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Wider World 7:10pm, 16 February 2008
This discussion thread is for members who would like to share with the group photos of un-named rivers - basically, it's a back door into the pool. So, if you have a photo of a British river you would like to share with the rest of us, perhaps to see if pool members can identify it, you are welcome to copy the photo into this thread. However, please don't add photos to the pool itself unless they are identified rivers.
Renaud Camus PRO Posted 11 years ago. Edited by Renaud Camus (member) 11 years ago
I have doubts about this one (which basically is juste a stream, granted) :

Ty Mawr Wybrant, birthplace of William Morgan (c. 1540-1604), Wybrant Valley, near Penmachno, Conwy : the Wybrnant Stream ?

Le Jour ni l'Heure : Ty Mawr Wybrnant, maison natale de William Morgan (c. 1540-1604) sur la rivière Wybrnant (?), dans le Conwy, Pays de Galles, jeudi 26 juillet 2007, 16:05:22


Ooops, sorry :

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Wider World 11 years ago
Here's a stream at Ford in Buckinghamshire looking for a name:


TO THE SEA
sue tortoise PRO 11 years ago
Renaud Camus, the word 'nant' is Welsh for a stream. It is the Wybrnant, and gives its name to the valley: Cwm Wybrnant.
electropod 11 years ago
Ty Mawr means "big house," I'm guessing, based on "Tigh mor" in Scots. So that's the BIG house?
sue tortoise PRO 11 years ago
Correct. It's a typical Welsh 'long house'. This is a farmhouse, and would have been the 'big house' to the farm workers and cottage dwellers.
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Wider World 11 years ago
Can anyone help with a name for this one, from antsplan?

Creag an Fheilidh
sue tortoise PRO 11 years ago
Looking at the largest OS map online (The grid reference is NG509655) it comes directly from Loch Mealt.
antsplan PRO 11 years ago
ahh thank you Sue - so does that mean it doesn't qualify for the group ?
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Wider World 11 years ago
This is an interesting question. I set up the pool, so I had a mental image at the beginning of what would go in it. However, the success of the pool - and I think this is a very successful pool - is entirely to do with the creativity and enthusiasm of the participants.

So what was the idea at the start? Well, two things. One was that it was to show identified rivers. There are many beautiful unidentified river photos in Flickr which always leave me with the unanswered question "but which river is it?"

The second idea, resulting from the first, was to do with the river names themselves, which are part of the interaction between humans and these rivers over thousands of years, So, I was quite keen to show the ways people interact with their river, crossings, fishing, swimming, play, industry, navigation, protective barrier, etc., not just idyllic landscape.

Well, you set a pool up and running, and then discover things don't quite work out the way you had anticipated. Broadly, however, it seems that people quite like the idea of a pool for identified British rivers. Early on the suggestion came to index the pool. I hope members find this useful, because it is quite a lot of work. The index of course excludes rivers without names.

Then there is the matter of streams too small to have names. To start with I was quite severe about these. In some cases a name can be found after consulting the right map, and members of the pool have been very conscientious about this.

However, over time I have come to the conclusion that, provided it is clear where a river is located, and there is information about what it flows into, etc, then the lack of a name should not be a bar from the pool. (Sue tortoise may wish to shout at me for admitting this!) Indeed, the lack of a name may tell us something about the river, as events such as the Black Death and the Highland Clearances mean that names have been lost. Indeed, the more I look at the discriptive Gaelic names, the more I suspect they are recent.

So, whilst I reckon we should stick with the initial idea of a pool for identified rivers, I concede that some identified rivers have no name, and it would be absurd not to include them.
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allybeag PRO 11 years ago
Just want to say that without the index the group just wouldn't work properly, so a big thank you for keeping it up to date. Isn't there an easier way of doing it, though? Anyone out there with computer skills that can figure out a quick and easy method for doing this, rather than using a spreadsheet?
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Wider World 11 years ago
The 1:2500 maps in the library show that Loch Mealt is fed by three burns, Lòn na Làrach and Lòn Buideil to the south, and Lòn Dubh to the west. The outflow from the loch is very short, perhaps 70 metres long, before the water is thrown over the cliff. The map provides no name for the river.
sue tortoise PRO 11 years ago
Relax, Wider World, I shall not shout at anyone.

Shall we 'go with the flow' and say that natural, located, and flowing water counts? ie an unnamed stream is okay it's going into something larger that is named, and if a clear location is given? A waterfall if it's flowing and natural and named? A (mainly) natural lake or loch with a (mainly) natural inflow and outflow is okay. But a man-made pond or a canal or a mill leat will not be okay, and neither will an oxbow lake, or other non-flowing water, even if natural. Photos in 'grey areas' can sneak in if they have interesting river/place/name info attached?

And the index is becoming a fine resource, so your hard work is very much appreciated.
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Wider World 11 years ago
This is a very fair summary, Sue. Thanks. There always will be the exceptions that prove the rule; the pool recently gained an artificial river, but I am taking the view that it is an interesting (and pleasing) anomaly. The rivers and drains of the Fens present quite a challenge.
antsplan PRO 11 years ago
So are we allowed Lochs ;-) You do realise how many we have in Scotland ? LOL

(and only one Lake by the way)

Thanks for the detailed reply.
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allybeag PRO 11 years ago
Scotland only has one lake, it's true, but interestingly enough, the Lake District only has one lake, too.
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