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Dave Appleton PRO 8:20pm, 13 December 2006
The purpose of this thread is to help us keep track of photos which need some type of resolution if they are to be retained in the group - for instance photos where we've corrected the ID but the original incorrect tags need removing. I'm finding photos all the time where someone has corrected the ID but the tags have never been amended, but we don't have an easy means of keeping track of these at the moment. Up to now I've not even been keeping track of the ones I've corrected myself.

Hopefully most of them will end up being resolved and retained in the pool, but if we can't get the incorrect tags removed and they continue to show up on searches for another species in the hyperlink index then I think we ought to remove them.

I envisage it working in a similar way to the existing Removing Soon thread (for photos with no ID) with each photo numbered and a line at the top saying what's wrong. Then it can be edited to show it's been resolved (or removed). We could combine the Removing Soon thread into this one?
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
1 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Yellow Wagtail originally tagged as a Tree Pipit Anthus trivialis. ID has been amended but incorrect tag still there.
(If there's a Spanish speaker out there who can ask the photographer to remove the "Anthus-trivialis" tag this would help...)
Yellow Wagtail - Motacilla flava - Lavandera Boyera
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
2 **RESOLVED** (at least enough for the index to work - scientific name tag is correct though still shows wrong common name)
Ruffed Grouse (I think) originally tagged as a Spruce Grouse. Correct ID has been acknowledged but incorrect tag still there.
Spruce Grouse in mountain ash tree


3 **REMOVED** (no clarification forthcoming)
Hybrid Whistling-Duck. Tags confused showing different species combinations for common names and scientific names. Clarification has been requested.
Whistling Duck


4 **REMOVED** (no response from comment)
Tagged as Great Blue Heron (white morph). I may be wrong but the main subject at least seems to me to be a Great Egret. Not sure about the rear bird but it's in Texas where white GBH would be very unusual.
Great Blue Heron (White Morph)


5 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Black-backed Wagtails Motacilla lugens leucopsis tagged "Motacilla alba" due to Black-backed Wagtail formerly being regarded as a race of White Wagtail M. alba.
Motacilla alba leucopsis Motacilla alba leucopsis Motacilla alba
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
6 ** REMOVED ** (captive too)
White-headed Stilt Himantopus leucocephalus tagged as Black-winged Stilt H. himantopus. (Captive).
bird - Himantopus himantopus


7 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Black-headed Gull Larus ridibundus identified as a Common Gull L. canus. Correct tags added but old ones still need removing.
Common Gull
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
8 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Tagged as a Black Tern, appears to be a Whiskered Tern.
Gaivina-preta ?


9 **REMOVED** (disagreement over ID, but definitely not Jungle Myna as tagged)
Identified and tagged by the photographer as a Jungle Myna Acridotheres fuscus. This appears incorrect and Gini has suggested Bank Myna Acridotheres ginginianus as a better ID. I don't know how to tell Bank and Common Mynas but if someone can confirm the ID (I think Gini's ID was tentative?) I'll ask the photographer to remove the incorrect tags.
Jungle Myna
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Buckeye. PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Buckeye. (admin) 11 years ago
9 - I think this is probably a common myna A. tristis (darker head than body, yellow bare skin around eye, dark iris, apparently white vent). It's not bank myna.
yvi_1 [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by yvi_1 (member) 11 years ago
1 - I asked, in Spanish, for the photographer to take the incorrect tags off. Hope it helps.

Update: the incorrect tags were deleted as requested.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Thanks!
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Gini~ PRO 11 years ago
#9 - Unfortunately the ID was not tentative. It was Steve's ID, he sent email about this one. I vote for binning it.

Dave - I like the idea of combining the 2 threads. Perhaps we could lock the old one and put a link to this one.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
#9 - If there is any doubt, bin it. There are other photos of both Myna species in the pool already.

My preference would be to keep both threads separately. This one for corrections, the other one for photographs with no ID.
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Buckeye. PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Buckeye. (admin) 11 years ago
9 - It can't possibly be an adult bank myna. I can't find any decent reference to juvenile bank myna, but I'd be v surprised if it could look like this - tho surprising things do happen in Life.
If it's a common myna it's not a partic good/useful photo, thus binnable. On the other hand, if it is a juv bank myna, it's an unusual/uncommon (and thus valuable) photo.
And now I'll shut up. :-)
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
OK, I'll bin the myna. We can always ask for it to be added back if Steve or anyone is able to clarify why it's a Bank Myna. Duncan (or anyone), are you happy with the other Bank Mynas? They're from Portugal, and to my eyes rather like the Portugese "Common Mynas" in the pool (this one for example) - I really have no idea on these.

