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urbanmkr 3:45pm, 5 November 2006
Well I have a couple of ideas up my sleeve, but does anyone have any requests?
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Monceau PRO 12 years ago
No requests, but some ideas. How about metal, by color (that could go on for a while), rusty, with reflections, hand-drawn or hand-painted?
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urbanmkr 12 years ago
Yeah, I was thinking of metal for the next one, and have decided to go ahead with that. I like the idea of reflections (a favourite of mine). Also I thought of 3D, neon, rusty/peeling (decaying letters? could have faded as well), and of course stone, for all those cemetery lovers out there.
k.james PRO 12 years ago
Throwing a couple in there....consider them ideas rather than requests

The Transient Letter - One that usually on gets a brief moment in the spotlight --- updatable signs (like you see at churches), old-fashioned movie boards, diner menus on the wall, gas station signs, etc

The Non-conformist letter -- Ones that don't wanna be any particular mainstream font. They are individuals and are usually created by hand by small-time shopt owners, sign painters, graffiti kids, and the guy who makes the weekly grocery store posters.
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mag3737 PRO 12 years ago
More ideas-not-requests:

- Squircles (of course :-).

- Logos: The letter is the logo of a store, business, or other entity. Graphics and artwork are allowed, but the object letter must be the only letter in the logo (i.e., no cropping/framing out the "airy Queen" from a Dairy Queen sign).

eecummings: no capital letters allowed.
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mag3737 PRO 12 years ago
ooh, that sounds like a tough one. i could contribute a 3 and a 7. oh wait, those are digits. :-o
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Claudecf PRO Posted 12 years ago. Edited by Claudecf (member) 12 years ago
I have a few mosaic letters too... Also squircles...

There could also be letters on canvas, or neon letters,
duncan PRO 12 years ago
what about painted letters?
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or graffiti letters
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mag3737 PRO 12 years ago
negative space (could be a hard one):
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urbanmkr 12 years ago
Hmm, negative space would be a very interesting theme. At first I was thinking it would be very hard, but I guess it would include all kinds of cut-out (or even stencilled?) letters.
Claudecf PRO 12 years ago
or letters on canvas

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mag3737 PRO 12 years ago
another idea, inspired by the Tenuous Links group: each letter should be "connected" to its predecessor by some aspect of the photograph. go check out that pool to get a feel for what i'm talking about. (you can't get it from the thumbnails. browse the photos themselves and read the descriptions.)

if we do it, the only type of link i would prefer to avoid would be "both are uppercase" or "both are lowercase". that seems too easy or something.
Monceau PRO 12 years ago
Graffiti and hand-drawn might work well, urbanmakr. At some point, though it might be a challenge to complete, I'd like a textile alphabet: canvas, embroidery, etc. That alphabet would have a lot of texture. And then there's cemetery letters, a field a number of us harvest as frequently as possible.
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mag3737 PRO 12 years ago
there's about half a dozen theme ideas here that i'm eager to see. coincidentally i just shot about a dozen embroidered letters last night for an entirely different project.

not least among the ideas i'm waiting for is specific colours. perhaps to prevent getting bored in our group's old age by having colour after colour, we should start getting them out of the way occasionally interspersed among the other themes.
Rootytootoot PRO 11 years ago
how about in cement, a la street names in the sidewalk?
Rootytootoot PRO 11 years ago
maybe i'm going a little flickrmad, but i could have sworn i saw letters in the shadows of other things (tree branches, furniture) yesterday. maybe we could put that on the someday....list. i'm cool with blue, though.
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
Negative space might be interesting, with some challenges. Fabric with/without embroidery might work. Or another take on color might be a particular background color (purple? green?) with any color letter. Another kind of theme might be around a concept, like Spring. That could bring in colors, textures, and a variety of backgrounds. It would be "in the eye of the beholder," however.
Leo Reynolds PRO 11 years ago
White letters on a black background or Black letters on white background...no B&W photos.
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urbanmkr Posted 11 years ago. Edited by urbanmkr (admin) 11 years ago
Textile idea duly noted, I'm sure it would be lovely, we could get those crafty groups to knit their own letters.
I like the B&W/not B&W idea, especially if we made it harder: a black letter on a white background should be followed by a white letter on a black background, chess-board style.
I prefer not to do two 'colour' alphabets in a row, so I've started a tenuous links alphabet. Should be fun!
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
Textiles next I reckon!
Spring's a great idea, Monceau, but I'd rather wait a few months until we actually get some spring in Montréal so I can harvest fresh letters! It's not getting any warmer than -13C today...
Rootytootoot PRO 11 years ago
how about letters on skin (tattoos) for spring/summer?
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
great idea! maybe I can start haunting all my local tattoo parlours... there's loads of them round here.
Leo Reynolds PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Leo Reynolds (member) 11 years ago
Tattoos!!! I'm going to cheat and have a multi-colour/font alphabet tattooed on my back. Oh, hold on a minute! I won't be able to photograph them if they're on my back. Doh!
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
chest it is, then.
Leo Reynolds PRO 11 years ago
Doh! Runs and hides.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
the tattoos wouldn't run on your hide!
;-)

