake, I strongly suggest that you immediately and forthwith amend your post to contain the required "Contains Sarcasm" warning in its title, lest unsuspecting Flickr Central readers be obliged to take your post with undue seriousness.
flat shelf [deleted] Posted 10 years ago. Edited by flat shelf (member) 10 years ago
Yup...you missed the sarcasm flag...
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♥ shhexy corin ♥ PRO 10 years ago
sarcasm is not allowed on Flickr!
earsplitting day [deleted] 10 years ago
What? Really no sarcasm? Well that sucks
The Adrian 10 years ago
what? did i miss something? its just sarcasm... maybe i just havent had any bad experience with it but i dont see anything wrong with it. and banning people because someone else doesnt understand sarcasm makes no sense to me.
Enlightened Fellow PRO 10 years ago
I agree. Someone strongly consider these recommendations immediately!
badjonni 10 years ago
is this serious?
stealthflower 10 years ago
Completely serious. Sarcasm is serious business!
dynamic square [deleted] 10 years ago
Shall we have a referendum? Perhaps we could elect someone to represent the "Sarcasm is Ace" side of things and someone to represent "Sarcasm sucks - Ban it!" point of view.

They could start a petition each in a thread and whoever gets the most "Yesses" by a previously agreed date would win.

Let's look forward to a more democratic FlickR....
Michael Smith PRO 10 years ago
Couldn't we just decide the outcome and then rig the vote? I believe that's all the rage these days.
dynamic square [deleted] 10 years ago
Oooh, I like it... a slight twist on sarcasm there, MichaelSmith - satire!

BTW this is a non sarcastic post... but wait, now I feel I have been marginalised for having to point that this is non sarcastic... what is this world coming to?

Oooh look, it's gone sarcastic again - now I'm just confused (that is genuine)....
The Ewan PRO 10 years ago
It seems overly intrusive to have to do this so visibly. Surely it would be better to be able to flag comments by both type and level of sarcasm and let them be filtered by each users 'SarcSearch' settings; or explicitly in the Advanced Seach box. For example, an poster could categorise each comment as comment type:
- Advice
- Rant
- General noodling

and it's sarcasm level as:

- Safe for the sarcasm impaired,
- Moderate sarcasm
- Restricted sarcasm

As a guideline 'Moderate' sarcasm may make those not getting it look like a boob, 'Restricted' sarcasm may embarrass them in front of their mother.
Neil Weightman PRO 10 years ago
4) Each day, the admins should start a new thread qarning Flickr Central members about the abundance of sarcastic posts in this group.

<pedantry>Well, I suppose you've given us fair qarning for today, but who is tomorrow's chief qarner?</pedantry>
Don't knock sarcasm just because people are too stupid to grasp anything beyond a monkey's understanding of english.
nondescript group [deleted] 10 years ago
Lmfao.
I laughed all the way through this thread!
You guys really know how to brighten up a dreary morning...
xx
nondescript group [deleted] 10 years ago
Oh, and there was no sarcasm in that.
xx
jakerome PRO 10 years ago
There's another even bigger problem on Flickr-- those that mistake satire for sarcasm. I am working on a petition about that matter as we speak.
dynamic square [deleted] Posted 10 years ago. Edited by dynamic square (member) 10 years ago
Ouch, you wound me, Jake. HOLD ON... no you don't! See dictionary definition no. 1 below:

sat·ire [sat-ahyuhr]
–noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.
Michael Smith PRO 10 years ago
Could I make a special plea for more hyperbole and litotes?
dynamic square [deleted] Posted 10 years ago. Edited by dynamic square (member) 10 years ago
@MichaelSmith - I'd say "yes to hyperbole... absolutely yes, always, many more, please, pretty please, I don't like cherries, but if I did pretty please with a cherry on top!", although it's not my thread so I'll leave that to jakeome.