One vote each way for combining or separating the threads. When I have time I will go through all my comments and the other threads and I suspect we'll have a lot more corrections to go in here. Perhaps we should keep them separate for now and then when that's out of the way we can reconsider combining them?


10 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Cattle Egret identified and tagged as Little Egret
Garça-branca - Egretta garzetta
Gini - don't suppose these tags weren't added by you were they?
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Gini~ PRO 11 years ago
10 - yes, mine. Sometimes, when I got through many photos in one sitting I stop even looking at the photos. My bad.
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Gini~ PRO 11 years ago
10 - oh, and I fixed it so no worries now. I guess I should update it so it is resolved? The title of the photo is still incorrect. Do we care?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Thanks Gini. I've updated the entry to show its resolved. I don't think we need to worry about the title being wrong.
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Buckeye. PRO 11 years ago
I think those other mynas are OK as tagged.
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
Thanks Duncan.


11 ** REMOVED** (tags not removed despite requests)
Grey Wagtail Motacilla cinerea tagged as Yellow Wagtail M. flava
Lavandera amarilla (Motacilla flava)
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
12 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
White-naped Crane tagged with "Anthropoides virgo" (Demoiselle Crane)
White-naped Crane


13 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Ring-necked Ducks tagged as Greater Scaup
Greater Scaup - in flight


14 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Ring-billed Gull tagged as California Gull
California Gull
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
15 **RESOLVED** (it's a Siberian Stonechat)
Tagged as common stonechat (Saxicola torquata), but according to Clement's only the Siberian Stonechat (Saxicola maura) occurs in Hong Kong

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maasha PRO 11 years ago
How about putting a special tag on those that needs amending?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
15 - yes, this is a Siberian Stonechat Saxicola maura. This is a recent split (and still not adopted by some authorities). Fortunately in this case it's easily resolved as far as the hyperlink index is concerned: all we need to do is add the "Saxicola maura" tag (now done). The incorrect "Saxicola torquata" tag won't do any harm as Clements uses this for African Stonechat which is one of our exceptions that uses the common name for the index.

maasha, thanks for the idea. Special tags definitely have their uses but my view in this case is that it's easier to keep track in a thread like this. When we identify an issue the thread enables us to air it and provide an opportunity to resolve it before eventually removing the photo from the pool if we can't resolve it. With tags there isn't quite so much visibility and opportunity to get other people's assistance in resolving the issues. Thanks though.
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
16 ** REMOVED **
Tagged as Short-billed Dowitcher but I think more likely to be a Long-billed. Any dowitcher experts out there willing to give a definite either way?
Short-billed Dowitcher


17 & 18 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
ID corrected but old tags waiting to be removed
Juvenile Night Heron (Nycticorax nycticorax) Intermediate Egret (E. intermedia)


19 ** NOT IN POOL **
Tagged as a Chiffchaff but appears to be a Willow Warbler
Felosinha - Phylloscopus collybita


20 **RESOLVED** (no longer in pool)
Identified as a Vesper Sparrow but probably a Savannah Sparrow
Vesper Sparrow - Pooecetes gramineus
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
21 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Tree Pipit tagged identified as a Paddyfield (Oriental) Pipit.
Paddyfield Pipit (Anthus rufulus)

22 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Pec Sand identified and tagged as a Lesser Yellowlegs
lesser yellowlegs

Gini, I suspect the tags for both of these were added by an admin - any chance it was you? If not I'll ask the photographers to remove them.
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Gini~ PRO 11 years ago
Hi Dave - 21 and 22 were both my tags! Fixed now.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Thanks Gini!
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
23 ** RESOLVED ** (unless the African Black Duck option is still open?)
Mallards (I think) identified as Egyptian Geese. Can someone just double-check they're not African Black Ducks or something - I don't think so, but don't want to remove them if they are. Definitely not Egyptian Geese anyway!
Egyptian Geese 001

