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manley.josh 6:11am, 1 September 2009
Canon 7D!!

Just announced. 18mp APS-C sensor, 8 FPS, Dual Digic 4 processors, 19 point AF, wireless flash control in the camera....


this makes me happy.

ps it does video, even though i don't want it.
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mb_wen 9 years ago
A Digital Level Gauge????? WHOA!
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FAIL!
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 9 years ago
The 40D already beats the 50D in High ISO noise, then they add a couple million more pixels to an already over stuffed 50D sensor? I like all the other features, but they need to stop cramming so many pixels into crop sensors and FF sensor cameras, sure this is what consumers want. They think the more pixels you have the better the pictures "the camera takes".
If this had been a full frame camera, it would have cleaned up over the 5D Mark II and definitely been the camera to have.
If they had kept the pixels down to 12mp or even 15mp it would have been a hell of a cropper.
It has awesome new features, I am just disappointed with the sensor.

Not pissing in anyone's cornflakes, but personally I am not excited over this camera.
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Best Buy must be on crack, $3999 for the body?
www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9491944&st=7D&...

And I thought $1699 was overpriced.
brandonransom 9 years ago
Still hasn't changed my planned upgrade path of 40D -> 5DmkII. Though I'll have to get new wide and macro glass, it'll be way worth it for the high ISO.
TwoOneoh! 9 years ago
Even with all of the features that this has, I still find it hard to believe that it could be priced higher than the 5D MKII, especially with a crop sensor, i would imagine the priciest thing they have done in production is the integration of the dual digic 4 processors.
TwoOneoh! Posted 9 years ago. Edited by TwoOneoh! (member) 9 years ago
Oops didn't see Shawn's post above. Wow after reading the specs on Canon's website, it sounds like the 7D is defintely a competitor to the K10, lots of similar features. The only thing really holding me back from the 7D is the sensor.
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JustinSinks 9 years ago
Damn, I had read it was full frame with 10mp. Now I'm not so excited. Would be nice to have onboard flash control though
TwoOneoh! Posted 9 years ago. Edited by TwoOneoh! (member) 9 years ago
good review:


Click here for Gizmodo Review

Excerpt from Gizmodo Review of the 7D

"The WFT-E5A wireless transmitter for the 7D sounds pretty excellent too: Wireless a/b/g allows you to connect up to 10 cameras ad hoc and remotely control them via smartphone. Also you can transfer photos to any DLNA device. And, finally, you can geotag via Bluetooth. Sadly, it's not coming 'til November and it's 700 bucks
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manley.josh Posted 9 years ago. Edited by manley.josh (admin) 9 years ago
the dual processors will help with the noise levels.



...that said, no way in hell it sells even 1 if its priced higher than the 5D II

my guess is that they price it at $1800-$2000
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Karl W. 9 years ago
It's priced at $1699 for the body and $1899 with a 28-135mm kit lens. I'm very tempted to buy it since I've been wanting a upgrade for some time and I wanted to get 1080p video feature also. Only thing that is holding me back is the 60d upgrade but that probably won't be until next year.

Should I go ahead and buy a 7D?
TwoOneoh! 9 years ago
I seriously doubt many of the new features that are implemented into 7D will be in the 60D, because they are not gonna want to pull sales away from the 7D. My guess is canon will put a feature into the 60D that the 7D doesnt have that way both cameras are equally appealing like a full frame sensor vs the APS-C.

My dilemma is between the 5DMKII and the 7D my biggest beef against the 5D is that it cannot use EF-S lenses, whereas the 7D being APS-C can use either, i'd like to have all of my glass work between two cameras for more flexibility.
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 9 years ago
Manley.Josh Pro User says: the dual processors will help with the noise levels.

Doubtful, since the sensor is what creates the noise.
There are samples out there already, like the one I linked to that show the noise.

the dual processors will help speed the processing up, basically helping shoot video and stills at 8fps.
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Karl W. 9 years ago
Awww... Shawn, why did you have to post the link of the 5d to 7d comparison. I really really hope it's a spoof. lol
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
I love watching you guys bicker over spending two thousand dollars on a camera that won't make your photography any better.