OK, you stone people, how about cemetery letters next? I don't have ANY cemetery letters, but some stone ones.
Rootytootoot PRO 11 years ago
do sidewalks count?
ratsal adsand 11 years ago
Oh, this will be good for my letters. I think they're all Dismal Alphabet sorts.
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
We need something colorful to follow the black & white alphabet and the cemetery/stone/cement one. Out of winter into spring!
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
yes, I think sidewalks count
we could always do a rainbow alphabet! i.e. red, orange, yellow, green, (light) blue, indigo (dark blue), violet consecutively ordered letters!
we'd get about three and a half rainbows in
or we could make it six colours (combine the blues) and get 4 and a bit rainbows
that would be colourful!
or we could do a traffic light alphabet: red, amber (yellow/orange), green
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
color seems a little bit subjective. we may have problems in a couple areas of the spectrum. but i'm game.

i like the way the current stone alphabet is looking. wish i had anything to contribute, but alas, not a single letter.
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
Or we could do a pink, yellow, or turquoise alphabet. (I'm thinking spring here.) Or a chalk alphabet, like menu signs and the like. At some point it would be neat to do another checkerboard, but with different colors: blue on white/white on blue; red black/black on red.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
I think a six-colour rainbow could work well - generally I prefer 7-colour rainbows, but it would reduce ambiguity re. blues, and it would give us four-and-a-bit rainbows.

I can imagine we might have problems getting, say, an orange Q!
ratsal adsand 11 years ago
I am amazed Monceau just happened to have a purple X lying around the house!
Leo Reynolds PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Leo Reynolds (member) 11 years ago
I haven't visited the tattoo parlour yet so how about mag's logo idea or perhaps it's time for another quick and fast single colour run. Have we done yellow?
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
the logo idea could take a while, if we go as strict as i originally intended it. but that actually works for me, since i'm on vacation and won't be able to really play on flickr for the rest of the month. i don't want y'all to have too much fun without me! ;-)

-mag from an internet cafe, many miles from home...
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
yeah, tattoos have to wait until my people in my neighbourhood start taking their clothes off again (it'll be a while, -10 today and still snow on the ground). I say let's do a quick spring riot (pink, yellow, turquoise, green, in any order) and then logos.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
Mag's strict logo idea was this:
- Logos: The letter is the logo of a store, business, or other entity. Graphics and artwork are allowed, but the object letter must be the only letter in the logo (i.e., no cropping/framing out the "airy Queen" from a Dairy Queen sign).
I think it shouldn't be so strict, otherwise we'll have a really hard time finishing - let's allow letters making up part of a recognisable logo.
Claudecf PRO 11 years ago
I'm not sure I understand what it's all about, but no doubt I will when you have posted a few letters ;)
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
Well I think the idea is that the letter should be part of a recognizable company typeface or logo - the Macdonalds 'M' being the iconic example, but you could also have the Burger King K of course!
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urbanmkr Posted 11 years ago. Edited by urbanmkr (admin) 11 years ago
I'm really stuck for ideas for the next one. Hows about the Transient Letter (see one of the first posts to this discussion)?
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
A variation of Transient Letter might be chalked letters.
Claudecf PRO 11 years ago
rusty alphabet? Or a crusty one?
Xurble 11 years ago
Given the general ban on 'interpreted letters' in the letter groups, we could just have a quick one off interpreted alphabet if people thought it would be doable.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
I like rusty and crusty. We could even have rusty, dusty and crusty. Nah, let's do rusty and crusty. Transient Y, anyone?
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
Rusty and crusty sounds good. For future alphabets, consider background color X, like yellow, and any color letter. Or vice versa.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
another new idea: macros. we could say "the letter in your photograph must be no more than 1cm in height/width (in real life)", although the real purpose is to see some of those close-up details that we love to see in macro photography. fibres, dust, pores, tiny imperfections, all that kind of stuff.
Xurble 11 years ago
I like Macro.

How about digital - fronts of CD players, VCRs, scrolling LEDs that kind of thing. Not 100% convinced there's enough variety out there though.
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
Have we done an alphabet in which each picture has a reflection? That could be interesting.

And following on our recent themes (transient letters and now rusty/crusty, how about letters that are disappearing? Could be letters painted on walls or streets, disintegrating, baarely there.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
We've done reflections.
I like the macro idea a lot.
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urbanmkr Posted 11 years ago. Edited by urbanmkr (admin) 11 years ago
I like Xurble's interpreted letter idea, what does everyone think? In the meantime, how about a sunshine alphabet. Spring arrived in Montreal yesterday - boy is is hard to work today.