24 ** REMOVED **
Tagged Swinhoe's Snipe but I'm pretty sure it's a Common Snipe. If there's any Asian Snipe experts out there though, feel free to confirm!
Greater Painted Snipe (Male)
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
23 - Agree, certainly not Egyptian geese. May be black ducks indeed. Wing patterns, etc correspond to what Sasol, Birds of Southern Africa depicts as black ducks in flight.
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
My knowledge of African Black Duck is restricted to what it says in the Madge & Burn book on Wildfowl of the world. There the plate shows a much broader white bar across the centre of the wing than the one running along the trailing edge. Also it doesn't show any plumage as having the same contrast between the pale head and dark body which the front bird shows and the legs are more yellow. The photographer has now changed the tags to Mallard based on my comment - are you happy with this or do you still think it could be African Black Duck?

25 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Identified as Black Kite Milvus migrans but I think it has to be a Buzzard Buteo buteo (unless anyone disagrees...)
Milhafre-preto

26 ** RESOLVED **
Oiled Brandt's Cormorant Phalacrocorax penicillatus (I think) identified as Double-crested Cormorant Phalacrocorax auritus
Baby Double-crested Cormorant Baby Double-crested Cormorant Baby Double-crested Cormorant

27 ** REMOVED** pending confirmation of ID
Identified as Eurasian Eagle-Owl Bubo bubo but probably a Pharaoh Eagle-Owl B. ascalaphus. Can anyone confirm either way?
Bubo bubo
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
28 & 29 ** RESOLVED ** (tags amended)
American Herring Gulls tagged as Herring Gulls
Mmm mmm, I Just LOVE Low Tide Munchies! California Herring Gull:  Larus argentatus
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
30 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Chipping Sparrows tagged as Song Sparrow
song sparrows?

31 ** RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Cirl Bunting tagged as Yellowhammer
Escrevedeira-de-garganta-preta

32 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Night Herons tagged as Striated Heron
Immature Night Herons or Striated Herons...
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
33 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Western Gull tagged as California Gull
Leaping off the Can

34 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Black Redstart tagged as Common Redstart
Male Black Redstart Phoenicurus ochruros

35 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Tufted Duck tagged as Common Pochard
Zarro

36 ** REMOVED ** (see discussion below)
Chiffchaff (probably Common) tagged as Iberian Chiffchaff
Chiffchaff - Phylloscopus ibericus (Felosa-ibérica)
I'd commented that this was probably Common (but just possibly Iberian) Chiffchaff but I wonder if it was titled Iberian due to a misunderstanding/translation of my comment and the tags added by an admin as a result of the title?

37-38 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
I stuffed up this one completely! It's a Willow Warbler, at least I'm pretty sure it is. But when I looked at it 15 months ago I thought it was an Iberian Chiffchaff and it got tagged accordingly. My bad. My very bad.
Phylloscopus ibericus Phylloscopus ibericus

36-38 aren't critical at the moment as the incorrect tags are all Iberian Chiffchaff tags and as they were the only Iberian Chiffchaffs in the pool I'll remove it from the index. But if we get any real ones in future we'll need to make sure they're resolved then.

I think the tags to 35-38 might have been added by admins - can you check please?
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Gini~ PRO 11 years ago
Hi Dave -
35 - not my tags
36 my tags, removed them, but shouldn't it be binned?
37 & 39 are not my tags.

Happy New Year!!
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
39 ** RESOLVED **
19723 冠紋柳鶯 Blyth's Leaf Warbler

Tagged as a Blyth's Leaf Warbler and first official report (with image) of it from Taiwan. Does not appear in the Clements list for Taiwan and is not in the pool yet. Can anyone confirm the ID?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Re 39 - Makgobokgobo, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being on the Clements list for Taiwan as I don't think Avibase gets updated all that quickly - if it's the first official report in Taiwan then I wouldn't expect Avibase to have it down as occurring there yet. Clements calls it Blyth's Leaf-Warbler (note hyphen).

Though I don't know how to identify these from the many other similar wing-barred Phylloscs (Phylloscopus warblers) I would imagine the ID is good as the description of it being the first official report implies to me that it has been identified fairly carefully. So far as I can tell the photographer is competent (I can't really tell of course, but he certainly has some well-identified birds in his photostream, e.g. a Dusky Warbler, not an easy species but correctly identified).