Jason
TwoOneoh! 9 years ago
we can hope.
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Karl W. 9 years ago
The live view would be really nice when doing super macros, you have to admit at least that.
Noreeyay 9 years ago
Pfft...I've got a clean Bell & Howell electric eye I am willing to start taking bids on.
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maxcaven 9 years ago
I don't see how the capability to increase your iso and to get images that you weren't able to shot before, won't make your photography any better. Some of the best images I have made where with my d40, but let's face it, it has it's limitations.

If I were a canon guy I would pick up mrk 2 in a heart beat, as much as I have drank the nikon cool-aid, I am not above switching for something that would allow me to do cooler stuff (full frame 1080p video). That photo/video fusion is really starting to catch on right now and I'm hoping that the rumored d700s is in fact real.
thats the D700X think October...
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maxcaven Posted 9 years ago. Edited by maxcaven (moderator) 9 years ago
The D700x is supposedly going to be more like the D3x (higher megapixels) and the D700s is going to be like D300s (video)

nikonrumors.com/2009/08/29/which-one-is-it-going-to-be-ni...
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
"I don't see how the capability to increase your iso and to get images that you weren't able to shot before, won't make your photography any better."

Really? Because except for a few edge cases, I strongly doubt it will many anyone's photography better.

It's easy to shift your focus away from photography and on to gear. Photography is hard and collecting gear is easy.

Jason
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Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Shawn Thompson - Lake Superior Photographer (admin) 9 years ago
I don't think shooting at High ISO's will make you a better photographer, but it will allow you to get shots that you couldn't otherwise get.

"Photography is hard and collecting gear is easy."
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
"I don't think shooting at High ISO's will make you a better photographer, but it will allow you to get shots that you couldn't otherwise get."

LIke when? Can you think of a non-contrived example?

It would, for example, make your long exposure stuff more convenient, but does one stop of ISO really allow you to make significantly different images, or (for you) would it simply be a matter of convenience?

Jason
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maxcaven 9 years ago
High ISO sure helps me in my wedding photography, last two weddings I have shot with the d700 were completely different as far as the ceremony and reception. Maybe your definition of 'better' is different than mine, but when I can deliver a sharper image with less noise to a client, I'd call that better.

The whole thing of 'better' is objective anyway.
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
"High ISO sure helps me in my wedding photography, last two weddings I have shot with the d700 were completely different as far as the ceremony and reception. Maybe your definition of 'better' is different than mine, but when I can deliver a sharper image with less noise to a client, I'd call that better."

My money is on that your clients, unless they are photophiles, don't give two damns about sharpness and noise. What they probably care about is composition and style.

So, yes, we do have different definitions of "better". For any two photos, the better image is the one with the most soul.

Jason
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maxcaven 9 years ago
You might be right, but I would rather not take the chance and give them a grainy blurry image, if I don't have too. The composition is the same, so are the other principles of photography. I just feel I can make better images. It's like a crayola box with 8 crayons versus the box of 64, if I have more choices why shouldn't I use them?
TwoOneoh! Posted 9 years ago. Edited by TwoOneoh! (member) 9 years ago
I'm with max on this one. Maybe the client doesn't care much about sharpness and noise, but when i'm delivering photos to them i'd feel alot more confident delivering a photo with a less noise than more. I think that composition and image quality are being confused here, the main reason for upgrading to a "better" camera should be based on providing "better" image quality not composition. I've attended weddings where people within the wedding party were photographers and i know that if i were shooting the wedding I wouldn't want to provide an image that was of poor quality regardless of how well the composition was. You can't assume that clients are always or even most of the time going to be satisfied on composition alone.
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HBRstudios Posted 9 years ago. Edited by HBRstudios (admin) 9 years ago
Jason, how many clients have paid you for your photography services? The LAST thing you want to do is give them even the hint that you are producing an inferior product. With that said, a person does not NEED a camera worth more than $1000 today unless you are going to make $$ using it.

