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gaspi *yg says:

Gates explorers

While there's a couple of little niggly things about this that bother me, they're not enough to my mind's eye that I want to bother "fixing" them (or at least not until I'm ready to print this perhaps by year's end?). But I do like the challenge of making the best of what is not the ideal shooting situation... lighting, shoveled snow,... anything else?
12:24PM, 8 April 2005 PDT (permalink)

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purplezebra says:

I really, really like this image. It's one of the best ones of the gate that I think I've seen. She's even got a matching scarf! Her expression of awe is great too. I like the contrast of the dramatic color to the monochromatic snow and ground.

So, if we're just nitpicking... the dog. It blends into the image. It's interesting, but the dog almost stands out more in this small image than in the medium sized image.

When you're ready to print, maybe consider removing some of the tree-type distractions toward the back underneath the gate. I don't mind the shrubs and whatnot at the sides, but that one area underneath the "flag" part of the gate in the back can become distracting when printed. (There are actually two of them.)

GALLERY!
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gaspi *yg says:

Well, purp... ya found my little fixable nigglies. (-:
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quiiver says:

that scarf!!

only a couple of things compositionally that seem to jump out at me. the gate that is outside your line of gates and the dog's placement other than that this use of perspective is great. colors are great.

one thing that might be cool, is a tighter crop that would get rid of the dog and focus on her expression. but then you might lose that great perspective.

I would vote GALLERY on this as well
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gaspi *yg says:

I truly believe that this image requires more discussion (so feel free to change your minds).

I was cognizant of the dog meandering to and fro (from snowy side to snowy side) and I wanted to make sure "he" was captured in a distinctly separated position (from the woman) within the "gated" path.
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purplezebra says:

:) The more I look at this, the more I like it. The leading lines of the poles combined with the curve are just great. Great editorial photo.
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Tampen says:

Syz, my immediate reaction (which i know you frown on) was to add my Gallery vote. But you're a victim of your own brilliance. I went to your stream for closer inspection, and my eye was immediately drawn to your adjacent shot of the tree,snow and gates. That one is absolutely magical, and I can only assume that the reason you didn't post it is because, of course, it can't possibly be improved. So I shall have to think about voting for a shot that hasn't been posted.....

(for me, for the record, the shot above is bisected a little too uncomfortably in half).
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ab.photo says:

i cant really make up my mind about this one. the tones of orange are beautiful, the perspective is great. the woman and the dog seem a little awkward to me, and im not sure why. something inside me says that the girl is being crushed by the orangeness. maybe this would be solved by her (or you) being closer. but that cant be changed now. over all i think its a good shot though
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hodge is a group administrator hodge says:

This probably isn't contributing to the discussion at all, but I've seen so many images of the gates that I've completely lost the ability to objectively evaluate individual examples. My mind shoves them in a slot named "Gates" and then moves on.

Yet, at the same time, I believe that every photo should be judged on its own merits without regard to outside factors.

That might be an interesting subject in itself: Can a subject be over done?
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ab.photo says:

i know exactly what you mean. i personally dont see the gates as a particularly stunning or even good work of art/project, so when i see pictures of them i am not attracted to them astheticly. whether or not you like them though, you can still examine technique and line etc...
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gaspi *yg says:

Anyone who believes that there is such a thing as a boring subject in photography is categorically unqualified to critique photos, pure and simple.

There are no boring subjects, only boring treatments.

On a lighter note:
Gate-Walkers-1a
Just as an example here's a square crop. In the other direction is a taller vertical. What I chose seemed the best balance re the material.
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ab.photo says:

boring is'nt mentioned anywhere in this post. what are you talking about?
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gaspi *yg says:

The word need not be mentioned if it is implied in the thread. (-:

Btw, more credit for gates images done well should go to the long deceased Frederick Law Olmstead, the original designer of Central Park. Christo merely followed his paths (not that he had a choice).

@Tampen - That other shot is one to either like or not depending on your feeling about the tree. It didn't seem to be a useful contribution to C.A.F.E.

Btw, why is the group called C.A.F.E. Is this an acronym for something? (Critiques Are For Everyone?)
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quiiver says:

i like the square crop better i think.
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GustavoG says:

Btw, why is the group called C.A.F.E. Is this an acronym for something?