I was initially fooled by the appearance of ???? on this and other photos posted by this photographer (and some others). However rather than being a sign of uncertainty, I think these are actually Chinese (or other oriental) characters which display as ? on my computer as I don't have the software to display them properly. I mention this as I don't know if others might have been fooled in the same way or not.

I would definitely keep this one unless there's some positive suggestion that there's an error. I'll add it to the hyperlink list if you/others agree. I've also asked him to add the Dusky Warbler as we don't have any of them yet either...
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Re 36 - Gini, I'm as confident that this is Common Chiffchaff as I would be for almost any Chiffchaff in Iberia that I can't hear singing, so I hadn't thought of binning it. But actually that's not very confident at all, so I think you have a good point - we already have a fair few good photos of Common Chiffchaffs photographed in places where Iberian Chiffchaffs occur so it may well be better to bin it.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
40 ** RESOLVED ** (Removed)
Worm-Eating Warbler, Helmitheros vermivorous

Tagged as Worm-eating Warbler (Helmitheros vermivorus), which would make it a new species for the pool. Is this photo adequate for identification and can the ID be confirmed?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
40 - no, it's not a Worm-eating Warbler, it's a Carolina Wren. I've added a comment on the photo explaining why - it remains to be seen if the photographer agrees (he seems quite sure it's a Worm-eating Warbler at the moment).
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
Dave, thanks for your assistance.

Re 39:
Wanted to make sure the ID was correct before adding the "newbird" tag.

Re 40:
Doubted the use of this photo as it is not very clear. We should keep it in the pool if it was a new species. Now it is not, I'm in favour of removing it.

Re 36:
If there is confusion over the ID and we have some good photos in the pool already, I'm all for binning it.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
That's fine with 39 - now added to the hyperlink list along with some others.

Not fussed about keeping/removing 40 provided the photographer accepts the ID, definitely remove it if not. We have much more useful Carolina Wren photos so I wouldn't miss it if it got removed!

36 binned.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 10 years ago
41 ** RESOLVED ** (ID thought to be correct, though further confirmation would be welcome)
White-breasted Cormorant (Phalacrocorax lucidus)

The photographer has this tagged as a White-breasted Cormorant, but I miss the white it should show and I am just wondering whether it is not an immature Cape Cormorant.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
42 ** RESOLVED ** RH bird is Chinese, middle is Little, LH is probably Little
小白鷺和唐白鷺的夏羽、冬羽? Little egret and summer/winter plumage of Chinese Egrets?

Chinese egret and little egret, but what is number 3? A different plumage of the chinese egret as the photographer suggests?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
41- Would an immature Cape Cormorant show yellow lores I wonder? This breeding adult doesn't, so my guess is that immatures wouldn't either. I don't really know Cape Cormorant but I wouldn't expect the yellow skin to be shaped quite like this. I do see your point about the lack of white, but my guess is that this is correctly identified (although Clements V treats it as a race of Great Cormorant). But you know South African birds a thousand times better than me!

42 - My guess is that this shows a Chinese Egret (right) and two Little Egrets, but I don't know much about Chinese Egret. He has another photo of the left two birds which he's labelled as one of each (I added the latin tags to that one so one can be removed if need be) - I've asked him to confirm if he's sure about that (and if so, how he identifies them). All 20 Chinese Egrets on the OBC website have at least some yellow/orange in the bill.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
43 **RESOLVED** Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis)
cattle egret

This is labelled as a cattle egret, but it has yellow upperlegs. Certainly our cattle egrets do not have this (in fact yellow upperlegs are diagnostic for the yellow-billed or intermediate egret). Can anyone shed light on this?
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
Hi Dave,

41
Wish I knew the South African birds that well! I've never identified a Cape Cormorant before, but in my Sasol Birds of Southern Africa, the immature seem to show some yellow colouring at the base of the bill. As said, the lack of white made me doubt the photographer's ID.

42
Agree the middle bird is a little egret, but I assumed the left bird was the chinese egret because of the other photo where it was identified as such. I therefore wondered about the ID of the right hand bird. I doubt whether the left bird is a little egret as it seems to be smaller and does not have black legs.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
41 - where's Buckeye when we need him... My vote is to assume the ID is correct unless someone comes along who knows otherwise. I don't recall the photographer making errors in the past, though whether I would realise if he had is doubtful - I'm rubbish on African birds (as you can tell!).