As for litotes, well what can I say but one can never have them often enough.
..Lobi 10 years ago
Very good idea.
Like in real life. I always tell people when something I am going to say is sarcastic. They like it a lot, so it would also be highly accepted in Flickr discussion threads.
Will Goring PRO 10 years ago
What a fascinating post.
peter.clark PRO 10 years ago
Metasarcasm - better than sex
YesBiscuit 10 years ago
I bet Al Gore never thought about this problem when he let the interwebs cat outta the bag. He should have qarned us! I'm cereal.
Rodrigo Perez Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Rodrigo Perez (member) 10 years ago
**WARNING: POSTS CONTAIN SARCASTIC CONTENT**

[sarcasm] Great thread! [sarcasm]
James Jordan PRO 10 years ago
[sarcasm]
First it was videos on Flickr, now it's sarcasm. The slippery slope that was feared is now here.
[/sarcasm]
fragile eggnog [deleted] 10 years ago
um, what about self deprecatory humor?
AlexanderC Posted 10 years ago. Edited by AlexanderC (member) 10 years ago
Maybe we could end every sarcastic sentence with the word 'not'. Not.
corydalus 10 years ago
Um, someone said they, like, liked one of my pictures, ya know, but they were real sarcastic about it. So I went and looked at their groups and all of them contain, like, tons of sarcasm. I blocked the sicko and told Flickr he needs to be banned from all of Flickr too.
baloo2 10 years ago
I recommend a course of Leaches...
fragile eggnog [deleted] Posted 10 years ago. Edited by fragile eggnog (member) 10 years ago
Hi Corydalus,
I've only just looked at your pictures, which comment contains the sarcasm? It would be really helpful to see an example.
husbandofemily 10 years ago
The Ewan -- you missed a level of sarcasm..... English!

And baloo2, we're not in the darkk ages you know. Just pop them under the tongue and let them dissolve...

;)
StevenM_61 PRO 10 years ago
Isn't sarcasm already banned by the Flickr TOS? I've heard of people whose accounts were terminated for being sarcastic.
-RobW- PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by -RobW- (member) 10 years ago
Oh no, I've contributed to this thread. What a personal disaster.
glass maps 10 years ago
I think it is very professional to be professional as a photographer in the real world, but here? Who cares.

If I notice that a group is uptight then I usually bug them about it.

Flickr is like youtube, but it's pictures instead of video(even though flickr does have video now).

But this isnt some photography guild, it is a place for my grandma to post her point and shoots to show family.

So stop acting so serious, $&%#!
Michael Smith PRO 10 years ago
I think you may have missed the sarcasm, Glass maps. Or else I did ;-)
AlexanderC 10 years ago
This discussion works on so many levels. The subtle nuances of the English language have been used to their full effect; It's great to see so many deep thinkers have found their way to this shaded corner of cyberspace.
Noam Chomsky would be proud.
glass maps 10 years ago
Haha, I did. Probably because I have not seen sarcasm here since now.

Someone should make a group that has freedom of speech, kind of like the country we live in.
it's alive! 10 years ago
Nightmare!

;-)
glass maps 10 years ago
This is actually the best post i think i have seen on flickr so far.
The Nature of Things PRO 10 years ago
[sarcasm]...Yes...It's Brilliant...[sarcasm]
krstl_blu PRO 10 years ago
I believe a punishment would be in order for those who sarcasm drips like molasses on unhearing ears. Those of you who wish to be
should have all Flickr priviledges revoked immediately and forthwith, so the rest of us can enjoy the daily drudgery of life. Thank you, my name is krstl_blu and I approve this message.
jakerome PRO 10 years ago
Let's get this puppy to go viral. If we all team up, we may be able to end sarcasm on the internet once & for all!
glass maps 10 years ago
I'm with you Jakerome.
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emdot PRO 10 years ago
Jakerome for Mayor !

Jakerome for Mayor !

Senator Rome!

King Rome!

All hail, signmaker sign-mayor the smrt Jakerome!
jakerome PRO 10 years ago
I'm glad to see that one of my heart-felt causes is catching fire for a change. Usually it's so hard to attract a following when you are being completely earnest.
glass maps 10 years ago
It's hard to be completely earnest because you worry about you and your post being banned from the group.
Michael Smith PRO 10 years ago
Heaven forfend that anyone would ever be banned from FlickrCentral.
goneforawander PRO 10 years ago
Wow. What a thoroughly interesting and informative discussion. I'm so sorry I missed this ... really. My life is now complete.

