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welkman001 says:

Hi all,

Have just agreed a sale on an achillies 24 and need advice on the following:

how to get the boat (triple keel) on or off the trailer without a crane.
How will the boat do on a half tide pontoon mooring?

is there a way to remove rust from the bottom without shot blasting?

Are there any local achillies (walton on the naze)?

Hi and thanks for any replies.

James
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pjbharrison says:

Welcome to the group, James.

Regarding rust, have a look at page 8 of my photostream

www.flickr.com/photos/35044698@N05/page8/

Rust tends to be worse on one side as keels were cast on their side and impurities/slag floated up to the uppermost side.
Despite how bad my keel looked the rust has not yet returned after 2.5 yrs.

Don't forget to post some photos of your boat, please.
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Amrum 9171Y says:

Welcome, James! What a lovely place to have an A24. I was sailing on the East Coast a few weeks ago (photos somewhere on the site), and particularly enjoyed the Walton Backwaters.
To get it on the trailer (assuming it's in the water) is fairly straightforward, and I think there are photos and descriptions on this site somewhere. It's not very good for the trailer though.
My boat lives on a mooring where she is afloat about 5 out of every 12 hours, but it is not a pontoon. Will she be sitting in the mud, and will she settle at the same time as the pontoon? I use our jetty occasionally, and she sits well alongside - even in the last round of gales, at high and low water.
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rothwell_neil says:

Whilst the Maryport marina gate was broken and the marina was on free flow I was moored to a floating pontoon that dried out. When the tide was out the pontoon was lower than the boat, the boat soon made its own mud berth and it settled in the same hole every time, bear in mind that Emily is fin keel and settled very happily. All I did was leave a fair bit of slack on the lines and relied on the springs as much as fore aft mooring. Once the boat had settled left less slack in the lines. Worked well for me for best part of two years.
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NormanKlipspringer is a group administrator NormanKlipspringer says:

Welcome James. There is lots of information on this site so I maintain an index on the main web site. Go to www.achillesyachts.co.uk/page3.html. You can also use the Flickr search facility. If you still cannot find what you want to know the ask. Most of the keels I have seen get rusty. depdending hoe pitted the surface is you may get away with wire brush and rust inhibitor the primer and antifoul.
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boaty ben says:

hi just joined my self.... try wet blasting , hire a pressure washer and attachment from tool hire shop, I used to get one from HSS. use kiln dryed sand very easy ! great results .....

cheers ben
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busy home [deleted] says:

Good tip.. i used an needle gun on Chille and goskar, then big 6in rotary wire brush, then rust inhibiter , Then epoxy filler till smooth.
gell shield .. primocon. Thin Micron rolled two coats micron super.
Ian then had the job done properly at Pendennis Super Yachts!!!!!
No problems at all since.even the keel join.
Welcome Ben.
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rothwell_neil says:

Grit blasters, HSS no longer do these but Brandon hire do, hand held unit is code 1576 and £21.46 per day, needs a 15cfm compressor code 1502 and these run at £35 plus VAT. Brandon will let domestic users have the unit for the full weekend (Friday night to Monday morning) at the one day rate. So £68 for a weekend and then grit from Jewsons/TP or builder merchant, needs to be kiln dried grit or sand.

Just so happens I have one booked!
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busy home [deleted] says:

I need one for Carrie ,,,, not yet though, Let us know how you get on,,
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Mike A1 says:

Hi James, and welcome!

My A24, also a triple keel, is kept on the Orwell river just upstream of the bridge. Unless they have changed hands recently, there is also one kept at Manningtree and another at Walton.

Will your Achilles be on the water this year? I've got another few weeks before being lifted for the Winter and a trip down to Walton is a nice weekend trip if you fancied meeting up. If not perhaps we can arrange something in 2012.

Cheers, Mike.
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Skykomish E29 says:

Hi James
Nice area we are across the Thames Estuary up the Swale but came up there a couple of years ago in our Achilles 24 and planned to return this year unfortunately our holiday coincided with the worst August for years in respect of wind so didn't make it perhaps next years Welcome to the group
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welkman001 says:

Will hope to get it in for xmas holidays! Always fancied winter sailing. I would love to pop up and have a look at any local achillies, or if possible come for a sail. This is a new venture for me, my last boat was a beutiful she 27 which I rewired, refitted and sailed for about two months; unfortunatley after this there was a serious engine issue needing a replacement which pretty much bankrupted me! I had to sell the boat without even sailing her after completeing the refit which was obviously quite a sad moment.

After these experinces I have decided to go completely minimal on this new boat and am very excited about having an outboard motor;my list of jobs are as follows, suggestions/comments welcome:

1) Remove all through hull fittings.
2) Remove all wiring and batteries.
3) Run one led tricolour (nasa), use hand held gps and vhf. Cabin lighting will be stick on led jobbies, there are a couiple of 'old school' solar panels on board which I might have a go at using.
4) Brush and tip the hull white.

