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#111 - Helvetica

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mag3737 PRO 10:34pm, 19 July 2011
The current theme is Helvetica. "Weight" is not important, although I expect most of our examples will come from the middle range.

Here is an example page that should show you how Helvetica looks in your browser(it's broken), assuming the font is available on your system. I think I have it set up so that if you don't have Helvetica, it will show in a font with serifs -- so you'll definitely know it's wrong. But I can't tell if I got that right because I do have Helvetica!

Here are some more examples for comparison:



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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Bb
Eva the Weaver PRO 7 years ago
Not sure I can tell Helvetica from Arial...
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Unfortunately I don't think that b is Helvetica. You can tell in this case by the shape of the interior "hole" of the b. In Helvetica it's an oval; here it's got a flat side.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Holy crap, now that I'm looking at it, neither is my a!

I'm going to delete them both.

Gosh, I didn't mean for this to be that hard. :-/
Monceau PRO 7 years ago
You're right about it's being a tough alphabet! Very subtle differences.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Ok, I'm calming down a little now, and coming to believe that my original 'a' really is Helvetica:
a by mag3737


It's supported by the following reliable-looking sources that are about distinguishing Helvetica from Arial:
ragb.ag/post/187708731/arial-helvetica-on-friday-i-hosted...
www.ms-studio.com/articlesarialsid.html

What fooled me is what happens when Helvetica gets bold -- the little 'a' sort of loses its tail the bolder it gets.

I'm putting my 'a' back in the pool, and we can try again. But if this remains as hard as it has started out to be, we might just punt on this one and try something else.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
One more link about distinguishing Arial from Helvetica:
ilovetypography.com/2007/10/06/arial-versus-helvetica/
Eva the Weaver PRO 7 years ago
OK, clearly too hard for me. Wishing y'all the best of luck!
chrisinplymouth PRO 7 years ago
Not sure about my 'B' - delete if necessary.
Monceau PRO 7 years ago
e, unless my D does not pass party.
Monceau PRO 7 years ago
J j
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
I love all these "i hope this works" comments. :-)

Barbara, I'm afraid your lowercase 'i' isn't Helvetica. Helvetica lowercase i has a square/rectangular dot.
Monceau PRO 7 years ago
So, moving right along: J j
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
There we go (the i, I mean). I guess the Arial i also has a block for its dot, so there's no practical way to distinguish unless maybe you can tell from the actual ratio of the height to width of the letter and the dot itself, and I can tell you we are definitely not going there!
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Well, I found a good-looking j on my way home from work tonight, but when I got it home and looked at the letters around it, I decided it probably wasn't Helvetica. Turns out there are numerous fonts that are very close approximations of Helvetica. I'd not be at all surprised if we have some of those in the pool already, but on the other hand, if they're *that* close, it probably is OK anyway. I do think A-I looks pretty good already, don't you (all) agree?
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mag3737 PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 7 years ago
Btw, there is no need for us to get stuck on J:

www.google.com/search?q=jeep%20logo&tbm=isch

I'll find one tomorrow if nobody else does it first.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Dozens of very famous corporations use -- or allegedly use -- Helvetica in their logos (some in more stylized forms than others).

For all of these ones I was able to find confirmation directly from company information online:
- JCPenney
- Sears
- American Apparel
- Lufthansa (actually a proprietary custom designed typeface based on Helvetica)

Here are few where I tried but failed to find "official" information:

3M (website suggests they've made their own font for it, like Lufthansa, but doesn't confirm either way whether it's based on Helvetica), Crate&Barrel (the 'C' is not Helvetica, but supposedly the rest of it is), Tupperware.

Here are even more that I've seen claimed to be Helvetica but haven't tried to confirm for myself:

Toyota, Nestle, Microsoft, Kawasaki, BMW, American Airlines, AGFA, BASF, Bell Atlantic, Blaupunkt, BMW, British Gas, digital, evian, Mattel, Panasonic, Post-It, Scotch, Target, The North Face.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
All right, I found a Jeep.

Kk?
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Nn
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
I don't think your other 'O' is Helvetica, Barbara, but I think this one is.
O by Monceau
Monceau PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Monceau (member) 7 years ago
OK by me, mag. Nice of you to search my O stash for one that works.

Next is P, after the rogue R is removed.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Qq
Monceau PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Monceau (member) 7 years ago
R r At least, I hope so ;)
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mag3737 PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 7 years ago
V v

Here's a Helvetica V for reference. Notice the ever-so-slight taper of the sides as they come down and meet.

V by mag3737
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mag3737 PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 7 years ago
Getting late to the party now, but here's another full set of Helvetica uppercase letters for examples (Hi Leo!):
Boggle letters by Leo Reynolds
Leo Reynolds PRO 7 years ago
V added thanks to mag's help.

W w
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
I am greatly amused to notice -- only just today -- that my own company's logo is Helvetica. na.justsystems.com/ -- the "JustSystems" logo, not the more prominent "XMetaL" logo.

With the exception of the word "XMetaL", my entire business card is Helvetica.

Also all the informational signs around the office complex where we have our offices (five office towers), and at least three of the individual shops/retailers in our underground mini-mall.

If you start looking around, this font is all over the place.
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mag3737 PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 7 years ago
I'll be out of town this weekend and my internet access will be spotty. I'll return to being Helvetica Cop in earnest Sunday evening my time.
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mag3737 PRO 7 years ago
Maybe there won't be a need for that. All we need is a Z.

Speaking of Z, on my walk home from work tonight I kept my eye peeled for Helvetica, with Z specifically in mind (I knew I had X and Y already if needed). I didn't spot one, but look what I did find:

DSC_8427 by mag3737


Doh!!
Monceau PRO 7 years ago
Whew! Fini!
Leo Reynolds PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Leo Reynolds (member) 7 years ago
Phew is right. That made my brain hurt at times
Leo Reynolds PRO 7 years ago
We can't see "what I did find". I guess it's private.
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mag3737 PRO Posted 7 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 7 years ago
fixed.

yay for finishing!

now i really truly am heading out for my weekend. :)
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