42 - I reckon the peculiar leg colour is due to mud, not actual colour. It would be really useful if someone who actually knew how to identify eastern egrets came along! So far as I can tell from trawling sites like OBC and of course our own pool, the only thing the two dark-billed birds can be is Little Egret. The yellow-billed on the other hand I don't think can be Little Egret, and I lean towards Chinese Egret more than say Intermediate Egret as an alternative. I hope someone will come along soon and confirm though.

43 - weird. Short stocky bill, short-looking legs, thick hunched neck all look good for Cattle Egret, bill colour and eye/lores also good for Cattle Egret. Buff crown surely means it's definitely a Cattle Egret. Cattle Egrets' leg colour does appear quite variable - they can get very pink in breeding season and at other times can be wholly or partly pale - but I've not seen them showing such bright yellow leg bases as this before. The nearest I've come across is this (definitely Cattle). However, with all the other features OK for Cattle and I think wrong for any of the other Florida options (I'm assuming that's where it was photographed) it's got to be Cattle I think.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
Thanks again Dave,

41
Will assume ID is correct.

42
I have looked at the photo again, but this time in original size, and concur that the left bird is a Little Egret. However, the leg colour does not seem to be caused by mud! As for the other bird, I assume it is a Chinese Egret. It does not have the yellow upperlegs of an Intermediate Egret.

43
Weird indeed. The bird does have all the features of a cattle egret apart from the yellow leg bases. Will stick with the Cattle Egret ID.

BTW: Thanks for the link
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
44 & 45 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Dusky Warbler tagged as Oriental Reed Warbler (not critical at the moment as no ORWs in the pool/index). A third photo was removed as the features aren't clear.
Meet Again Closer Look
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marj k PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
46 ** RESOLVED ** (tags fixed)
Superb Fairywren tags fixed
Superb Fairy Wren
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
47 ** NO LONGER IN POOL ** (probably a Dunlin)
Pilrrito de sobre branco - Calidris fusicollis

Identified by the photographer as White-rumped Sandpiper (Calidris fuscicollis), but looks more like a curlew sandpiper to me. Can anyone confirm?
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
23
Relooked and agree they are mallards.

40
Removed
poecile05 11 years ago
I think 47 is a Dunlin.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
48 **RESOLVED** Southern Caracara (Caracara plancus)
Crested, or southern, caracara
Shot in Argentina. Identified as either a southern caracara (Caracara plancus ) or a crested caracara ( Caracara cheriway). Tags include both scientific names.
raphaelmazor PRO 11 years ago
Regarding the last post (48)--I thought it was C. placus, but somebody else identified as C. cheriway.

Is one name more appropriate than the other?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Crested Caracara Caracara cheriway and Southern Caracara Caracara plancus were formerly considered to be one species. When they were one species I believe they all carried the common name Crested Caracara but the scientific name Caracara plancus (or Polyborus plancus).

When this was discussed previously here, Steve (Cuckooroller) gave some handy information about where the different forms of these two species live - based on that information I think yours has to be what is now called Southern Caracara Caracara plancus.
raphaelmazor PRO 11 years ago
Thanks Dave. I'll update the tags to make it southern caracara.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
49 ** REMOVED ** (incorrectly tagged fledglings)
Black and brown
Brazil. Brown one identified as a Cocoa Thrush (Turdus fumigatus), but the black one?
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
50 ** RESOLVED** Removed. Nestling.
Pichón

Argentina. The photographer identified it as Tawny-throated Dotterel (Oreopholus ruficollis), but seems not to be certain about it. Can anyone confirm? It would be a new species for the pool.
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
51 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Red-necked Phalarope tagged as Red Phalarope
phalarope red adult
rasmus_boegh Posted 11 years ago. Edited by rasmus_boegh (member) 11 years ago
Makgobokgobo,

49: Juv. Shiny Cowbird (Molothrus bonariensis - the black one) & juv. Pale-breasted Thrush (Turdus leucomelas - the one he mistakenly ID'ed as a Cocoa Thrush).

50: Not up to speed on South American waders that are this young, but yes, it does look like a Tawny-throated Dotterel in the moult between pullus and juv.