5) sort rust and paint bottom blue.
6) I might get the seafarer echo sounder working (its a miniture bulkhead fitted version I have never seen before).
7) Remove toilet and fit bucket.
8) Sort out proper sealing for the aft lockers.
9) Remove gas instillation and fit single burner meths.
10)Get rigging sorted on the cheap and fit lazy jacks ( best mate is a rigger).
11) fit wind vane (wind pilot)


........enter Jester challenge 2014 (long term goal)


As regards the trailer/lifting dilema; the boat is on hard standing and this is project budget! I am going to build a demountable lifting frame using steel and chain hoists if possibe, then use a freind's trailer for transport. If anyone has a better idea for getting the boat on and off the trailer when out of the water please let me know.

Finally, thanks for the warm welcome!
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busy home [deleted] says:

A JCB will lift an Achilles, But only doable if the trailer is low to the ground. as the bucket is at max height when on the coach roof.
(is that clear?) Other farm lifters may be higher.
All good ideas,,
You may curse the outboard ,, lifting in and out is the only downside of an achilles,, If you are strong and younger than me may notbe so bad. The Achilles over all sailing ability over whelms any down sides.
Sailing off moorings you marvel at its nimble manners and reaction to helm at any speed. Thay heel easiliy but never frighten even the novice
Without doubt the nicest boat to sail Ive ever been in (40 yrs odd).
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Xantho582 says:

Welcome to the Achilles family James and ben!

Tony
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busy home [deleted] says:

I can sympathise with the loss of your She ..27 a good mate of mine had one,Ekine.... We left Peter port together I was in a Bell Seagull .. forcast sw 6 poss but we were out of cash. All night it blew 7 morning brought 8 waves higher than our mast. Worse we had a leak, Ekine sailed round and round us for 24 hrs ,, I saw the BOTTOM of her keel and the folding prop drooping one blade many times ..
We prayed that night,
God sent a She 27
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b.mercer says:

Welcome too, James. I sail out of West Mersea on the river Blackwater and Colne with Moondog . Would love to see another Achilles on the water ! But perhaps next summer ?
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welkman001 says:

Firstly to chillie pepper let me desciribe the delivery of my SHE27 from Rye to Walton......

Fireworks night two years ago, forecast sw 5-6. Left rye and it was more south than east. Left at night, around 1000 in the dark, massive breakers over the bar layed the boat flat twice, full breaking surf over the whole boat (never rely on local knowledge, they said plenty of water over the bar!). Got going ok but within an hour wind increased to f7-8 with large breaking seas. I got sick and went below, came up about 30 mins later and the wind had risen further, reduced all sail and ran under bare poles, approaching dover we were surfing at 8 knots. Dover was closed to all traffic but we went in anyway. I was sick through fear and have never been afraid for my life like that before or since. The boat was regularly swamped and we smashed both nav lights off the bow, the windex was lost from the tip of the mast. When we got into dover we realised too late that the engine would not go into reverse without constant pressure on the gear lever and beached the boat on a pontoon. THe next day the coastgaurd informed us it had been breifly F10 just outside of dover. I have done many thousands of miles of ocean sailing and have never experinced anything like this in my life.

I had made the descion not to go but was convinced by a more 'experinced' crew to go for it. If this has taught me anything it is to trust my own judgment!

Enough of the salty seadog tales.....

Im going to make a demountable A frame to lift the boat with using chain hoists. Does anyone know how to calculate the size of steel needed for construction? Any suggestions welcome.

b.mercer, my goal is in the water for two weeks over xmas including the suffolk yacht haurbour boxing day race and then back into the water in time for a single handed trip to oostend at easter.

As for outboards, as a previous sailor of a sonata and owner of a 1/4 tonner im well used to the movement of them around the boats!

Cheers and happy wednesday (the pendulum has swung in our favour)!
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busy home [deleted] says:

wow.. i dont think i would ever go to sea again.
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welkman001 says:

Yep, I felt like that for a bit but you have to lean from your experiences! What really struck me is how the boat coped so much better thsan we did. The other theing was just the sheer size and steepness of the waves. Also the radio to dover was funny, " dover port control, Dover port control this is yacht baruch requesting entery via western entrance over" " dover port control, yacht baruch sorry but we are closed due to weather" " "baruch to port control we are 27 feet long and are definatly enetering" then the lights ont the enterance went green for us! it was amazing. Next day no wind :).

Didn't put me off sailing but taught me a lesson in assertiveness, the chap who advised me to go has since sunk a home built proa in the black deep needing an airvav! I guess I should write into to pbo with my experinces, but am a bit anti as im sure those stories in pbo put many people off going to sea!
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busy home [deleted] says:

True...
When we got 5mls off Salcome the wind dropped off . The seas did not
We got the outboard going but it was on the transome and most of the time not in the water, I was ill with dehydration and both of us very tired , we took turns to sit on the transom to maintain any foreward motion, (chocolate is great for dehydration.) Chris Butler put the outboard in the correct place,
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Amrum 9171Y says:

Wow indeed! And good lesson for all of us!!
The minimalist approach is good for an A24, and the Jester challenge is just what they are made for. Looking forward to hearing how it develops - should be some good stories (and photos) to come!
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pjbharrison says:

See theres 1 A24 already entered for the 2012 Jester. Owned by Brendan Mills.
www.jesterinfo.org/jac2012entrylist.html
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