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Super Snoopy 050 says:

We are always told that we should have a back up for all essentials - 2 means of propulsion (sails and engine - or a sweep if you are a hard man!); two anchors; emergency lights etc., etc, but we only have one rudder. While I had an outboard in the well, I could persuede myself that could be used for steering if the rudder fell off, but now Snoopy has an inboard that option's gone.

I am concious of the fact that no maintenace has been done on the rudder in the last 12 years and possibly not since she was first launched. Does anyone have any experience of maintaining the rudder? From what I've seen from fellow club members at NUSC, the first thing you have to do is dig a big hole underneath the skeg to get the wretched thing off.
2:40AM, 17 November 2007 PDT (permalink)

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Skykomish E29 says:

Ummmmm is there any need to take it off? surely if there is no play in the bearings on the shaft is there a need to disturb them?. As far as i know the only maintenance needed is a routine shot of grease in the nipple on the casing ,

Thinking about it I can see that perhaps you may wish to inspect the shaft for impending failure.

once you have undone the fixing on the skeg could it not be drawn up through the housing ?
saves a lot of digging under the boat.
I think Ronald is the best person to experiment as GosKar is in the workshop and ideally placed to have her rudder serviced.....over to you Ron!!! as I am sure you know the answer to this..................
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busy home [deleted] says:

If it ant broke dont fix it!
No it cant be drawn up it s metal parts look like an upside down F
Ive not heard of anyone having probs with an Achilles rudder ,yes some other types did .The Hurley 20 used to break up when the mild steel ! bits rusted But if you dont have excessive play do not worry.
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Skykomish E29 says:

of course Ron i forgot that it is attached to the Rudder blade DOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!
As I remember it The Achilles has stainless rudder equipment?
And would I be right in thinkin that most rudder failures are usually at the joint within the blade so impending failure is not always obvious
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busy home [deleted] says:

Yes you can usually see cracking on the mould join when things aregoing wrong. I v mended two Hurley 20 s with the same faults
i e rust expanding and splitting the foam inside. Water gets in and thing delaminate.
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rothwell_neil says:

I am interested in this as I do have play in the rudder. I took the tiller off and the top is a square section. The rudder post just seems to be in a tube with no end bearing evident, thus the post is slack in the tube and thus has play. Any ideas what i should be looking at or for or is there always some play in this? The sail is 541 it is of the later generation and everything else seems to be standard.
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Skykomish E29 says:

I too have a little play in the tiller but it is not excessive and I believe that this is normal, to be honest I am not even sure where a new bearing can be sourced and perhaps this is something that needs researching before they all start failing.
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busy home [deleted] says:

Pump it full with grease and forget it !
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NormanKlipspringer is a group administrator NormanKlipspringer says:

Recently I remembered this conversation and thought I had better look for the greese nipple on Archimedes having never greased the rudder stock. I have found a metal lump which could be a corroded grease nipple but was half covered in glass fibre and had obviously never been used. This was located on the port side about half way down the stock in the lazerette. Is this correct before I strip anymore fibre glass off in order to remove? I think I will have to fit a new one if indeed this is the nipple. There is nothing else that could pass for it.
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busy home [deleted] says:

Yes that is the nipple athough Chilles and Goskars are at the back halfway down ,also semi covered in grp.
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NormanKlipspringer is a group administrator NormanKlipspringer says:

Thanks Ron, I will have a go at removal and replacement.
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Tocviria says:

Is that the same for the 840?Do I have a grease nipple too? Never searched for one in fact never knew they existed .I will have a look down there. Does any other A840 is around yet?
Antonio
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Skykomish E29 says:

No Antonio I think that you still hold the title of largest Achilles on here at the moment.
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NormanKlipspringer is a group administrator NormanKlipspringer says:

Had a go at nipple removal and failed. The nipple is badly corroded and even after using penertrating oil over night I still cannot shift. Any ideas?
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Skykomish E29 says:

what about some Acetone on it as if it is like mine it is covered with fibreglass resin, have to be careful though don't want to soften too much surrounding area.
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NormanKlipspringer is a group administrator NormanKlipspringer says:

I have cut away the grp so that is not the problem. The nipple part, what is left of it, is pointed and it difficult to get any sort of grip on it to undo it. I may try flattening it with a file and drilling a small hole so that I can try to get some grease into it.
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Skykomish E29 says:

MMMMMMMMm looks like you may have to drill it out and replace with a new one
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