By the way; the birds on the first photo are of an age where they still are attended by the adults and either are at or near the nest. The bird on the second photo hasn't even completed the changed to juvenile plumage yet, and certainly is of an age where it is attended by adults, too (indeed, I suspect he was able to pick it up and take the photo, as it was pressing against the nest rather than fleeing as they'd do when they're older). So, it is questionable if either photo should be allowed as per the rules: "Photos of nestlings require an explanation of how they were photographed in the caption."
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
Thanks Rasmus,

Point taken. 50 removed. Opinions on 49? Remove or retain?
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
51 ** RESOLVED ** Booted Eagle Aquila pennatus

wahlberg's eagle - kruger park, south africa - oct. '06

South Africa. Identified as Wahlberg's Eagle, but believe it's a Booted Eagle.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
52 ** RESOLVED ** (ID confirmed)

Banded Dotterel

Banded Dotterel

Identified by the photographer as Charadrius bicinctus, banded dotterel, a NZ endemic. However, Charadrius bicinctus is a Double-banded Plover according to Avibase and not endemic, nor does a Banded Dotterel appear in the list. What is correct?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Banded Dotterel is listed in Avibase as an alternative name for Double-banded Plover; this is indeed Charadrius bicinctus. So far as the term endemic is concerned, I think of it as meaning something that doesn't occur anywhere else. As the photographer acknowledges in his description, this species does winter elsewhere, so if I'd been him I wouldn't have used the term endemic (and nor does Avibase apparently). There are slightly different definitions of the word out there though, and one of them might allow its use for birds that don't breed elsewhere, in which case it's accurate. But it's a Double-banded Plover (aka Banded Dotterel) anyway!

If anyone can confirm the name Banded Dotterel is in widespread use, I'll add it to the hyperlink index as a cross-reference.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
49 - Agree, I shall remove it, along with another fledgling tagged as Cocoa Thrush but presumably the same Pale-breasted Thrush.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
Dave,

52 Thanks for the clarification.

49 Good.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
53 ** RESOLVED ** Thrush Nightingale

Singing nightingale

Russia. Identified as nightingale and Erithacus philomela.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
53 is a Thrush Nightingale Luscinia luscinia - I've now added the tags.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 10 years ago
54 ** RESOLVED ** (Bubo magellanicus (Magellanic Horned Owl) is correct)

Tucúquere

Tucúquere

Chile. ID'ed both as Great horned Owl and Bubo magellanicus .
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camden hackworth PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by camden hackworth (admin) 11 years ago
55 ** RESOLVED **
Isn't this a Bohemian Waxwing? The photographer has it tagged as a Cedar Waxwing.
Cedar Waxwing
meshmar2 11 years ago
55 definitely Bohemian Waxwing Bombycilla garrulus
waldguy Posted 11 years ago. Edited by waldguy (member) 11 years ago
Thanks -- got it fixed! The bars on the wing rather give it away, don't they?
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
56 ** RESOLVED ** (now ID'd and tagged as Chestnut-headed Bee-eater)

BRONZE HEADED FLYCATCHER

India. Identified as "Bronze Headed Flycatcher", but that name is not listed in Avibase. Looks more like a bee-eater (particularly Chestnut-headed Bee-eater (Merops leschenaulti)) to me.
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 10 years ago
I don't know the non-European Bee-eaters at all but I would put money (Monopoly money) on it (56) being a Chestnut-headed Bee-eater.

57 ** RESOLVED ** (confirmed as Green Bee-eater and tags fixed)
This one's tagged as Chestnut-headed Bee-eater but looks nothing like the others and as it's taken in April I would have thought it's unlikely to be a juvenile. Could it be something else?
Hunting for BEE
It might be correct - I really don't know - but thought it worth flagging. Hopefully someone out there knows their Bee-eaters and can confirm!
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Oh, sorry - didn't notice you'd picked up on Chestnut-headed as being a likely option too - must be right!
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
58 ** RESOLVED ** House Sparrow (Passer domesticus)

Black-chinned sparrow

US of A. Tagged as a Black-chinned sparrow (Spizella atrogularis), but to me it looks like a house sparrow (Passer domesticus).
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
56
Similar problem with me. Don't know non-african bee-eaters, but I think this is a pretty safe bet. It does not look like any of the other indian bee-eaters. Let's see if anyone will confirm.