See some history. :)
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gteans says:

Very nice image.
I agree with everybody on the dog and tree bits in the background. It certainly doesn't bother me much, though. I especially like the moment in the woman's expression. Couple that with a clean, graphic setting and a matching scarf and you've got a GALLERY image.
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notinponce says:

i'm with the square crop. i'd give it a GALLERY.
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Tampen says:

Hodge raises an interesting point here. we've all seen masses of gates shots, and the eye does tend to yawn.

in this case, i've got a related problem. back in february, when gates shots were everywhere, i fell upon a beautiful nachosan shot of someone walking their dog near the gates. it remains one of my all-time flickr favourites, and i can't get it out of my mind when viewing syz's shot. i'm not for a moment saying that one shot is "better" than the other; in fact they are completely different in style and setting and the other has plenty of technical flaws that this group would no doubt attack. (i'm not posting a link because this thread is about syz's shot).

i'm just agreeing with hodge that our ability to evaluate objectively is a product of our experience. Some images affect us so strongly that what we see later pales by comparison, however unfairly.
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gaspi *yg says:

@Tampen - I have a "private" image of the gates similar to that one you just described. I will "friend" you (for keeps, and anyone else who emails me) so that you can see it. I am also in process this week of uploading a number of gates images in privacy mode. (I won't disclose the reasons to anyone, so don't ask. I also ask that you do not refer to or discuss those images publicly though feel free to discuss them on their pages... btw, this is a limited time offer)
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jogales says:

I think the orange really looks good with the white snow, and I really like this picture. There is a small clump of snow on the right post nearest to the photographer that might be removed to keep the image even (all the posts looking the same)I think it was smart to post this in april after the "Gate Fever" has passed. I feel like I can look at a gate image now, unlike a few months ago.
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quiiver says:

good call jogales on the timing issue. the only person who's gates photos i could look at back then were nachosans. that infrared wow!
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Spigoo says:

Don't have anything else to add except voice in my own cry for the GALLERY!
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gaspi *yg says:

The square crop was shown merely for illustration. To my eyes, the tighter (square) crop makes the woman seem cramped in the frame, especially since she is gazing up. So that won't do.
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Tampen says:

Can I just point out that this shot has five gallery votes and is poised on the brink of history - can it become the first addition to the gallery on purely artistic grounds since the Great Six Vote Experiment was launched ?
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Vida Morkunas (seawallrunner) says:

I'll add my GALLERY vote - absolutely !! Beautiful work.
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gainful alarm [deleted] says:

You know, I wish I could not like your photography, syz. You are a very cocky personality in this group. It frustrates me that I rarely see praise come from you in regards to other people's photos and anything but defensiveness in regards to your own. You're a heck of a lot more knowledgeable than me about photography, I (and anyone else) can tell that simply by comparing mine to yours. I wish I could not like yours, it's just too talented to deny. So I guess take this as a mixed offering. I love the shots that I have seen from you, but I get routinely discouraged when I see you comment. Maybe I just need to mature and accept a more informed opinion even though it doesn't please me.

I like the gates as they are. (to keep it remotely on topic)
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gaspi *yg says:

You misunderstand my commenting style. It is conversational and direct, at times passionately challenging, yet constructive. I also like to focus on photographic related issues. I doubt that my comments are ever destructive. But I find that I have to really think first and sometimes dig very deep before offering what you term "praise". It's just not the very first thing that pops into my head. Rather, other things do and that's what I talk about. It's also a fairly decent way for me to avoid patronizing behavior such as currying "praising" favors in order to earn reciprocation. Also, perhaps what you interpret as defensiveness is really my way of responding thoughtfully to critique rather than simply saying "thanks for your comment, I appreciate it". Hopefully, I try to keep the conversation and discussion going. And isn't that what C.A.F.E. is supposed to be about?

Perhaps my "no subject is boring" protest is at issue here. Long ago I was thoroughly inspired by photographer Irving Penn's image of a discarded cigarette butt. I thought that if photographic poetry could be made from a subject like that then how could there possibly be such a thing as a boring photo subject (I asked myself). Last year, Penn had a Philadelphia show entirely about images made of New York City close-ups of gutter and sidewalk clutter patterns. I didn't get to see it, but I anticipate viewing some of those images in a book or online or for real at some point.
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gainful alarm [deleted] says:

::sighs:: I love to run my mouth off. I don't know what got me going the other day, but I just want to offer an apology to syz. This wasn't the place for that sort of comment, and had I sat and thought about it for a while rather than posting on a whim, the comment never would have existed.

Sorry syz, hope you wont avoid critiquing my photos in the future because of this. You really do have a lot of valuable input to give. If I can get over myself to realize that fully, I'll be much better for it.

-Forrest

(also want to apologize for seeming to have killed this conversation...)
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gaspi *yg says:

forrest, it's not a problem for me. Glad we are okay by this.
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gaspi *yg says:

My contribution to the C.A.F.E. gallery pool on the eve of my absentia from the group for a few days...
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