Also, "better" might be replaced with "more options." A crappy image is still crappy even if it has low noise and is sharper.

And, this image would not have been possible on any other camera I have ever owned (film included) -- yes, the stars and the lighthouse would be easy to capture with a long exposure, but the moving beam from it would not have been captured were it not for iso 6400.
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manley.josh 9 years ago
HBR FTW...

Jason if you actually believed that you would have never bought another camera other than a holga. Canon and Nikon wouldn't have a need for their pro line cameras and lenses, and the photography industry as a whole would not be able to sell their $5000 cameras let alone their $30,000 ones.

that said, i do believe the end user(photog) does make the camera. Put a $6000 camera in Paris Hiltons hands and you would still come up with crap!! Sharp, good color, good contrast, properly exposed, crap.
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
"Jason, how many clients have paid you for your photography services?"

Passive-aggressive much? I'm not even sure how to respond to a comment like this, but I'm going to try anyway.

Brian has important insider information: I don't sell any of my work. This is probably because my photos are pretty much awful, or because I'm too lazy to try, but the reason why I don't sell my work doesn't matter. What does matter is that Brian can (fallaciously) use this information to make my opinions look invalid or at least poorly thought out.

So, let me try again.

Gear Acquisition Syndrome is the cancer photography. It is much easier to spend money on gear than it is to get good at taking photos. Photographers often treat buying a new piece of gear like as great of an accomplishment as taking a good photo. Because people can get the same social support for taking good pictures or buying stuff, many photographers end up turning down the wrong path and just becoming collectors.

When you're at work and you sneak some internet time on your computer, do you look at photos or do you look at gear?

Incidentally, after giving it some thought, I tend to think that Max's use case is pretty reasonable. Although I think he puts too much emphasis on "sharpness" (which I really believe is a non-factor to "normal" people), if www.flickr.com/photos/maxcaven/3857304638/ is any indication, he uses it well.

Jason
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
"Canon and Nikon wouldn't have a need for their pro line cameras and lenses, and the photography industry as a whole would not be able to sell their $5000 cameras let alone their $30,000 ones."

I strongly suspect that only fraction of high-end pro gear is purchased by pros; the rest is purchased by well-to-do users are trophies.

And I'm not saying that you shouldn't have nice gear. Buy nice gear once and be done with it for 5 or 10 years. You're collecting gear if you take 1500 exposures of your pets between upgrades, new lens purchases, etc.

Jason
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Hambone Lewinski Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Hambone Lewinski (admin) 9 years ago
Even better: Buy gear commensurate with your skill and commitment level. And don't brag about it.

Jason
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
In fact, I'm not even claiming that I'm immune. Anyone who visits my living room could tell you this. I just have different flavor of GAS.

Jason
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manley.josh 9 years ago
"And I'm not saying that you shouldn't have nice gear. Buy nice gear once and be done with it for 5 or 10 years. You're collecting gear if you take 1500 exposures of your pets between upgrades, new lens purchases, etc."

Do macro flower photography and lift bridge pictures count too? :)
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
@Josh

Amen.

Jason
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K. Praslowicz 9 years ago
I'm pretty sure that all flower macros created before the release of the 7D will need to be destroyed since the technical quality of those image will be so insufficient in comparison that people will uncontrolably vomit at the sight of them.
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manley.josh 9 years ago
@Jason

Don't you own a Leica?
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Hambone Lewinski 9 years ago
@Josh

No, I don't. Too pricy.

Jason
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JustinSinks 9 years ago
Jason: "Anyone who visits my living room could tell you this."

I seem to remember it spilling over into all parts of your house ;)
As for the rest of this nonsense, no comment.
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HBRstudios 9 years ago
Hear, hear, Justin!
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Akatzmarkphotography 9 years ago
Not impressed- go Nikon
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pH foto Posted 9 years ago. Edited by pH foto (moderator) 9 years ago
This form factor has captured my fancy, in concept anyway. Mmmm pancake lens. No word on maple syrup dispenser function.


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