57
Interesting. Does not look like any of the other bee-eaters listed on Avibase for India either. Where's our Asian bird expert?
meshmar2 Posted 11 years ago. Edited by meshmar2 (member) 11 years ago
58 - House Sparrow Passer domesticus Brown eye stripe says it all ... along with Houston being outside the normal range for the Black-chinned.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
Thanks Meshmar2.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
Outstanding:

8 Removal of incorrect tags requested
19 No longer in pool
25 Removal of incorrect tags requested
27 Removed
35 Removal of incorrect tags requested
37 Removal of incorrect tags requested
38 Removal of incorrect tags requested
41 Confirmation required
42 Confirmation required
44 Resolved
45 Resolved
47 No longer in pool
51a Removal of incorrect tags requested
51b Confirmation required
54
56
57

Some these have been discussed but there is no definite conclusion on them. No 51 has inadvertently (my mistake) been used twice.

Any contributions are appreciated!
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 10 years ago
59 ** REMOVED ** Considered more likely on range and plumage to be a Mariqua Sunbird which is already represented in pool. Not sufficiently clear to be the sole representative of a different species which is said not to occur at this locality.

Cinnyris shelleyi

Tanzania. Unconcluded discussion over ID. Shelley's or Marico (Mariqua) sunbird?
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
60 ** RESOLVED ** Gilded Flicker (Colaptes chrysoides)

Gila Woodpecker

USA. Tagged as Gila Woodpecker, but looks like Northern Flicker (with thanks to krogers horseman)
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
I think 60's actually a Gilded Flicker Colaptes chrysoides.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
60 Requires further confirmation?
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
The head pattern is right for Gilded Flicker. My references hint at the possibility of Northern being similar and none of the other ID features I'm aware of are visible, but I'm doubtful if Northern gets this clear-cut (brown crown, grey ear-coverts), especially in adult males, and this was taken within the range of Gilded. So I would consider it resolved without further confirmation, but if someone else can confirm so much the better. The tags are now corrected.
djringer [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
61 ** RESOLVED ** Incorrect tags removed

Bird-of-paradise (sorry, can't figure out how to get a thumbnail)

Papua New Guinea (captivity). Tagged incorrectly. It is a Raggiana BOP. Correct tags have been added, but incorrect tags are still in place.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
Thanks djringer. I requested the photographer to remove the incorrect tags.

Inserting thumbnails is easy. Click on the "All Sizes" button above the photograph. Then click on the "Thumbnail" button and copy the text in the box below the thumbnail (ctrl C) and paste it in your message (ctrl V) and you're done.
djringer [deleted] Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 10 years ago
62 ** REMOVED ** (had already been removed but it's not resolved anyway and we now have non-captive Red-heads in the pool)

vulture

Nepal (captivity). I don't know what this is, but I'm pretty sure it's not Sarcoramphus papa. Is it a Red-headed Vulture (Sarcogyps calvus)?
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Ref No57

Take a look at the link below and you will find a photograph taken in May, of a juvenile Green Bee-eater. Note the lack of extended central tail feathers. Most if not all Bee-eaters which have tail streamers do not develop them until after their first winter. Therefore this is not a safe feature for Chestnut headed juvenile.

www.orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=13&action=sea...
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
Going through the list of outstanding ones, I've added Portuguese comments (thanks to Vasco) on 8, 25, 35, 37, 38 - we'll see if this prompts the photographers to remove the inaccurate tags, otherwise I'll remove them.

I suspect 41 & 42 aren't tagged with anything that is incorrect, so I think we should leave them in, but if someone can confirm positively that would be useful.

51 (phalarope) I'm keen to keep as it shows a rarely photographed plumage - I'll try flickrmailing the photographer.

51 (eagle) I can't help with the ID as I don't know Wahlberg's (though I could believe it was Booted). Anyone else?

Some of the recent ones I would give people a bit longer to see if they can confirm IDs. Some of the older ones are either resolved or I've removed them now (a couple weren't in the pool any more - perhaps withdrawn by the photographer?).
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Anita363 PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 10 years ago
A bitter pill to swallow: apparently 2 different species have in recent times been split off from Hirundo tahitica (Pacific Swallow): H. domicola (Hill Swallow, Indian subcontinent) & H. neoxena (Welcome Swallow, Australia & New Zealand). Based on Avibase, New Zealand has only neoxena, but Australia has both neoxena & tahitica, & the Indian subcont has both domicola & tahitica. So pics taken in NZ can safely be called neoxena, but the rest may be problematic.