Another idea - square format letters. Very useful for mosaic-making.

And another (it must be spring!) - distorted letters (stretched beyond their usual form, e.g. reflections in curvy things, clothes on a curvy person, whatever!).
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
i like those ideas. the distorted letters one seems hard, but i've thought that about other easy ones.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
here's another theme that occurred to me while mosaic-making today: seeing double. examples (not required to be squircles, that's just what i happen to have):
Jugo Juice bb KK
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
we are just about done with letters on bricks. does anybody else have a hankerin' for some colour? how about another coloured background, or maybe another checkerboard (different colours than the black and white we did before)?
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
I'm all for a colour one, or checkerboard one. Red and green? Blue and orange? Yellow and purple? (I'm thinking primary colours and their opposites here.) You choose, mag!
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mag3737 PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 11 years ago
ok, we should save red/green for christmas time. let's do a purple/yellow checkerboard. we would have a very hard time if we asked for yellow-on-purple and vice versa, so let's go by the background: we start with an A on a yellow background, then B on purple, and so on. (or we could start with purple.)
Claudecf PRO 11 years ago
Rusty alphabet?
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
we've done a rusty and crusty alphabet already
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
two more ideas that popped into my head yesterday:

1. outlined letters:
Yaletown Brewing Co.

2. BIG letters -- the letter in your photo must be at least 37in. tall in real life (not sure if these examples are quite big enough, but):
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mag3737 PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by mag3737 (admin) 11 years ago
THEMES WE HAVEN'T DONE YET

Here's a summary of all the theme ideas mentioned above that we have not done yet as of this writing. For fuller descriptions of some of them, read the above thread:

hand-painted *
the non-conformist letter
painted letters
tattoos (letters on skin)
chalk
digital
distorted letters
outlined letters
BIG letters

* we did "handwritten/graffiti", but we haven't had one that was specifically for painted letters yet.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
Hmm, I like the idea of BIG letters. 37 inches because of your favourite number, I presume? Which is about 92.5 cm for us metric types. That B isn't big enough, but the C certainly is.
Shall we do big ones next?
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
sounds good to me. i better get hunting. i know where there's a nice DOLCE on my way home (which prompted my idea), but i haven't photographed them yet.
Claudecf PRO 11 years ago
Mmmm... I wonder about those big letters... I crop practically all my letters and most of the time don't even remember where I took them, so how big were they? I wouldn't know...
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
this might end up being a hard one, but we've had a couple of very easy ones in a row now, after the dreaded shadow debacle. but claude, i think you get out and about enough that you should find some big letters out there in the world.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
(following a comment by Monceau elsewhere) how about "seeing spots" or ...well, i'm not sure what to call it, but i'm talking about letters that are made or heavily decorated with lots of dots, holes, or other tiny components.

these would definitely qualify:

Salt

i'm undecided about "composed" letters, but leaning towards YES:

P peanut j

but definitely NO to mosaics and stitching/embroidery. both of those have already had themes of their own.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
great idea, mag!
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
"Lonely Letters": letters that were out all by themselves in real life -- not part of a word, initials, etc. For example, think about the "G" you saw painted in the middle of the road for no apparent reason, or the "R" in the logo for Radio Shack, or that big "C" that guides you to the general vicinity of your vehicle in the expansive Megalo-mart parking lot.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
Backwards letters:
- shot from the other side of a window (or "freestanding" letter ;-)
- viewed in a reflection
- posted backwards on a marquee
- hand-painted on a not-entirely-literate sign
- and so on...
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
Angular letters (no curves)
Letters that don't have any curves, even for the supposedly curvy ones. Think digital displays.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
let's do that one. i had the same idea recently. but not *only* for digital displays (this time), right? we could still have a theme for digital displays sometime...
Rootytootoot PRO 11 years ago
did we miss tatoo letters, is this an option only for summer? it is summer somewhere....summer here is cold and foggy anyway.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
we haven't done tattoos yet. my gut tells me it's going to be too hard along the lines of some of my other disastrous theme selections. i am open to being convinced otherwise.
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
If we do the angular letters, could I go first with my carved-in-bark A?

A start?

