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Would you recommend the 400D?

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Ghost Note says:

I'm thinking about upgrading from the Canon S3 IS to an SLR and have been pretty much set on the 400D for a while.

I've read the on-line reviews but not from the user's perspective. Does anyone here have any after-thoughts, pros/cons to report?

I'd like to use it for portraits & band photography, mainly.

Thanks in advance,

Oren
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lentedorafa says:

Guess everyone here would recommend it, since we´ve bought it!

If you´re gonna use it to band photography you will need a f2,8 lens or wider.... Í have that in mind too, since I´m a guitar player as well, but still haven´t got the money to buy it.
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(pr) says:

I love it, but remeber: you can't go wrong. The Nikon D80 or Sony Alpha are also great cameras.
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~~Tone~~ says:

400D is an excellent camera but I think you'll want to upgrade to a 30/40D after a year of ownership.
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(pr) says:

I disagree Tony. I 'll keep using the 400D until it dies on me. The problem of photography is that you can ALWAYS upgrade your gear. It's not a hobby for people who tend to lack selfcontrol (unless you love to live on bread and water for the rest of your life).

Just accept that you are limited to the tools you own. (for instance, I don't own a tripod or a external flash, so I'll have to workaround those issues). It might take some creativity or some more noise, but I do have other passions, besides photography. Ce qu'on dit en francais: c'est la vie.
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fadetoblack2104 says:

For amature photography this camera is great for the price. The thing with pohtography is that as soon is you get the camera home it's out dated. The technology improves and changes so rapidly that most mortals could not afford to upgrade everytime a new model came out.

I also disagree Tony. The 30D and 400D use many of the same parts, same processor, same shutter, hell the only differences are size (30D is bigger), the 30D has spot meatering, and the 400D has a higher resoultion 10mp vs. 8mp.
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zippy run [deleted] says:

If you can afford a 30D, buy a 30D. If you can't quite afford a 30D or you would be pissed off by its size (it is pretty big in comparison) buy a 400D. Definitely a pretty damned good camera.

Just don't feel intimidated by the few snobs in the Canon DSLR group that will try to tell you the 400D is a rubbish consumer grade piece of trash. It actually does the job.
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ToeJam85 says:

If I was going through the impulse purchase madness that was my first step into any photography at all (I'd hardly touched a camera before buying my EOS) would I pick the 400d again?

Yes, having now had a go of a Nikon D80 and the Sony Alpha I'd still stick with the 400, sure the Sony has built in IS but it's not got the same lens range and the EOS has much better noise handling at higher ISO's than the Nikon so I'd most certainly not change my mind.

So yes, I would recommend the 400d
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*Hurricane Hilda* says:

Ghost Note Got the camera as I was on a budget. It's pretty good actually.

What makes a good photo is not really the equipment, but the photographer :o)

...oh yes. I can hear some people saying "No, it's Mamiya", heheheh!
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impossible instrument [deleted] says:

I have little to compare with, because I just made the transition from
a Fujifilm Point and Shoot ( E900) to my first DSRL (not counting the Minolta and Pentax SRLs I had years ago). I extensively researched
my options, up and down, and left to right, for several months before I settled on this camera. So far, going into my third month, I am very satisfied with my purchase. I feel that when the time comes that I am ready to take it a step further, I can always upgrade and add lenses. I chose as my learning and walk around lens the
Sigma DC 17-70 mm 2.8-4.5. No complaints so far.
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wetzel9 says:

Don't get me wrong, I missed the second dial when I "upgraded" to a 400D from an Elan II. But there aren't a whole lot of pictures that a D10/20/30/40 can take that a rebel with the same lens can't. Unless there's some feature you really want/need the 400D + grip is a great camera. I'd buy the cheaper body and get extra lens. IMHO
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acoustic creator [deleted] says:

invest a good lens then the body... 400d is very ok. .
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Seaside Photographer says:

I love the 400D and would highly advise someone to buy it.. if it feels good to them.... I'm using mine mostly for sports photography (horseshows)... and am giving it quite a workout... I'm already thinking about upgrading..

I spoke to the Canon rep, when he was visiting my local camera shop, the other day... he told me that the 40D is due to come out in the next month, using the same sensor as the XTi and the Mark III... and the price of the 30D will be dropping $200.00 ... I'm seriously considering the 40D.... more fps and other advantages..
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Mycroft1888 says:

I'm holding out for the 1Ds Mark III. ;-)
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rafnap says:

the xti does awesome work, but keep in mind it only does half. the lens you put on it does the other half. i got the xti and the 17-55 2.8 IS lens instead of 30d with a mediocre lens. i'm glad i did.
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shotmeshotyou says:

lol

I had my canon s3 for about 6 months before I purchased my canon 400D.
The canon s3 is a great camera and I still use it, however I do love my new 400D.

The only thing you will need to get use to is that the s3 uses the lcd to preview live what the image would look like. The 400D you'll need to actually take the shot before you know what it will look like, but for sure the s3 has taught me a lot about using the manual settings.

go for the 400D if your still after a fun camera. For anything more serious you might want to consider better models. 1D mark III maybe?
:)
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crazytallblond (中国) says:

very good camera. I use it and it works great. and I completely agree you can always upgrade your stuff but you might not need to until they get something better than a DSLR or until you need to do huge huge prints or something.
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Drennen says:

You know what else that S3 will be good for is the SUPER ZOOM shots, but only as long as you have a lot of light.

I have always had Canon cameras. I moved up from the S1 and the 800IS. Finally got the 400d when I wanted to take it to the next level. The big thing for me was I was so tired of all the noise in low light shots. Of course that is much less of a problem now, but many other things opened up as well that I didn't even know about or understand when I first decided to buy the 400d.