EDIT: H. tahitica is just a rare vagrant in Australia -- thanks, Marj!

I'll go thru the pool & post queries to the photos affected, but I don't know how to actually tell the difference between the sp. (It looks to me like neoxena has a longer tail than tahitica, but I wouldn't want to go just by that -- especially since I know that immature/molting birds may have shorter tails.) I'm sure some of you folks who know these birds will be able to pick up the ball & run with it.

63 ** RESOLVED **
Labeled Nilgiri House Swallow, H. tahitica:
Nilgiri house Swallow (Hirundo tahitica)

64 **RESOLVED** H. domicola
Labeled tahitica, from India:
Swallow

65a,b **RESOLVED** Extra tags removed
Tagged both tahitica & neoxena
swallowswallow back

66 ** RESOLVED ** H. neoxena:
Pacific Swallow
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marj k PRO 11 years ago
H. tahitica is an "extremely rare vagrant" in Australia.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
I've updated the "outstanding" list above to reflect the current situation.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
67 ** CONFIRMED ** Long-billed Plover Charadrius placidus
Jan.9, Hirose river

Japan. Needs confirmation.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
68 ** RESOLVED ** Ring-billed Gull Larus delawarensis
Under His Wings
California. Billed as a Western gull (Larus occidentalis), but judging from the pics in the pool it looks like a ring-billed gull (Larus delawarensis) to me. But being about 1500 km from the nearest coast line, I may be wrong.
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Makgobokgobo PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Makgobokgobo (admin) 11 years ago
69 ** RESOLVED ** Black-headed Weaver Ploceus melanocephalus
Ploceus melanocephalus
Portugal. Identified as "Black-headed Weaver" and Ploceus melanocephalus. Don't know what weavers occur in Portugal and Avibase is not helpful in this regard. It might be a Village weaver (Ploceus cucullatus), but then the eye colour is wrong.
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Dave Appleton PRO 11 years ago
69 - this is Black-headed Weaver Ploceus melanocephalus - or at least it looks like the same species as most of the Portuguese weavers (including ones I saw last year) which I'm told are Black-headed Weavers!

68 - looks like Ring-billed Gull to me too. Not sure if the "Western Seagull" tag was meant to be a specific ID or just a general description!
poecile05 11 years ago
Re: 67, I think it look's good for Long-billed Plover (Charadrius placidus). The orbital color is dull, not bright yellow, the brown eyestripe is evident on the bird on the right, and the birds are foraging in a swift moving stream, which is correct for the species.
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
69 - The confusion is mine. My Stevenson and Fanshawe's "Birds of East Africa" has the Black-headed weaver as Ploceus cucullatus and the Yellow-backed weaver as Ploceus melanocephalus. Clements names the first one a Village Weaver (Avibase lists Black-headed as an alternative English name) and the second one a Black-headed Weaver (Avibase lists Yellow-backed as an alternative English name). So on that basis I concur that it is a Black-headed Weaver a.k.a Yellow-backed Weaver, Ploceus melanocephalus. Never too old to learn :-)

67 Thanks poecile05
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Makgobokgobo PRO 11 years ago
70
Cape Weaver (female)

Weaver Portrait

Gauteng, South Africa. Tagged as a Cape Weaver (Ploceus capensis). But I have my doubts. Bill seems wrong shape and size.
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Buckeye. PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Buckeye. (admin) 11 years ago
51 Booted eagle Hieraaetus pennatus. Intermediate(ish) form by the looks of it.
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Dave Appleton PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Dave Appleton (admin) 11 years ago
71 ** RESOLVED ** (problematic tag removed)
European Stonechat tagged "African Stonechat"
tarabilla comun macho - saxicola torquata - common stonechat
Before African/European/Siberian Stonechats were split they were all known as Saxicola torquata and more confusingly, now they are split most other authorities (apart from Clements) use torquata for the European ones (Clements uses torquata for African and rubicola for European). Due to the large number of European and Siberian Stonechats in the pool tagged as torquata, the hyperlink index looks for the common name "African Stonechat".

Possibly the "African Stonechat" tag was added by an admin who saw the "Saxicola torquata" and found that to be African Stonechat according to Clements?
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Gini~ PRO 11 years ago
71 - not my tags
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