Health Warning: May contain traces of sarcasm
S_v_W 10 years ago
So cynicism is still allowed?
goneforawander PRO 10 years ago
Sarcasm bad. Cynicism and irony good.
S_v_W 10 years ago
Maybe an idea just to ban humour in general?
goneforawander PRO 10 years ago
I suppose you think that's funny.
S_v_W Posted 10 years ago. Edited by S_v_W (member) 10 years ago
No, I'm very serious. Else I would have tagged the reply with a cynicism disclaimer..
fair view [deleted] 10 years ago
I think you don't have nothing to do. I quit, bye!
worldwidewandering 10 years ago
glass maps 10 years ago
Jake I think you upset goneforawander. Well, i guess there is always one.
purple way [deleted] 10 years ago
The website Photo.net is a little on the spammy side but has an ample supply of sarcasm and sarcastic administrators (for real) if anyone is running short over here.

photo.net/community/
Mr. Goodbar Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Mr. Goodbar (member) 10 years ago
@goneforawander: I agree.

Satire (like the OP) and irony are funny, but sarcasm is just plain rude.
glass maps 10 years ago
@Mr. Goodbar

"sarcasm is just plain rude."

Oh no, dont pick on poor Goodbar or he will cry.

Are you people really that sensitive? It is the internet, you cant take anything seriously.
goneforawander PRO Posted 10 years ago. Edited by goneforawander (member) 10 years ago
@Glass maps: I wasn't upset, it was irony. Humour.

Person 1: "We should ban humour"
Person 2: "I suppose you think that's funny"

I know irony is not big in the States but it's a national pastime across the pond.

Sarcasm bad. Cynicism and irony good - it's a play on words from Animal Farm ... Jesus humour loses it's value when you have to explain it to people.

Sarcasm isn't rude if the recipient also finds it funny and returns the sarcasm. It's a whole way of life.

Look up banter in the dictionary if this seems like a strange idea.

When you figure that out, come to New Zealand where straight out in your face insults are considered both an art form and a term of endearment.
glass maps 10 years ago
Haha, I'm sorry gonefarawander, i didnt know you were joking as well. That was a good one ;)
Scott* 10 years ago
Hi, I'm an admin for a group called "Is this sarcasm or satire? Please leave an ironic comment that contains hyperbole and litotes on three pics in the pool." and we'd love to have this discussion added to the group.
Reginald Watkins Posted 10 years ago. Edited by Reginald Watkins (member) 10 years ago
I am PERSONALLY offended by each and every post regarding this topic!
Ʀαdio Ϛilϵncϵ 10 years ago
This is the most frightening thread since we were informed that the print screen key could be used to steal our photos!
sequacious 10 years ago
Whew! Is it me or is it sarcastic in here?
Rhett
glass maps 10 years ago
Seems to be quite serious.
jakerome PRO 9 years ago
I've noticed that many of the most freqent posters are not following the convention. It is of absolutely vital that everyone tags their sarcastic posts correctly, lest the humorless members of the group all decide to leave in protest.

Thank you.
Still The Oldie PRO 9 years ago
Given that they are the ones who most need the warning - and education, perhaps - that would be ironic, not to be sarcastic about it of course...
Lazybug 9 years ago
I am all for the petition. Whom do we send it to? Obama is too busy cleaning the mess, I am thinking Osama instead.
**sasho 9 years ago
I'm just going to assume everyone is sarcastic unless proven otherwise.
bsteric 9 years ago
I thought sarcasm was the highest form of wit?
I must have been mistaken.
jeffnbrooke Posted 9 years ago. Edited by jeffnbrooke (member) 9 years ago
**WARNING: POST CONTAINS SARCASTIC CONTENT**

jakerome: good poster, or the best poster?
jakerome PRO 9 years ago
carie.bauer PRO Posted 9 years ago. Edited by carie.bauer (member) 9 years ago
darn. i was so hoping this was going to be another 'copyright isn't theft' thread. {sarcasm}
Jon Winters 9 years ago
Isn't :-/ supposed to emote sarcasm?
Muzzlehatch PRO 9 years ago
This whole thread is so very brilliant.

/s
Jennifer Renee Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Jennifer Renee (member) 9 years ago
( battery not included when given out )
purple sense [deleted] 9 years ago
I clicked on this thread thinking it was about the most serious problem in the world, one that consumes me night and day:

copyright theft!

Folks, multinationals and governments around the world are stealing our photos! Right now! So let's not waste time on frivolous topics, please.
'SeraphimC PRO 9 years ago
What's "qarning"?
sohvimus PRO 9 years ago
This thread got bumped.
TomBrooklyn 9 years ago
What about cynicism, irony, and existential ambivelence?
jakerome PRO 9 years ago
The sarcasm wars are a ¡very serious¡ affair.

opensarcasm.org/
Hyla Levy PRO 9 years ago
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