Tattoos, well, one might fill a good deal of the alphabet with Hells Angels, Bandidos, Original Gangsters, Asir and Wolfpack - but I don't think I'm up to it.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
We can have an open thread for tattoo letters, like the backwards and shadow ones that are still open, and then give it a go when we have enough of the alphabet.
OK, angular time. And yes, you can go first Eva... if you get there quick enough!
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
Angular seems to be easy for us all - what next?
duncan PRO 11 years ago
I suggest the opposite, no straight lines, all curves. Easy for O and Q, but not T or H
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
this sounds much harder than angular letters has been.
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
Makes me think of embroidered monograms. The problem with monograms in general will be that there are usually more than one initial, all entangled. But we should be able to do this, I think. Might be time for a slower-movong theme, anyway.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
The non-conformist letter? the suggestion we had was "Ones that don't wanna be any particular mainstream font. They are individuals and are usually created by hand by small-time shopt owners, sign painters, graffiti kids, and the guy who makes the weekly grocery store posters." But we could also do letters that don't fit with their surrounding letters for some reason, e.g. they were put in the wrong way round.
Rootytootoot PRO 11 years ago
have we done 3-D, or the illusion of 3-D with outlines, letters that pop out at you in a forward way, or give that impression?
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
Yes, there's a 3-D in the Themed Alphbet Mosaics thread
cutesmallfuzzy 11 years ago
Found letters? (Random shapes that look like letters but weren't meant to be letters, I mean?)

I don't have any, but that might be an interesting thread or theme.
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
Found letters have been done under the name of Interpreted letters.

I don't think Missing letters have been done. They should have left some trace, like this number 8:

Missing 8
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
i love the missing letters idea (think i proposed it elsewhere). i am always worried about some of my ideas, though, including this one, because they seem to turn out to be too hard.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
then again, considering my comment above about curvy letters, what the heck do i know?
Eva the Weaver PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Eva the Weaver (member) 11 years ago
But you're right. I think the missing letters would be rather difficult. I do have a few, but not sure I could scrape together a full set. Might be time to have a difficult one, anyway.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
How about 26 firsts: Every letter image in the alphabet must have something fundamentally, intrinsically different about it that distinguishes it from all the other letters posted so far. When you add your letter to the alphabet, include a comment (either in the "next letter" thread, or on the letter itself) along the lines of:

"This is the first red letter"
"This is the first letter on a green background"
"This is the first letter carved in stone"
"This is the first letter made entirely out of fish scales"

For the most fun and creativity, the distinguishing characteristics should all be as different as possible. It won't be very interesting if all we do is "first red letter", "first blue letter", "first green letter" etc.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
For extra bonus points, you also have to make sure your letter is different from all the other "firsts" that have been used. So this would really be "26 uniques"... only one red letter in the whole alphabet (before and after the red one), only one letter made of fish scales, etc.
cutesmallfuzzy Posted 11 years ago. Edited by cutesmallfuzzy (member) 11 years ago
Man, I've been out of touch.

How about broken letters? Every letter has to have at least one gap in it where there technically should be a continuous line. For example:

A S D
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
bingo!
cutesmallfuzzy 11 years ago
More ideas for themes:

Cursive letters.
Wide letters - the letter has to be noticeably wider than it's tall.
Black background letters.
Glass letters.
Electronic display (not neon) letters.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
thanks cutesmallfuzzy! you're a star.
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
Have been looking at past themes and suggestions. The Spring Explosion made me think of Winter - which would currently in Gothenburg mean dark, gloomy and gothic. When I look through my letter folders I realize I haven't been shooting any like that - trying instead to capture what glows in the dark. Neon has already been had. Snow is usually later, here. Would be nice some time to have a winter theme of the sparkling snow and bright blue sky variety. For those who have difficulties finding snow there might be the blue-white or white-on-white option.

Actually, when I think about it, I think the idea of an "all firsts" alphabet could be appropriate for the first new them in the new year.
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
i would like that.

another "new year" theme: ring in the new year with brand new photos. a free-for-all with only one rule: every letter posted must be a photo that was taken in 2008.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
I like both the 'all firsts' and the 'new photos' ideas, we could do both, couldn't we?
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
well, we're the bosses after all. :-)
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
You mean an "all firsts" with only new photos?
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mag3737 PRO 11 years ago
i wouldn't think to combine them; i vote to do them both separately.
Monceau PRO 11 years ago
Those are good ideas to work with. For future alphabets, how about left-leaning or right-leaning letters? Another possibility, which may have come up before: absent letters, where some or all of a letter is missing, but *visible*.
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urbanmkr 11 years ago
I'd say separately too, one 'all firsts' and one 'new photos' alphabet. I like Monceau's left-leaning and right-leaning letters, too. And on the absent theme: it would be fun - if challenging - to do an alphabet of missing letters, where the photo is of a word or sign where the relevant letter is no longer there. e.g. Eva's 'izza' sign would be for P.
Happy New Year all!
Eva the Weaver PRO 11 years ago
I've got the missing P as well:

Missing P

Have been thinking of an "extra thin" to match the "extra wide" theme. Question is, what is an extra thin I?
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