Awesome camera. Its PERFECT for a first DSLR (or your second or third)
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Ghost Note says:

Thanks for the help, everyone. You've been very helpful.
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pixability says:

www.flickr.com/cameras/canon/eos_digital_rebel_xti/

let the photos speak for themselves
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Ultimate fish says:

When you're buying an SLR you're buying into a system. So look at the range and cost of lenses, then decide if that manufacturer has a decent body. To be honest if you end up shooting raw the images you get from the Canon, Sony, Pentax and Nikon are all very close indeed.

Canon have some great lenses, there are some very good 3rd party options, and if you don't go for the EF-S lenses they'll work on full frame models if you choose to upgrade.

Personally I love the 400d. I've used Nikons and the new big Pentax (which is pretty good) and love my Canon. There's also a good upgrade path to better bodies.

All in all Canon offer a good SLR system that should keep you very happy.
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stale rose [deleted] says:

I'd buy the XTi again in a New York minute. (what the hell does that mean, anyway?) And, speaking of the S3 IS, I have a friend who shoots a 20D who just bought himself an S3 IS as a knock-around camera.
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xeno(x) says:

it's a sweetie , lov iT :-)
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plastereddragon says:

Love my XTi.
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salfordred says:

This is a very very good camera.... but make sure you can get a decent lens with it.... L glass if you can with IS.... then you are really on a winner.
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craighagan says:

The big thing you'll miss from the S3 is the long reach. I'd either augment the kit lens with a 70-300 IS, or buy a stabilized superzoom (e.g. the sigma 18-200 OS or an EF-S 28-135 IS). Yes, you can get substantially better glass for the 400D, but, remember that you're used to the S3 so you're going to see quite a bit better performance out the gate (minus stabilized glass). I

full auto modes will behave very much as you expect on the S3, with the control dial being nearly the same. Manual modes act similarly
however you'll find that they're easier to manipulate on the SLR and that the larger sensor works much better at higher iso speeds. Iso 1600 on the xt/xti often can look as good as or better than iso400 on most point and shoot grade sensors)

Last, depending upon your lens, you're going to start really noticing depth of field changes. Most small cameras tend to have such a large dof even when using a long zoom that you can't easily isolate a subject from the surroundings.
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Werner Wattenbergh says:

I have a S2iS and moved to the 400D/Xti and I use both cameras depending on what I want to shoot (or where).
I never missed the long range of the S2iS - I found out that I'm a wide-angle person more than a tele-person. What I do like is the picture quality of the 400D - the S2is ones are so noisy compaired to them.
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rafalweb (moved) says:

Love it, but you need to spend $$$ on good lenses to get the good quality output....but that's with any dSLR. As far as I'm concerned, it's a great cam at a great price....you can't beat it. As for the long reach, it depends on what you are shooting. I recently bought the 70-200 f4 L, and got lots of long reach with that.
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ezz_eddie says:

I traded my canon S-2 for my first SLR, I still love my S-2 and plan on using it at a baseball game this afternoon. My canon XTi is fun to play with but I haven't mastered it yet. Lots to learn I suggest a DVD on using the camera I bought one on e-bay and it helped me a lot.
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RobS.43 says:

I have both an XTi and S3...love them both.

I recommend keeping the S3 around (you mentioned 'upgrading' from it) once you've gotten your XTi. The S3 is an AWESOME camera for certain things, like macro, super macro and video. It's small size, long reach and use of common batteries still 'earn their keep' over in my camp.

One note on the XTi.....don't get the kit with the 18-55 lens; it just isn't up to standard. I was VERY disappointed in it, upon 1st use, when compared to the shots from my S3. That's saying a lot, given the class difference between these cameras.
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rafnap says:

another thing.

you can shoot in RAW!!!
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DarbiG says:

I have the XTI...and the S3....I started with the S3. All my shots are from either...I have a slew of band shots in my stream...and 95 percent of them are with my XTI... I had to use my Canon 50 mm f/1.8 or the 70-200 F/2.8 to get most of them. The other band shots are film or S3...check out my stream and if you have a question about a specific one, let me know.
I'm going to upgrade to a 30D (or the 40d if it comes out in the next few months) because I need a backup and I want to get one that feels a bit more professional as I'm getting deep into weddings etc.... But the XTI has been a pleasure...and I highly recommend it. The majority of my other photos are from it as well. :)
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brown rest [deleted] says:

I too started with the S3 IS and moved to the XTi, I am very happy with my camera.

Take time to get to know the XTi's settings and options, the first few batches of photos did not come out very well until I learnt how my camera works and developed a better post-processing flow- which you can read about on my profile.
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Andreas Helke says:

Canon reduced the list price of the 30D a lot. Currently it is only 20% more than the list price of a 400D in the german Canon pricelist. The 30D has a higher frame rate and a better body. Apart from that I don't know which is the better camera and they are indeed very similar - the same autofocus - same image processing soft and hardware in the camera and similar sensor performance.

One big advantage of the 30D is that you can use a replacement focusing screen optimized for manual focusing without loosing the focus LEDs.
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chausinho says:

Well, I owned a 400D since June 2nd,... already done 4000 shot (sorry can not stop my finger,.. lol) ,I buy it with the two kit lens 18-55 and 55-200.

And if I have to buy one DSLR camera today,... I will NOT buy the same,..... Will only buy the body and get one good lens,... any how as beginner kit lens are not so bad as some body said but they are also no so good as other lens,....

For example only compared with the cheaper prime 55 f1.8 thare is a big difference on sharpness,... with some other lens like L,.... difference will be great.
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