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Stuck winches

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Slycat777 says:

Two questions about the winches on my Achilles 24. I've uploaded a photo of one of the (Gibb) winches which are very siezed!

First, what does the lever at the bottom do? Levers on both winches are stuck firmly in position.

Second, I've been trynig to get these winches apart to servie them but with no luck. After removing the retaining screw for the cylindar I've tried twisting, hammering up, levering up with a screwdriver... running out of ideas!

Any pointers?
2:17AM, 27 September 2010 PDT (permalink)

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G4NLA1 says:

My port hand primary Barton winch had siezed solid when I bought Little Plum. I attempted a similar exercise to you with no luck. However an old hand came along and helped me out of my predicament. We sprayed in loads of WD40 ( on which LP runs really ) and then gently knocked in some very dry wooden wedges under the capstan. The wedges were subsequently soaked in fresh water. The general idea being that I was to keep tapping the wedges in further as the wood expanded. As it happens on the first knock the capstan lifted off.

What had happened was that the grease used on the capstan spindle had dried out solid. I cleaned all that off ( WD40 again ) and replaced it with copper grease.

Hope that helps.
109 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Great idea!

WD40 rather than plusgas?

Wil try this tonight!
109 months ago (permalink)

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G4NLA1 says:

I would imagine that plusgas should work.. but I am not that imaginative, and use WD40 for just about anything that needs a bit of help !

Good luck ..

Regards

Gee
109 months ago (permalink)

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blueachilles says:

The lever is a ratcheted winch handle.

Blue had these originally. Both were quite stiff; I tried squirting WD40 in but this seemed to displace what little grease was left, and made the winch even stiffer.

So I would suggest that if you use WD40 you do then need to get the thing apart and grease it.

We replaced both winches with Harken self tailers. Apart from looking nicer, and working better, you don't get the handle digging in your back!
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Slycat777 says:

Going to a boat jumble this weekend so may look for replacment winches. Problem is I prolly wont be able to remove the old winches without getting them apart anyway!
109 months ago (permalink)

busy home [deleted] says:

Boil the the kettle.....
Wrap a small towel around the winch,,
Pour boiling water over towel .
allow to nearly cool off ''
use previous methods
Do not use parcel force when buying new, (they loose things.. ask pjb)
109 months ago (permalink)

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pjbharrison says:

Buy cheap secondhand. Send by Parcelforce, over insure, buy new ones!
No, really NEVER use Parcelforce
109 months ago (permalink)

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NormanKlipspringer is a group administrator NormanKlipspringer says:

I think the Gibb winches with underhand lever are great. Why has the underhand lever gone out of fashion. I shall sorely miss the Gibb winches when I move to Klipspringer which has normal single speed Lewmars with no handle.
There is a picture in my photo stream of the inside of my Gibb winches
www.flickr.com/photos/achilles24/878728282/in/set-7215760...
My problem was that they were too loose, which I fixed with suitable washers. I found that the polythene washers used by plumbers when fixing taps (I think bath type) fit perfectly.
I confirm that once the fixing screw is taken off the wich should just be levered up preferably both sides at the same time and yes the greese is probably the problem. I like Ron's idea of the hot towel.
We have had some discussion on this before. Have alook at the Flickr index on the main site:
www.achillesyachts.co.uk/page5.html
Good luck.
109 months ago (permalink)

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gambling dice says:

Thanks for all these tips guys -- although gambling dice's winches are not siezed solid you would have to be a charles atlas type to operate them. When I was out (once this season) I had to luff up in order to tension the sheets. I will add this to my pre 2011 list of jobs !!!
109 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Thanks for the tips guys, with the info on this thread I was able to take apart the first winch!

There doesnt seem to be any gears that I can see in this winch, is this normal for a gibb winch on an Achilles?
109 months ago (permalink)

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rothwell_neil says:

According to a link on t'interweb these guys do pawls for old Gibbs

www.winchspares.com/
109 months ago (permalink)

busy home [deleted] says:

Norms got them..
109 months ago (permalink)

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gambling dice says:

hi Guys,

I am delighted to report that half a can of wd 40 has freed my Gibb winches.
108 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

I got one of mine working, using the hammer and chisel method!

The other is proving stubborn when I try to take out the retaining screw at the top. Going to try an impact driver to shift it.
108 months ago (permalink)

busy home [deleted] says:

Remember Boat parts has one,,, If you can raise them...
108 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Yup, thanks. Just got my hands on an impact driver so we'll see...
No joy with boat parts, if you're in the area again can you leave them a note with my details and that I'd like to buy something off them!

Chris Cartin 07759 228111
108 months ago (permalink)

busy home [deleted] says:

Will do,,,
Ill be up there tommorrow as Goskar needs to come up the Beach more .... 5,3 tide today so she may just float, Ill check tommorrow
108 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Both winches now disassembled!

After struggling for ages trying to get the retaining screw out (and a lot of penatrating oil later), I used the impact driver to move the screw and it worked inside of 30 seconds!

This one was easier to get apart than the previous winch.
108 months ago (permalink)

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gambling dice says:

good news well done !!
108 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Looking good. One winch back together and clicking well. The other looks good but I discovered one of the spring is broken.

The springs are very simple, just stiff wire that flexes and springs when the winch is in use. I've uploaded a picture of a complete spring and the pawl.

Any idea what type of wire I should use to fashion a new spring?
107 months ago (permalink)

busy home [deleted] says:

Piano wire,
There are a pair of 16 two speed on ebay @ at £50 now
I may buy them If you dont.. They have Winchers fitted.
107 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Great tip thanks. Will sort some piano wire now.

I had both winches working well at the weekend, so will pass on the ebay winches. Will save the cash for getting the bits I need for the mast step (or getting one fabricated if I get lazy).
107 months ago (permalink)

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pjbharrison says:

Hi Chris
My boat came with one of these winches that had been mangled by the last owner trying to remove it! I've dismantled it and have the bits including some springs in OK condition. The pawls are worn but I'll post the springs and pawls to you if you Flickrmail me your address.
107 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

heh heh I came close to mangling mine in fustration!

Will mail you now
107 months ago (permalink)

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pjbharrison says:

I'll post them in the morning
107 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

Got the springs, and now have two fully rotating clicking working winches!

Thanks again.

Took some pics of the deck as I start work on restoring it, will post soon.
107 months ago (permalink)

busy home [deleted] says:

Have you got the mast?
107 months ago (permalink)

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pjbharrison says:

Winches are no good without mast and sails!
Glad springs fitted though...
107 months ago (permalink)

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Slycat777 says:

No, still waiting for the courier to sort their act out :(

They are (understandably) trying to time it with the delivery of another boat to NI, and it hasnt been the best weather for towing boats, so giving them the benifit of the doubt for now.

Will ring to chase them up next week again.
107 months ago (permalink)

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